NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

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I am now curious about LM posting on social media forums having to do with visual snow.

Hmmm.
If I’m not mistaken, I also recall a post where he talks about frustration and continuing issues with “brain fog” where he is unable to concentrate leading him to feel unproductive. I think he attributed the brain fog to his spinal injury.
 
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I like to understand these guys, as many times you can see acts of violence coming from a mile away. It doesn't just come out of nowhere; there are signs.

This guy is different from every other killer I've ever followed. Incredibly bright, well educated, well off financially, very well liked, seemingly a great family life, and appears to have had a wide circle of friends. Other than that review about the Unabomber, there's really nothing concerning there.

He didn't just lose his temper and kill someone, and he didn't suddenly go crazy and do what killers like that do.

There appears to have been a rapid decline mentally (inference based on concern from family and friends about his whereabouts), but it didn't affect him to the point that he wasn't able to carry out a crime that was unprecedented in its planning and execution.

That confuses the hell out of me, and I have so many questions I want answered.
I wonder if he could not take losing that job and feeling physically weak. A lot of people lose jobs- esp.early in life and many people develop physical problems, but he went from healthy and gainfully employed to unemployed and in bad shape and he was young. I am thinking of athletes who get injured and their career is destroyed. Maybe he felt like that even though from the outside, he still seems to us to have had a lot going for him, maybe it made him feel like a big loser.
 
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Another stellar analysis from @MassGuy … I think he’ll eventually say if it’s his, one way or the other. I will say that Substack’s timed release algo is very easy to use.
It's just something was was so easy to fake, and it conveniently fit with a bunch of theories that had already been floating around online. This family is super wealthy, and his mom has no known health problems. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

Today's reporting is that they are investigating whether his back surgery had something to do with that insurance company, and that theory just wouldn't be out there if this stuff about his mom was true. That would be the obvious trail to follow instead.
 
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I don’t understand why NYC has not charged him with first degree under the grounds of domestic terrorism

“The U.S Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”

He is surely by killing BT intimidating healthcare execs to change course on policy
I wonder if the feds are looking at some possible charges along these and/or other lines and will, at some point, add their charges to the mix. In other cases we have had here on WS, the feds have let the state charges go first and only moved forward with their federal charges if needed, i.e. if the state charges failed. No matter how, whether at the state or federal levels, they are going to get this guy and lock him away for most of the rest of his life, if not all of it. If he survives that long. He doesn't strike me as someone who will do well in the prison population.
 
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Has LM’s work history been posted? I’m of the belief that although he is academically brilliant, there was difficulty acclimating to a workplace environment.
Yes, posted his LinkedIn resume earlier. MSM has also posted some of the same.
 
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Wondering if LM's atty. took this case pro bono as a career move (high profile); or if he was hired by family ?
Omo.
The attorney won't say, when asked by the media. He does say that he is willing to stay on as LM's attorney for the case in New York, however, if asked. He says he has bonded already with LM.
 
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It's just something was was so easy to fake, and it conveniently fit with a bunch of theories that had already been floating around online. This family is super wealthy, and his mom has no known health problems. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

Today's reporting is that they are investigating whether his back surgery had something to do with that insurance company, and that theory just wouldn't be out there if this stuff about his mom was true. That would be the obvious trail to follow instead.

Wow - really? The mom's health problems are made up? I'm partly surprised and partly...not surprised at all.

I wouldn't call them "super wealthy" at all (they aren't in the top 20 in Maryland). I think this is a family that wanted to act as if it was super wealthy, but Grandpa M. had 10 kids and 37 grandkids and only one of the ten seems to be even wealthy. The others are just upper middle class/well off. I think LM's own parents were and are struggling to appear rich.

I can't wait to see what happens with the breadcrumbs about his mom's illness. If she never had need for surgery or extensive healthcare, then, well, LM and family live in bizarro land.

I realize this is DM, but it's also on a lot of other sources (his mom's neuropathy - which can be super painful):


If they are neither super wealthy nor in super pain, I don't know what to say.

jmo
 
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Wow - really? The mom's health problems are made up? I'm partly surprised and partly...not surprised at all.

I wouldn't call them "super wealthy" at all (they aren't in the top 20 in Maryland). I think this is a family that wanted to act as if it was super wealthy, but Grandpa M. had 10 kids and 37 grandkids and only one of the ten seems to be even wealthy. The others are just upper middle class/well off. I think LM's own parents were and are struggling to appear rich.

I can't wait to see what happens with the breadcrumbs about his mom's illness. If she never had need for surgery or extensive healthcare, then, well, LM and family live in bizarro land.

I realize this is DM, but it's also on a lot of other sources (his mom's neuropathy - which can be super painful):


If they are neither super wealthy nor in super pain, I don't know what to say.

jmo
Yeah, DM is citing that same dubious substack “manifesto.”

No reports on this from any of the major outlets covering this (CNN, ABC, NYT, WSJ, NBC, CBS, WaPo, NY Post, etc).

They report all that, then close with this:

But speaking to DailyMail.com Lauren Matthias said: 'We haven't been able to verify the document.

The lines don't match those reported to have come from the handwritten manifesto found in his backpack, so if it is genuine it's clearly another document.'

It has not previously been reported that Mangione's mother is suffering any ill health and DailyMail.com has not been able to verify that, but Mangione's own struggles with spinal injury have been documented.
 
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IKR?

I think that's part of what MassGuy and I have been saying. This is why most courts have a way of getting the perp to court without this kind of media coverage.

It'll happen. It's probably a reason he's fighting extradition, as well - he wants a few more of these opportunities.

If he can get more evidence of being pinched at the neck by police, that just makes him sympathetic to many viewers who believe police are overstepping.

The solution is to make sure things are done more calmly, and without press cameras on the perp. That's why more and more trials are not televised nor do they allow sound recording and increasingly, not even typed note-taking.

This is where we're at - and this guy is a total wild card. I predict that others will learn from his case. He's going to cost New York a lot of money during his trial - he already is.

IMO.
I'm married to a military police officer so I think my view on LE is biased, but it also means I also have first hand understanding of how some of these situations go. I do understand why they use these pressure points or other methods to gain control with as low risk as possible of injury to themselves or the person. If he was able to break free or pull an officer down, then what happens? What if he was able to flail around enough to injure a reporter or bystander? Police officers don't want to hurt anyone in the course of their day, but they often are put in situations where they have to make choices on short notice to protect themselves, innocent civilians, and the person they are dealing with. Putting pressure on a pressure point to gain compliance is much better than other options. Sometimes I think people just wish to find fault with everyone and everything other than the actual person they should be finding fault with. A man killed someone and people online are concerned about an officer putting pressure on his neck to get him to walk into the building. His own actions of screaming and twisting around to yell out to reporters is what caused their actions. If he didn't do that, they have no reason to put pressure on him to get him to quit and move on. What should they do? Allow him to stand there yelling at reporters and ranting on? Ridiculous.. and those that are loudest about these things usually have no idea exactly what LEO's do on a daily basis to keep them and their communities safer.

Now the police department is receiving threats. The McDonalds is receiving bad reviews and the elderly man that noticed him is being referred to as a Karen for speaking up.

Do people really want lawlessness? I don't think they know what they are asking for by believing this murderer is some hero and those that are holding him accountable are the "bad guys".
 
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Who was the 9/11 related terrorist who was finally convicted and sentenced to LWOP after a high profile very complicated trial?

I'll never forget the judge's last words to him saying, "You're a nobody now"
No one will hear your ranting etc ever again, or some such.
Was it Khalid Shaikh Mohammed?

Luigi will also become a nobody once convicted and imprisoned.

Agree, he'll go from a hero to a zero.
 
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IKR?

I think that's part of what MassGuy and I have been saying. This is why most courts have a way of getting the perp to court without this kind of media coverage.

It'll happen. It's probably a reason he's fighting extradition, as well - he wants a few more of these opportunities.

If he can get more evidence of being pinched at the neck by police, that just makes him sympathetic to many viewers who believe police are overstepping.

The solution is to make sure things are done more calmly, and without press cameras on the perp. That's why more and more trials are not televised nor do they allow sound recording and increasingly, not even typed note-taking.

This is where we're at - and this guy is a total wild card. I predict that others will learn from his case. He's going to cost New York a lot of money during his trial - he already is.

IMO.
Hear hear @10ofRods ….. and it probably isn’t popular …… but seems IMO part of the solution is take the cameras and published venues away from the assailant / alleged murder suspect. Don’t give him an avenue or means to communicate. Don’t give him any unwarranted attention. Drive the vehicles containing LM into a secluded vehicle port or garage, out of camera and media view.

IMO his spoken actions were demonstrated largely when he seems to have used an apparent ghost gun to coldly and callously slay a healthcare industry executive. One the suspect apparently targeted. And IMO which was done with clear premeditation and calculation. MOO
 
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Because many of us are not privvy to all the "known facts", could you tell us what in this "random essay" does not align with the known facts? That would be very helpful and thank you so much.

I think because Substack allows timed releases, it seems plausible in LM's situation & with his tech knowledge & experience, that he would have exactly something like this set up to auto deploy within a certain timeframe unless he intentionally reset it to not deploy. He could have done this on a daily basis since the very day right before leaving the hostel to commit this cold blooded murder. Being fairly smart, or thinking himself so anyway, it'd be unthinkable for him not to have done this as a part of making his point known.
And why would this manifesto deviate so much from the actual manifesto? The two do not cover any of the same content.

The first inconsistency is the writing itself. Looking at known writings of his shows that he is fairly articulate and writes in complex sentences. The vast majority of the fake manifesto are simple sentences that do not read like his other writings.

He speaks in the fake manifesto as if his father didn’t exist, as well as refers to a trip where the mother drove him to the Monterey Aquarium… which is on the opposite coast from where they lived. If she came out to San Francisco, that timeline doesn’t line up with his own surgery or issues.

The whole thing is rife with problems and fake.

JMO
 
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I agree but apparently they can cost $800

Even more reason to NOT buy a pair of jeans that make it look like you peed yourself when you can apparently have the look for free. $800?!?!? (As an aside... which I had thought that up first.)
 
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For all his talk about advanced technology, falling birth rates, and life expectancy… one might think he’s mad at the world for failing to figure out how he can live forever.
 
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That's a good point, I know many hospitals require that. I had minor foot surgery not too long ago, and they required me to have someone pick me up. I'm sure they would have required the same for LM, as his surgery would have been pretty debilitating.

I didn't have any friends or family able to do that (I was in a city across the country), so I told my surgeon and staff that my brother would be picking me up. They wheeled me to the entrance, not realizing that I had called an Uber. I remember thinking "please be a white guy, please be a white guy" because I hoped the driver would be someone who resembled someone who could actually be my brother. Naturally the driver was a female, and the wrong race.

I got out of there quick.

My guess is that he did have someone there to do that, but who knows.
LOL!!!

I just had a routine cancer screening procedure last week. I had to have someone drive me. I was not under general just sedated.. still had to have a driver. They called my hubby and he said, I don't know her.. HA Nurses got a kick out of that. My back up plan was my 18 year old son. I guess they don't care who it is as long as it's an adult. I am chuckling at your wrong race, wrong sex brother. Did you explain to her what happened?? LOL
 
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DBM
 
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Along with a three-page handwritten “claim of responsibility,” as police characterized Luigi Mangione’s manifesto, investigators are also looking at pages of notes in a spiral notebook that the 26-year-old wrote in, a law enforcement source briefed on the matter told CNN.

It included to-do lists of tasks that needed to be completed to facilitate a killing, as well as notes justifying those plans, the source said.

In one notebook passage, Mangione wrote about the Unabomber who CNN has previously reported Mangione wrote about in posts online as well. In the passage in the notebook, Mangione concludes that using a bomb against his intended victim “could kill innocents” but shooting would be more targeted, musing what could be better than “to kill the CEO at his own bean counting conference.”

Police have previously stated that after arriving in New York on November 24, Mangione allegedly took a cab to the New York Hilton to begin his reconnaissance and planning of the assassination.

I think he is more like Elizabeth Holmes or Sam Bankman-Fried- yes he is intelligent, but maybe also crazy in that his objectives, motives and actions are not legal and he believes that he is on a mission to save the world. Some legal definitions of mentally incompetent are very restrictive.
 
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UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect Luigi Mangione leaves courthouse​


Associated Press
Luigi Nicholas Mangione, the suspected killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, was escorted by law enforcement from a jail in Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania. (AP video shot by Ted Shaffrey)

Luigi was quieter and more under control of his anger in this clip.
Some of the reporters were calling out questions.

I'm surprised the reporters didn't say anything in the initial 'perp walk', or at his second public appearance, the one with the cop doing the Vulcan neck pinch ?
They were largely silent.
I actually didn't notice any type of grabbing or pinching, it looked the the policeman was grasping the back of his shirt collar, in order to propel him towards the door.

Whatever it was, LM didn't flinch or react, so I'm guessing more of an irritant than anything ?
Imo.
 
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was anyone able to hear what he was shouting at the press?
 
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