NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[OneLove]

That’s a very standard move that all or almost all police departments teach. It’s a simple pressure point technique (there are multiple) that can quickly gain compliance and establish control of a situation before it escalates.

It hurts, but it’s temporary.

And it can also be used to elicit a "mad dog killer" expression on a perp's face for the benefit of the cameras.

 

[Parsnip]

I'd like to read it too and am quite skeptical about a McDonald's customer having this degree of intelligence on the situation.

Makes more sense that LM was travelling by bus, not hanging out in that PA town.

@10ofRods , why would a McDonald’s customer not have this degree of intelligence on the situation?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

To me, no two of his pictures since the shooting look like the same person.

I realize that none of them were taken under ideal conditions. And I'm not doubting they are the same person.

I just think it's interesting how different he looks in the various photos.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Well, I have questions. It was my understanding that LM was on a bus that stopped at the McDonald's for a break.
But if the McDonald's local is saying he'd been in the area for a couple of days?

Where was he living?
How was he getting around?

 

[OneLove]

Can someone provide clarity to me on the manifesto that is circulating. Is it LM’s actual manifesto or is a narrated for a public snippet of what the actual manifesto is?

MOO.. I cannot remember LE releasing any other killers manifesto so quickly to the public in full like this. Pieces and parts for discussion yes, but the actual entire manifesto in 24 hours of arrest? To me that seems off. Could be wrong here.

MOO.. The manifesto circulating has a few grammatical errors (not many) but enough to raise the question as to if this copy circulating is re-written and not the original by LM or if LM mental status at the time shows in what appears to be a rushed and or manic limited explanation/message for the crime.

For someone who likes to write and does that well and in his spare time apparently read manifestos of others and is intelligent enough to have written a much more elaborate manifesto, with every thought and reason behind it… I guess I am just surprised it is only 3 pages and appears to have been written in a hurry and or too short and sweet to the point. I just find this contradicting to what I’d have expected from LM. I’d assume LE would have expected more as well. Especially from someone who clearly spent months planning this murder. Had plenty of time to write a lengthy Manifesto. The thought he wouldn’t have done this more before hand in a more grandiose - lengthy manner is puzzling. It is also strange because if this was written after the murder…most who write a manifesto write it before committing the act of violence / crime and it is usually much longer with a lot more rambling and ideology justifying why they did what they did.

This appears to me that it may have been written after….(I could be wrong just my observation) or at the very least rushed and in the midst of a clear mental breakdown.

I would also consider this more of a confession note, less of a manifesto.

JMO

Yes, this raised questions very quickly. The style of writing in the 2nd piece published online after the arrest, not by le, seems much more in line with LM's long well documented history of writing and muchbmore detailed in connecting his actions directly to UHC.

 

[10ofRods]

Murder is never never the answer. A killer just moves on to the next issue / circumstance in their own life. Carrying blame on others.

Condolences to Brian Thompson's family, friends, coworkers and neighbors. All those effected by this tragedy.

jmo moo

I agree - and that means warfare is equally unjustified, as that is what war is. Murder of people. It perpetuates itself as well.

We are all affected by this tragedy, IMO. Many of us have lost people to violence. The facts of this case are different from what I usually follow here on WS. The victim was not random, for example. It's something to think about.

IMO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

His mom stated she hadn’t spoke to LM since July. I have a hard time believing he was financially self sufficient and they couldn’t track him down or hire someone who could. I think his cheese slid off his cracker before his surgery we just haven’t heard about it yet.

 

[EBW321]

Yes, this raised questions very quickly. The style of writing in the 2nd piece published online after the arrest, not by le, seems much more in line with LM's long well documented history of writing and muchbmore detailed in connecting his actions directly to UHC.

Thank you! I will look for that one.

 

[Friday Fan]

How did his back injury occur? Do we know? It wasn't due to surfing because he had the problem when he moved in with roommates in HI (per his former roommate).

jmo

If he has spondy (ugh) can't spell the full word, so lots of people just call it "spondy".
It's an ongoing instability vertebral slippage issue. It would have been there before the surfing incident, but surfing incident could have caused it to the point where surgery would have been needed or recommended. It can also exist with minimal symptoms or without any. All of this is MOO....But if he has spondy this is how it seems to work....

I'm not saying he has it, but others have alluded to it. It's also one of the more common conditions in teens and young adults.

Spondylolysis and Spondylolisthesis - OrthoInfo - AAOS

Spondylolysis (spon-dee-low-lye-sis) and spondylolisthesis (spon-dee-low-lis-thee-sis) are common causes of low back pain in children and adolescents who participate in sports that involve repeated stress on the lower back—such as gymnastics, football, and weight lifting.

orthoinfo.aaos.org

 

[10ofRods]

That’s a very standard move that all or almost all police departments teach. It’s a simple pressure point technique (there are multiple) that can quickly gain compliance and establish control of a situation before it escalates.

It hurts, but it’s temporary.

Yep, and it plays a certain way when captured on camera (especially during a court proceeding).

This perp is going to be very difficult to manage, at least, initially. And there's press there.

IMO

 

[NottaYutz]

Thank you! I will look for that one.

When you find it, please post a link. Thanks in advance.

 

[Arkay]

'Wasn't he also grabbed (hard) by the neck?

Isn't that what illicited the face? I only ask because I'm getting questions from students and people who live abroad. They want to know if that neck-clench is common in US courts (it isn't). This is not how the civilized world treats suspects.

That one shot, of him being neck-wrestled is not enough for me to think that this is an alter-ego. It ought not to have happened (and he ought not to have shouted - but he did, as many , many criminal defendants do).

What I see in that face is a man in pain.

IMO.

Sorry, 10, I disagree.

He emerged from the police car already enraged, shouting and struggling against the police. When you watch the video the pinch lasts for a second or two, as a momentary restraint so they could continue bringing him into the building.

Immediately after they release the momentary hold on his neck, he is still shouting and making his grandiose pronouncements, able to easily twist his neck to continue yelling.

JMO from watching that clip numerous times.

 

[KMouse]

I want to read the missing person report his Mother made or even better yet...hear her call to the police to report her son missing. What was going on in November? When was the last time LM was seen by a friend or family member. Where has he been living? We haven't heard anything about a search warrant for his residence. Was he employed?
I think he may have the start of schizophrenia. He's a male who is at 'that age'. If he was self medicating that could have been a catalyst.

 

[caradana]

Can someone provide clarity to me on the manifesto that is circulating. Is it LM’s actual manifesto or is a narrated for a public snippet of what the actual manifesto is?

MOO.. I cannot remember LE releasing any other killers manifesto so quickly to the public in full like this. Pieces and parts for discussion yes, but the actual entire manifesto in 24 hours of arrest? To me that seems off. Could be wrong here.

MOO.. The manifesto circulating has a few grammatical errors (not many) but enough to raise the question as to if this copy circulating is re-written and not the original by LM or if LM mental status at the time shows in what appears to be a rushed and or manic limited explanation/message for the crime.

For someone who likes to write and does that well and in his spare time apparently read manifestos of others and is intelligent enough to have written a much more elaborate manifesto, with every thought and reason behind it… I guess I am just surprised it is only 3 pages and appears to have been written in a hurry and or too short and sweet to the point. I just find this contradicting to what I’d have expected from LM. I’d assume LE would have expected more as well. Especially from someone who clearly spent months planning this murder. Had plenty of time to write a lengthy Manifesto. The thought he wouldn’t have done this more before hand in a more grandiose - lengthy manner is puzzling. It is also strange because if this was written after the murder…most who write a manifesto write it before committing the act of violence / crime and it is usually much longer with a lot more rambling and ideology justifying why they did what they did.

This appears to me that it may have been written after….(I could be wrong just my observation) or at the very least rushed and in the midst of a clear mental breakdown.

I would also consider this more of a confession note, less of a manifesto.

JMO

It reads like an engineer’s manifesto. Full disclosure: I’m Princeton engineering, with easily 20 close friends since childhood involved with Penn engineering. My texts have lit up like Christmas lights since Altoona. The analogy: Ted K was Harvard physics, where you say in 30 pages what could be said in layperson speak in 3 paragraphs. That is the way of the physicist. Engineers are the reverse, sparing text, not a lot of emotive exploration, there’s an analytical detachment and a declarative fierceness. That substack reads to many as an engineer’s manifesto. Practical, not theoretical.

There’s also the fact that it launched on Substack. That’s the platform to expect for a guy like this, and it has timing of future posts. He had the laptop open at McDs. What was he doing?

Could be fake. Jury is out, metaphorically. But if it’s a fake, it’s like one of those lab grown diamonds … indistinguishable to the jewelers who are supposed to assign worth.

 

[TTF14]

His lawyer is a frequent legal commentator on CNN.

Thank you. I don't watch CNN so I was unaware.

 

[MassGuy]

Yep, and it plays a certain way when captured on camera (especially during a court proceeding).

This perp is going to be very difficult to manage, at least, initially. And there's press there.

IMO

His lawyer said that he told him to shut up, and I guess he was a completely different person in court. He also exited calmly, without making a stir.

I imagine this won’t be happening again.

That outburst was pretty incredible though. Lots of images of him sneering in the direction of the press, and that was well before the deputies got hold of him.

 

[m00c0w]

There is no "proof" that anything released to date is or is not authentic. Trial should be interesting. In mitigation, both UHC & LM will deny/confirm what they choose & evidence will be presented. If the Maglione family produces solid evidence that her diagnosis & timeline of events involving treatment, unneccesay delays causing renewed deductible periods (common insurance ploys utilized to increase profit margins), etc, & proof that he was with his mom during these time periods, if there are witnesses to her intractable suffering, etc, then we can at least say that *yes*, his actions are directly linked to UHC policies, even if inexcusable.

I also have zero doubt whatsoever that this highly trained experienced tech engineer would know how to set things up to have an explanation of his actions made public after his arrest. I'm equally confident that UHC would use every means at their disposal to suppress any and all damaging information to the fullest extent of their abilities.

That’s a pretty verbose way to say it hasn’t been verified or validated, and there is no proof it’s his.

This is literally a random essay on a random substack published after he was arrested that doesn’t align with known facts about him. Everyone is free to believe what they want, but I try to avoid falling for fraudulent information as much as possible.

JMO

 

[TTF14]

It reads like an engineer’s manifesto. Full disclosure: I’m Princeton engineering, with easily 20 close friends since childhood involved with Penn engineering. My texts have lit up like Christmas lights since Altoona. The analogy: Ted K was Harvard physics, where you say in 30 pages what could be said in layperson speak in 3 paragraphs. That is the way of the physicist. Engineers are the reverse, sparing text, not a lot of emotive exploration, there’s an analytical detachment and a declarative fierceness. That substack reads to many as an engineer’s manifesto. Practical, not theoretical.

There’s also the fact that it launched on Substack. That’s the platform to expect for a guy like this, and it has timing of future posts. He had the laptop open at McDs. What was he doing?

Could be fake. Jury is out, metaphorically. But if it’s a fake, it’s like one of those lab grown diamonds … indistinguishable to the jewelers who are supposed to assign worth.

For those among us unaware, what is Substack?

 

[m00c0w]

@10ofRods , why would a McDonald’s customer not have this degree of intelligence on the situation?

I think they mean intelligence as in information relating to the crime/situation.

 

[VAres67]

His mom stated she hadn’t spoke to LM since July. I have a hard time believing he was financially self sufficient and they couldn’t track him down or hire someone who could. I think his cheese slid off his cracker before his surgery we just haven’t heard about it yet.

Why is the financial independence hard to believe? I’ve seen mixed reports (data analyst or software engineer) on his current/previous (not sure the status) job, but both usually pay very well. If he was getting San Francisco pay, it was likely top tier. A young person with very limited bills and a well paying job likely wouldn’t have to live paycheck to paycheck.

But I agree - idk why his family didn’t try harder to track him down, but I also haven’t seen any specifics such as what is normal for their family.