NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[TTF14]

May have sprained an ankle running around NYC after shooting a man. Convenient that a limp would appear now, in any case.

JMO

Convenient how? Why?

 

[MassGuy]

There are many people who think their insurance coverage is fine. Yes, there are horrible cases of denials, errors, expenses, confusion that are heartbreaking...but just as many people, if not more, use their insurance and it works.

jmo

Just jumping off of this:

I mean, I absolutely hate my health insurance company, and it would be entirely irrelevant to me if I was sitting on that jury. The question is, did this man shoot and kill BT? That's it. Cut and dry. Black and white.

This isn't some self defense case where a jury could go either way, something we've seen a lot in recent years.

This was a cold blooded murder of a father of two boys.

The internet is not real life, and what we're seeing is a very loud group of people who are seeking attention. Are some of them horrible enough people that they do believe what they are saying? Undoubtedly. But it's nowhere near the percentage of the population that it appears to be.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

There are many people who think their insurance coverage is fine. Yes, there are horrible cases of denials, errors, expenses, confusion that are heartbreaking...but just as many people, if not more, use their insurance and it works.

jmo

Of course, like anything else there are varied views. But Americans overwhelmingly view the US healthcare system negatively, so it will be up to the prosecution to try and weed those people out during voir dire. Selecting an unbiased jury for this case will, IMO, be more time-consuming in comparison to a ‘normal’ murder case without a political/ideological component.

ETA: This really only applies if the prosecution plans to address the motive for the murder, which they may or may not decide to address at trial.

 

[Marantz4250b]

There's no way I could work for the insurance companies either, too cold-hearted of a business.
Too bad we don't have laws to keep the companies from becoming corrupt.
The ones we do rarely curtail unethical behavior.

I do wonder as to why a few of the major billionaires haven't got together before now to create a bif not for profit health insurer as an alternative to the existing ones? I mean isn't Bill Gates busy trying to cure every disease imaginable in the poorer parts of the world, for instance?

 

[Chimera]

He just yelled something, I missed some of it but caught this "....an insult to the American people...experience..."

ETA - I believe he said “This is extremely unjust. This is an insult to the intelligence of the American people!”
Now I want to know what he is considering "unjust", is it his arrest for assassinating Brian Thompson ? What an ego.
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Bbm.
The bolded made me .
How dare they arrest him for murdering someone ?
In his apparently warped mind.
Who knows what LM's brain is thinking, though.
Omo.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Yes and no. It will be a murder trial, not an insurance industry trial.

I hope a local lawyer can let us know whether motive is even discussed during NY murder trials. If it's not necessary, I assume that all discussion about the insurance industry is off the table.

He manufactured a gun, stalked a stranger, shot the stranger in the back, ran away, hid, and started shaking when he got caught.

Very well said IMO @otto ….. appreciate that cogent summary.

And would add IIUC from last evening, on that latter statement…..it seems the alleged assailant / murder suspect’s pants or trousers were ‘wet’ in a booking photo taking recently? IMO that also fits right in with the acts of that last portion. MOO

 

[kamare]

Authorities have charged Luigi Mangione, 26, with murder in the shooting of Brian Thompson, the UnitedHealthcare chief executive who was killed in New York City last week.
Mangione was denied bail Tuesday and will remain in a state prison in Pennsylvania. His lawyer said he does not consent to being extradited to New York.


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https://wapo.st/41xHWUx

 

[m00c0w]

Convenient how? Why?

One might get the impression that he’s playing up his disability for the cameras. He didn’t seem to be limping around during his crime spree. Maybe the jail cot wasn’t great for his back.

JMO

 

[Luna20]

I think this is an unusual case because for once, many of us find sympathy for the cause but of course not the act. Disliking the healthcare insurance world does not equate to wanting all its employees dead. I also don’t deny that decisions made in their boardrooms end and shorten life for millions of people. Again, that doesn’t mean they should die!!! But I think this case is generating a lot of feeling because it’s so unusual we have a murderer that we can even a tiny bit relate to - usually murders are about money, or sex, or a psychopathic enjoyment of hurting people, all things the average member of society abhors and can’t understand.

This is different because whilst he may not have represented what was good and pure in society, we all valued BT because he was a human being - someone’s dad, friend, colleague - and place such value on human life that there is almost no circumstance in which it becomes acceptable. (Self defence/defence of a loved one in a live, unmediated scenario being the only situations most of us would ever get close to seriously harming another human, let alone threatening their life.

LM does not sound like a psychopath, we haven’t heard that he liked arson or hurting animals, was a loner, etc or those early psychopathies. But something has radicalised him and that radicalisation has led to the otherisation and dark devaluation of people like BT, enabling LM to -take a life- to send a message. It’s grotesque, and as many others point out, LM had a thousand ways to counteract this societal ill as he saw it. Why? Does he enjoy power over others? Does he consider other humans lesser? (I suspect so). Did drugs or hallucinations or whatever mean he saw these things happen in his imagination lowering his moral repugnance for them actually happening?

I just have no idea what turns someone into a killer imho.

Well said. He had no signs of this before he murdered BT. He may have had an easier life than most people but I don’t see that type of entitlement in his life prior so far.

He was disciplined in making decisions that were ethical and constructive in his life. I got that from his valedictorian speech. This is an unusual murder case based on what we often see.

Something happened and one thing is clear in my mind is that he has been radicalized. His aggression and choice of words today are that of a person who has been radicalized.

 

[acutename]

curious if LM actually had United Healthcare insurance at some point; if his spinal surgery played into this ... if he lost touch with reality during the recent past for some particular reason. You can be smart but still be unhinged IMO. Also why this particular victim? Why not anyone else?

 

[arielilane]

@jonahowenlamb

For a deep dive into what Luigi Mangione was up to over the past year, read this:

Piecing together Luigi Mangione’s lost year

Earlier this year, Luigi Mangione disengaged. His mother filed a missing person report and friends pleaded with him to return their messages.

www.thebaltimorebanner.com

12/10/2024

 

[otto]

Motive is not necessary to prove, but juries like to hear if there is one.

jmo

If motive is not required for murder trial in NY, then it will not be mentioned. Evidence of premeditated murder will be restricted to relevant facts. The suspect can take the stand, but he will not be allowed to present a lecture about his confused ideologies. He can tell that story during sentencing.

If true, that means that the shooter knows so little about the law that he assumes he can commit murder to put the insurance industry on trial. Sounds like a stupid plan.

 

[Inthedetails]

Just jumping off of this:

I mean, I absolutely hate my health insurance company, and it would be entirely irrelevant to me if I was sitting on that jury. The question is, did this man shoot and kill BT? That's it. Cut and dry. Black and white.

This isn't some self defense case where a jury could go either way, something we've seen a lot in recent years.

This was a cold blooded murder of a father of two boys.

The internet is not real life, and what we're seeing is a very loud group of people who are seeking attention. Are some of them horrible enough people that they do believe what they are saying? Undoubtedly. But it's nowhere near the percentage of the population that it appears to be.

100% agree.

jmo

 

[Marantz4250b]

In an interview one of the McDonald's customers who saw him stated that he had been in the area for 2 or more days. So, if true, I'm guessing the bus was long gone.

So, it's looking like he wasn't simply recognised when he showed up and ordered food. They'd probably seen him several times and started thinking he may be the guy who shot the guy on NY.

 

[krikken]

Someone just asked me (IRL) why the Starbucks photos look different, the lack of visible eyebrows specifically. Is this just a trick of low resolution and angle? Were moving images from those cameras ever released publicly?

 

[jimg77]

DBM, Found the answer to my question.

 

[Cryptic]

Have you seen his legs? To me, his lower body looks painfully thin as if he cannot exercise that part because of his physical health conditions. I noticed some sort of limp in the video outside the court in Altoona today too. This is not the physique of an athlete but of someone who is not in full control of his body movements/functions. Jmoo.

I saw the shirtless photo with "wash board" abdominal muscles.

 

[RobSA]

If Luigi had shown the police his real ID, what would have happened? Would they have the ability to search his things? What if he didn’t have the gun, the fake IDs, the manifesto? Do they just say “thank you for your cooperation, you can go now”?

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

I saw the shirtless photo with "wash board" abdominal muscles.

This is common in young people (and well, people of all ages) who can only exercise one part of their bodies. They tend to exercise, with weights, the part of the body that is most functional. Now, that decision of renting an e-bike, after seeing his legs, makes sense. He would not have been able to use a non-electric bike for extended periods of time.

 

[ilovewings]

Thinking it thru, if he doesn’t “take the stand” then there will not be much detail about his views. The prosecution will be he was here, there, dna and shot & killed.

If he does take the stand, then questioning him about his motive isn’t very productive because under the law, it’s still murder. There no threat, etc.
Think of the questions might be posed to elicit sympathy and a not guilty. There’s no logic. Jury needs a story - I killed him because Medical Insurance denies claims and people suffer?

Will jurors say, hell My claim was denied ! Let this killer go fre

Once, I was selected for jury duty in San Jose, CA, heart of the Silicon Valley. It was a civil trial between an electronics company and a real estate company. It took 2 1/2 days to select the jury, because at first, the attorneys were dismissing everyone who worked in electronics or real estate. LOL. So many of us worked in electronics! I can't imagine how long it will take to select a jury if the attorneys use frustration with a health insurance company for their voir dire!

The prosecution should consider selecting older people who have Medicare ..I dont
Hear many complaints about Medicare---