NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #6

[x_files]

I think its strange how the CEO had no security. None.

Agreed.
The only way it would not be strange was if he rarely took security.

Was he planning on meeting with someone at a hotel nearby that morning? and did NOT want security to know about it. An affair? Meeting up with someone on a dating/hook-up app like Tinder/Grinder? Especially if he thought he could be fired for having an affair or dating a young man?
If he was seeing someone would the LE inform the public? What if this is a hook-up that went wrong?

Has anyone discussed this angle yet? Jealous lover's boyfriend? An escort's boyfriend?

 

[Inthedetails]

Agreed. If he did fly out of the US, he'd run into electronic security systems that might thwart him. If he used more low-tech escape tactics, going to Mexico makes the most sense initially, but from there, he'd have to go to much less tech-savvy places. But those places would be drastically poorer, and he sticks out. And at some point, he'd have to have accomplices to bankroll him, unless he pre-arranged some kind of banking setup for himself.

He may have put tremendous effort into committing a perfect crime, but may not have put as much effort into planning for his post-crime life. But he'll eventually be found.

He's got to be exhausted.

Maybe he doesn't care if he's caught.

jmo

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Agreed.
The only way it would not be strange was if he rarely took security.

Was he planning on meeting with someone at a hotel nearby that morning? and did NOT want security to know about it. An affair? Meeting up with someone on a dating/hook-up app like Tinder/Grinder? Especially if he thought he could be fired for having an affair or dating a young man?
If he was seeing someone would the LE inform the public? What if this is a hook-up that went wrong?

Has anyone discussed this angle yet? Jealous lover's boyfriend? An escort's boyfriend?

It’s just another piece that makes absolutely no sense. Geez….. I take that back. Maybe it is the perfect crime…. Being so obvious you don’t know where to look to find the truth.

 

[x_files]

You also can’t fly with a firearm.

You cannot carry them on the plane (USA) but can check them in baggage.

"You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted."

Transporting Firearms and Ammunition | Transportation Security Administration

www.tsa.gov

 

[Marantz4250b]

And for a B&T pistol of that type, this is accomplished by pulling and twisting on the very rear of the pistol. Not grabbing a slide and racking it. Which is what happened. The B&T doesn’t have a slide to rack. 100% not a B&T based on what we currently know.

JMO

Agreed.

If it was it would be an especially stupid choice because those guns are really rare (I've been shooting for knocking 40 years and hadn't heard of them until two days ago - although I do know of the Welrod) and are modern production so every one imported to the US legally will be registered with the ATF as is a silenced/suppressed/moderated gun. That would make it massively easier to find this guy as it means he either bought it so his name is recorded or got it via it being stolen. If the latter that hugely reduces the number of people who had it.

According to the Wiki link they've only been imported to the US since 2021. The numbers of these will be tiny.

Brügger & Thomet VP9 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Anyway, it wasn't one of those so the debate is academic.

 

[NuttMegg]

Agreed. If he did fly out of the US, he'd run into electronic security systems that might thwart him. If he used more low-tech escape tactics, going to Mexico makes the most sense initially, but from there, he'd have to go to much less tech-savvy places. But those places would be drastically poorer, and he sticks out. And at some point, he'd have to have accomplices to bankroll him, unless he pre-arranged some kind of banking setup for himself.

He may have put tremendous effort into committing a perfect crime, but may not have put as much effort into planning for his post-crime life. But he'll eventually be found.

He's got to be exhausted.

Yes, he would stick out throughout western hem. latin America, imo. But mainly the eyebrows. Those could be theatrically enhanced as many have pointed out. But anyway I am voting for dual passport, already safe from extradition, mid east, e europe.

 

[m00c0w]

NY is very restrictive, though. I can't see any airline allowing you to check in a pistol without demonstrating that your possession of it would be legal there.

As far as I’ve experienced, airlines aren’t in the business of telling you what guns you can bring where, just how they have to be secured to fly (and even then, they’re wrong sometimes). It’s very awkward having an argument with a counter agent with a gun on full display in an airport, let me tell you.

In any case, gun laws vary in each of the 50 states and it’s unreasonable to expect an agent at the baggage check counter to be familiar with the laws in each state. The burden is on you to make sure you’re not committing crimes.

All that being said, going through TSA requires a legitimate photo ID and many airports are rolling out facial recognition at security checkpoints as well. All a non-starter for traveling anonymously.

JMO

 

[GRT]

Luigi Mangione charged with murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO after arrest in Pennsylvania

Luigi Mangione faces a second-degree murder charge in New York in addition to counts including possession of a loaded firearm, possession of a forged instrument and criminal possession of a weapon.

abc7ny.com

<snipped & BBM>
NYPD diving crews will return to Central Park on Monday looking for any shred of evidence in the shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Police say they are still searching for the murder weapon and the e-bike the gunman used to make his getaway in the 50-year-old's murder.

Hmmm...I wonder if they think the bike is underwater.

That's a possibility, I suppose.

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Hmmm...I wonder if they think the bike is underwater.

That's a possibility, I suppose.

What would the bike tell us if they did find it?

 

[annpats]

It seems employees are disposable in their eyes

That's sad when even the ones at the top are too.

 

[x_files]

It’s just another piece that makes absolutely no sense. Geez….. I take that back. Maybe it is the perfect crime…. Being so obvious you don’t know where to look to find the truth.

Since we don’t have access to all the information or evidence that law enforcement and the FBI possess, we can only speculate. The issue is that multiple people might have had motives, including financial disputes, jealousy, or a desire to silence him to prevent whistleblowing or disclosures. Potential suspects include:

<modsnip - victims are not suspects>

1. Involvement in a DOJ investigation for insider trading
2. Unscrupulous business practices, such as using unreliable AI with a 90.0% failure rate to deny patients
3. Disgruntled UHC patients or customers who feel wronged

UnitedHealthcare Denies More Claims Than Other Insurers​

UnitedHealthcare Denies More Claims Than Other Insurers, Angering Patients

According to the most recent available data, the insurer refused an estimated one-third of claims submitted, prompting an outpouring of frustration after its CEO Brian Thompson was shot and killed this week.

www.forbes.com

A Year Before CEO Shooting, Lawsuit Alleged UHC Used AI to Deny Coverage​

A year before CEO shooting, lawsuit alleged UHC used AI to deny coverage

The lawsuit accuses UnitedHealthcare of using artificial intelligence to deny coverage to elderly patients.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Marantz4250b]

Hmmm...I wonder if they think the bike is underwater.

That's a possibility, I suppose.

And/or the gun.

 

[PuzzlinEvidence]

Police say they are still searching for the murder weapon and the e-bike the gunman used to make his getaway...

I'd guess he left the e-bike near where he got the cab, and it would promptly have been taken & used by someone else.

Somewhat related - I remember there was once a bank robber who would always steal his getaway cars. Afterwards he would ditch the car in a busy area, leaving it unlocked, keys in the ignition. By the time the cops would find these cars, they'd usually been used by other people and were forensically contaminated.

edited for accuracy

 

[justtrish]

Hmmm...I wonder if they think the bike is underwater.

That's a possibility, I suppose.

I thought he was on camera leaving the park on the bike?

 

[Marantz4250b]

What would the bike tell us if they did find it?

Make, model, colour, potential serial number. Lot's of things, I'd imagine.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I thought he was on camera leaving the park on the bike?

I'm sure it was mentioned that he left without the bike? Or maybe I'm thinking of the backpack?

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Make, model, colour, potential serial number. Lot's of things, I'd imagine.

I mean, maybe a serial number could tell you if it was stolen but only if it was registered. The other info feels moot to me.

 

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[NoSpoonFeeding]

Agreed.

If it was it would be an especially stupid choice because those guns are really rare (I've been shooting for knocking 40 years and hadn't heard of them until two days ago - although I do know of the Welrod) and are modern production so every one imported to the US legally will be registered with the ATF as is a silenced/suppressed/moderated gun. That would make it massively easier to find this guy as it means he either bought it so his name is recorded or got it via it being stolen. If the latter that hugely reduces the number of people who had it.

According to the Wiki link they've only been imported to the US since 2021. The numbers of these will be tiny.

Brügger & Thomet VP9 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Anyway, it wasn't one of those so the debate is academic.

Not really important, but there are some made in the USA, Miami

 

[Cryptic]

Does anyone know what time this meeting was supposed to start? Arriving at 6:45 am seems a bit early. Was BT there early because he was supposed to meet someone before the conference started?

Evidently, it is not unheard of for CEOs to arrive early at the conventions in order to have both business and light hearted private moments with other VIPs as they arrive.

As a result, he may of just been meeting in general and not meeting a specific individual per se. Then factor in that CEO types are probably habitually early for everything they do during their entire lives.