NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

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I see many people saying what he did or has done will not change anything. But I’d like to point out that some major insurance carriers have already made changes or discontinued changes that would adversely impact policyholders.
 
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Possibly stolen?

Where does one go to get foreign currency these days? It’s not like you can just pop in the corner bank and withdraw a few thousand from another country.
NY banks have foreign currency for travelers- still curious what currency it was and if it might have been a clue to a destination he was considering. After the xray pic, it occurred to me that maybe he did not want to fly because he sets of metal detectors and then people look closely at him and no fugitive wants that.
 
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It’s not likely. But since he is fighting extradition, it’s useful to have a local attorney. Moo.
And I assume his attorney would need to be licensed to practice in PA.
 
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Possibly stolen?

Where does one go to get foreign currency these days? It’s not like you can just pop in the corner bank and withdraw a few thousand from another country.
Aside from currency exchanges, certain banks will change foreign currency to U.S. dollars on the spot (mine does this as a service to account holders), and will change U.S. dollars to foreign currency with advance notice (My bank will do that with a 48-hour notice.)
 
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I don't know if it's ever been established. From his (alleged) reddit posts, he says he's had the issue since he was younger so it's unclear what, if anything, caused it.
Spondylolisthesis is often seen in younger people that do exercise that flexes the lower back repeatedly, like gymnasts. Sometimes there’s a weaker part of the back part of the vertebral arch - a birth abnormality - that may break, that causes slippage.
It’s compelling to me that other countries have a much lower rate of spinal surgery, and also better outcomes than the US.

You can speculate that “socialized medicine” plays into this and it does, but outcomes after surgery are not better than if the patient tries other, non-surgical options.

Exactly this. And it’s true for many other surgeries and tests too. Healthcare costs are many many multiples in the US, but outcomes are poorer and mortality rates higher. It’s not just because people aren’t getting the care they need, it’s often because they get care they don’t need. The opioid epidemic is a uniquely American problem. We simply don’t use painkillers in the same way in European practice. We do far fewer ENT surgeries, far fewer cardiac stent operations, fewer MRI scans and PET scans and use simpler medications as a rule. Everyone has access to the same healthcare, taxpayer funded, cradle to grave.
 
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View attachment 550705Look at this guy, he just killed someone and he is the one that is raging??? I will not be surprised to find out that he has a pain pill problem.
I absolutely thought that, too. Opiates problem that led to a mindset akin to schizophrenia, but with extra rage and peculiar thinking. The dropping out of his family and friends' lives, the lack of a job, the loony decision to kill someone. Just my opinion, based on first- hand observations.
 
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I see many people saying what he did or has done will not change anything. But I’d like to point out that some major insurance carriers have already made changes or discontinued changes that would adversely impact policyholders.
But this happens all of the time. Maybe it doesn’t always make the news, but the battle between insurance providers and healthcare providers happens on the regular, ime.
 
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Possibly stolen?

Where does one go to get foreign currency these days? It’s not like you can just pop in the corner bank and withdraw a few thousand from another country.
You can usually get foreign currency at your local bank but you have to order it one or two days in advance and then pick it up. We did that recently before a trip to Beijing. It's a courtesy for bank customers. The exchange rate is a lot better than buying foreign currency at an airport foreign exchange kiosk, if the airport you are using even has an exchange kiosk. Some have closed down since 2020 when Covid struck, at least at the smaller airports.
 
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Wonder if he had his passport on him.
Yes, LE from PA stated that he had his passport with him when they made the arrest.
 
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"Spondy" may indicate a pre-existing condition. Quote from ClevelandClinic.com: Spondylolisthesis ehappens when your vertebrae are cracked or weakened enough ... to slip out of place. If a slipped vertebra presses on a nerve, you may develop shooting pain in your legs (sciatica). Some people need surgery to relieve spondylolisthesis symptoms ...
Yeah, he clarifies in other posts he's had spondy for a long time, but specifically names the surfing incident as the acute cause of the sciatica, disability, and his search for surgical remedies.

JMO
 
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I see many people saying what he did or has done will not change anything. But I’d like to point out that some major insurance carriers have already made changes or discontinued changes that would adversely impact policyholders.
Yeah, but that’s just because they’re in the news right now, and everyone is talking about them.

That’ll fade, and this will not accomplish his goal. Insurance companies aren’t going to suddenly make the massive policy changes that people are advocating for, and what he seemed to believe was achievable by murdering a father of two.
 
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Yeah, but that’s just because they’re in the news right now, and everyone is talking about them.

That’ll fade, and this will not accomplish his goal. Insurance companies aren’t going to suddenly make the massive policy changes that people are advocating for.
Especially because it will set a precedent that if you kill a CEO, you get what you want. That's... suboptimal.
 
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Are we allowed to post about Lorien Health Services because LM volunteered there or is that not allowed because LM’s family owns it?
 
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I think he is more like Elizabeth Holmes or Sam Bankman-Fried- yes he is intelligent, but maybe also crazy in that his objectives, motives and actions are not legal and he believes that he is on a mission to save the world. Some legal definitions of mentally incompetent are very restrictive.
A comparison with Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried is fallacious; those two were chronic lying grifters only interested in enriching themselves, even at the expense of bankrupting (SBK) or even endangering the health and lives of others (EH, with her ersatz blood tests).
Luigi Mangione, on the other hand, saw himself as a crusader to help others (by reforming the health insurance industry) and was willing to renounce considerable personal and family wealth to do so. This is not meant to be taken as a defense of Mangione's methodology -murder- or its effectiveness (it won't change a thing) but rather to point out that he and wealth-obsessed con artists are not the same species; not even close.
 
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Just thinking about some of the unanswered questions we have right now:

What's the deal with that cellphone they found near the scene?

What exactly happened in those months following back surgery, when he went off the grid and no one could find him?
What exactly was his mental state during this time?
Where was he staying during this period?

Where has he been living in general?

What was he doing in Pennsylvania in the days following his escape from New York?
Where was he staying during this period?

Why wasn't he concerned about DNA (backpack, water bottle, phone, etc)?

What was his endgame here (suicide, follow-up attacks, etc)?
 
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Possibly stolen?

Where does one go to get foreign currency these days? It’s not like you can just pop in the corner bank and withdraw a few thousand from another country.
It may be that he brought currency back from his trip to Japan & has carried it with him for these last few months. He seems to have lived for a long time with very little except what fit in a backpack. He may have traded in & out of a very sparce wardrobe as his needs changed. Its fairly common for young nomads to live like this. Some even use "couch surfing" websites for sleep accommodations. I once met a lovely fairly well known artist being hosted like this who had lived like this for 2 years when I met her & she had traveled the world.
 
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A comparison with Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried is fallacious; those two were chronic lying grifters only interested in enriching themselves, even at the expense of bankrupting (SBK) or even endangering the health and lives of others (EH, with her ersatz blood tests).
Luigi Mangione, on the other hand, saw himself as a crusader to help others (by reforming the health insurance industry) and was willing to renounce considerable personal and family wealth to do so. This is not meant to be taken as a defense of Mangione's methodology -murder- or its effectiveness (it won't change a thing) but rather to point out that he and wealth-obsessed con artists are not the same species.
LM was however short-sighted in his ‘reasoning’. The health insurance industry is exploitive in that it does not spend all of the premiums it collects on procuring health care for members covered by plans. A substantial amount of that is creamed off as profit.

To manage the so-called “Medical-loss ratio” - the percentage that IS spent on healthcare, they use risk management methods that include prior authorisation and medical necessity determinations. They PLAN on spending only a certain amount of the premiums income on medical services and therefore ration, in effect, what it gets spent on. The fairest way to do this - and this is where the beef should be - is to be tough on stuff that doesn’t really work, or is not proven to work and not to argue about things that are clearly necessary and helpful. It’s here it seems they’ve lost the plot and appear to just generally try and be a hindrance to all. That seems like a terrible business model if people have a choice.

What is, without a doubt, unaffordable, is for there to be no controls at all. If every test that gets ordered and every surgery that gets recommended and every prescription that gets written would suddenly not get vetted at all, the explosion in heath care costs would be enormous. I have observed one (soon terminated) experiment where that was, in fact tried. It was astonishing how much could suddenly be found wrong and fixable if there were no limits.
 
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A comparison with Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried is fallacious; those two were chronic lying grifters only interested in enriching themselves, even at the expense of bankrupting (SBK) or even endangering the health and lives of others (EH, with her ersatz blood tests).
Luigi Mangione, on the other hand, saw himself as a crusader to help others (by reforming the health insurance industry) and was willing to renounce considerable personal and family wealth to do so. This is not meant to be taken as a defense of Mangione's methodology -murder- or its effectiveness (it won't change a thing) but rather to point out that he and wealth-obsessed con artists are not the same species.
the parallel I see is that EH claimed she was bringing a new modern testing protocol to revolutionize medicine (though she wasn't) and SBF was investing and creating wealth (but he wasn't) and LM is trying to change health care for the better (but he just murdered one guy) so they all have these lofty goals with no real way to achieve them- quixotic really.
 
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Especially because it will set a precedent that if you kill a CEO, you get what you want. That's... suboptimal.
Love the understatement
 
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