NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[NuttMegg]

I imagine that both San Fran & NYC police contacted family immediately

I don't know, but wouldn't you think they might be expected to tip him off, get in the way? My first impression would be that they not contact the family. But, maybe the cousin office holder?

 

[Big Ears]

Double post...

 

[citygirl]

Luigi Mangione had the whole world at his fingertips. Now, Mangione is sitting in an isolation cell in SCI Huntingdon, a state prison located in the heart of the Appalachian region in Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania.

On Thursday, the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections released an image of a cell “similar to” Mangione’s cell. Officials said the photo of an empty 15-by-6-foot prison cell shares a concrete wall with Mangione’s cell.

It features a desk and stool; sink attached to a toilet; and an elevated concrete bed with a pad atop it.

The hash brown breakfast at McDonalds very well might have been his last meal before a lengthy bout of prison food.

Wednesday morning, staff treated Mangione to a cup of grits, half a cup of scrambled eggs, two teaspoons of margarine, 8 ounces of milk, and coffee with one or two packets of sugar.

At lunch, he had porcupine meatball, a 4-ounce entree, with mashed potatoes, a mix of vegetables referred to as a “Normandy blend,” gravy, two slices of bread and canned fruit, alongside a beverage with a lemon packet.

For dinner, he ate macaroni and cheese with stewed tomatoes, broccoli, and a beverage with a tea packet.

Source: What Luigi Mangione’s life looks like inside Pennsylvania prison

Dear Lord. Sounds awful. But when was the last time he had 3 squares?

 

[jimg77]

Does anyone know if the type of surgery he allegedly had would leave a scar on his back?

I had similar lumbar surgery and have about a 6 inch scar center of my back going vertical along the spine waist height. I have another scar on my side waistline about 4 inches long horizontally.

 

[citygirl]

I hope he eats. Probably cold and tasteless but he needs nourishment. And sleep. Will enable him, in his sorry state, to think more clearly. If he can.

 

[citygirl]

And he needs to get out in the fresh air. That’s coming.

 

[10ofRods]

I think he cut his parents and friends off. Classic. JMO

I agree - it's become a common tactic and there's a lot of anger among 20-somethings that they will apparently not live the life their parents lived (and the parents are not "boomers"! This time, it's now the conservative Gen-Xers that are to blame (sic).

We all get older and when we do, we may retire or be forced to retire and be on fixed incomes and have real worries about healthcare. Boomers are hated and the 20-somethings want them all to go away so that housing and healthcare will become available to them. But it will work the same way as it did for the boomers - the older generation will still need expanding healthcare and only *some* will have insurance.

DM reports that LM's anger was due to UHC denying his mother's coverage, not his own:

Is this the real reason Luigi Mangione gunned down healthcare CEO?

Hidden True Crime released a video Tuesday claiming it may have Luigi Mangione's manifesto -describing in detail his alleged 'act of war' against UnitedHealthcare.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If he had read up on how to be a Robin Hood type figure, he'd have known that he should lay low and ghost his family, so that they aren't implicated or subjected to a lot of questioning. His mom must have been so worried - to have filed a missing person's report (in SF, as if she didn't even know his last known address was in Honolulu - maybe she didn't).

IMO

 

[NuttMegg]

Luigi Mangione had the whole world at his fingertips. Now, Mangione is sitting in an isolation cell in SCI Huntingdon, a state prison located in the heart of the Appalachian region in Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania.

On Thursday, the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections released an image of a cell “similar to” Mangione’s cell. Officials said the photo of an empty 15-by-6-foot prison cell shares a concrete wall with Mangione’s cell.

It features a desk and stool; sink attached to a toilet; and an elevated concrete bed with a pad atop it.

The hash brown breakfast at McDonalds very well might have been his last meal before a lengthy bout of prison food.

Wednesday morning, staff treated Mangione to a cup of grits, half a cup of scrambled eggs, two teaspoons of margarine, 8 ounces of milk, and coffee with one or two packets of sugar.

At lunch, he had porcupine meatball, a 4-ounce entree, with mashed potatoes, a mix of vegetables referred to as a “Normandy blend,” gravy, two slices of bread and canned fruit, alongside a beverage with a lemon packet.

For dinner, he ate macaroni and cheese with stewed tomatoes, broccoli, and a beverage with a tea packet.

Source: What Luigi Mangione’s life looks like inside Pennsylvania prison

MassGuy posted this earlier, it's hilarious re food he's getting, etc. The other inmates are watching the broadcast and yelling back.

 

[kaen]

They'd subpoena the phone company for phone records, but that wouldn't help them bypass the password. The FBI, Secret Service, and Homeland Security have divisions that specialize in this stuff, but that doesn't mean they'll be able to crack it in a timely manner. This guy would have maxed out the encryption capabilities.

As far as I know, we don't know the type of phone this is. Samsung and Apple are fairly secure phones in terms of security levels but there are Ultra Set phones, Enterprise secure space feature, Always on VPN, etc in brands that most of us are unaware of. The hold up can be many things in terms of getting access to what is on that phone.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

The irony is that he may think he was a tech wizard but he left his DNA behind and didn’t even try to change his appearance, and didn’t destroy the gun, etc. Not the amazing stealth killer he probably hoped he would be!

I'm wondering if he just didn't care at that point.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yikes, did indo that? Can you say what it covered and maybe I can find it, or at least say why I deleted it. I think I did delete one because I replied to the wrong person and then I retyped it and included the correct original post I was responding to. My fingers sometimes get ahead of my brain. Lol.

It was focusing on the "new US culture .... which I related to what I call " the normalization of violence in our "bipolar" country.

 

[MIG214222]

Does anyone know if the type of surgery he allegedly had would leave a scar on his back?

Hi @mrstfs,
Yes, spinal fusion, spondylodesis surgery almost always leaves a scar(s); so it's safe to say that would also be the case for LM.

SCARS rock!! (imo)

MOO

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

Luigi Mangione had the whole world at his fingertips. Now, Mangione is sitting in an isolation cell in SCI Huntingdon, a state prison located in the heart of the Appalachian region in Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania.

On Thursday, the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections released an image of a cell “similar to” Mangione’s cell. Officials said the photo of an empty 15-by-6-foot prison cell shares a concrete wall with Mangione’s cell.

It features a desk and stool; sink attached to a toilet; and an elevated concrete bed with a pad atop it.

The hash brown breakfast at McDonalds very well might have been his last meal before a lengthy bout of prison food.

Wednesday morning, staff treated Mangione to a cup of grits, half a cup of scrambled eggs, two teaspoons of margarine, 8 ounces of milk, and coffee with one or two packets of sugar.

At lunch, he had porcupine meatball, a 4-ounce entree, with mashed potatoes, a mix of vegetables referred to as a “Normandy blend,” gravy, two slices of bread and canned fruit, alongside a beverage with a lemon packet.

For dinner, he ate macaroni and cheese with stewed tomatoes, broccoli, and a beverage with a tea packet.

Source: What Luigi Mangione’s life looks like inside Pennsylvania prison

That stool looks really uncomfortable (and it has no back support!) but other than that, this is much better than what I thought an isolation cell would look like: clean walls and rather spacious. And macaroni cheese for dinner.
Many people working on a full-time basis live in abodes very similar to this one in many parts of the world. I would not complain if this was me who committed the crime.

 

[Kapua]

I would be very surprised if no one had called in his name prior to his arrest. Finding him was another story.

Exactly, I have been trying to point this out. Plus, LE had to sort through all of those tips; I am sure some of them were lookalikes. For example, his cousin Nino, the Maryland politician resembles him, and he has many other cousins. LM's friend said that his hair was the thing that set him apart, and we never saw that when he was wearing his hoodies or hat. The tipster at the McDonalds saved the detectives many hours of work. MOO

 

[OneLove]

Suddenly reminded of
Mark David Chapman, the man who shot John Lennon. His lawyer said he had paranoid schizophrenia. MDC spent time in Hawaii, travelled the world and eventually fixated on John Lennon, spent months planning his murder. Just walked up and shot him. IMO makes about same amount of sense as LM murder of a CEO guy to whom he had no logical connection.

Really, bean counter conference? … his obsession with BT, and clearly disjointed thoughts that he could not pull together into a coherent “manifesto” …. It was only 300 disorganized words … less than typical high school essay and badly written.

IMO he needed to kill BT to stop his obsessive thoughts about BT/healthcare/money & the system.
He needed to make his obsessive thoughts stop. And he made a murder plan to make it stop. There was no point to the murder, none at all.

Mark David Chapman - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Thank you for bringing this up, particularly pointing out the "fixation" aspect. When a person presents for diagnosis & treatment for this, they are often labeled obsessive compulsive & the medications often prescribed work by suppressing glutamate levels in the central nervous system. Topiramate, brand name Topamax, is one commonly used. Its a glutamate blocker so allows for higher levels of calming gaba to be transmitted through the central nervous system. The neural receptors that transmit glutamate work like a lever & also transmit gaba on the same receptors when calming is needed rather than excitability. In perfect conditions, the body uses the same building blocks to generate both glutamate & gaba depending on which is needed in each moment. Sometimes the cns gets stuck in glutamate mode & can't shift back into calming gaba mode. For instance, studying intensely, synthesizing new concepts, research, & writing it all down will generate very high glutamate levels. Snuggling up to a cozy fire & singing kumbayah will generate gaba. Alcohol hits the same receptors as gaba btw. Benzodiazapines like zanax, ativan, & valium do also & regular use can cause the body to atrophy/downregulate the number of receptors idue to flooding them with too much gaba. Eventually there are no longer enough receptors for the body to regulate transmitters appropriately & interdose withdrawals can be vicious. Spending too much time in glutamate mode can unbalance the transmitters toward excitability & cause a person to exhibit ruminating thoughts, fixations, & compulsions beyond their capacity to control, without knowing wth is even happening to them. Then the next intense action takes that excitability to an ever higher & higher level. It can snowball out of control. Dopamine factors in also in much the same way. Risk takers & adventurers get that dopamine rush & it becomes like a fix as they seek higher & higher levels, never satisfied, & usually have no awareness of what is happening with their body chemistry.

Many of us have read Luigi's writing. Dating back to his very bright & active mind at a young age, he was rapidly synthesizing new thoughts & concepts & racing ahead to the leading edge, always asking questions, always seeking answers . I would not be at all surprised if he lay awake in bed at night as a child having a racing active mind that just couldn't quit. I believe in his final month, he shifted into a glutamate storm beyond control or understanding.

As to the glutamate, we're all familiar with the extract monosodium glutamate added to prepared foods. As msg got a bad rap for damaging the cns, the food industry turned to foods naturally high in naturally occurring glutamates because it "excites" the taste buds. Essentially, anything considered "umami" is high glutamate. Mushrooms are very very high in glutamates. Yikes, even oatmeal is high in free unbound glutamate as is yeast extract often found on food labels. Red wine (dang again) and raisins and peanuts and more. The autism community has found that excitability levels in young kids are often much lower when glutamates are limited. Likewise, many people with seizure disorders and migraines find good relief by controlling glutamate levels.

I do belive at some point, Luigi's cns chemistry went off the rails and he lost the ability to control his obsessive and ruminating thoughts. I hate that BT was killed. That should never have happened. Yet I'm also deeply relieved and, yes, even touched, that his deepest most authentic self could not bring himself to kill those he felt were innocent of crimes against humanity as he felt BT was doing via his powerful position over millions of ailing people who'd done the right thing & paid their insurance premiums trusting that their stated coverages would be honored. Luigi has the capacity for deep empathy. His actions, on the other hand, were way out of control. I'm not convinced he even thought of a normal "what after", he was so locked in on his obsession. My drive to understand what happened to the sweet thoughtful bright friendly and empathetic Luigi doesn't make me a "fan" at all. I do hope Luigi gets the medical care he needs in his controlled environment & i do hope his situation encourages onlookers to seek help when they see their own loved ones going off the rails. Out of control chemistry can make monsters of any of us. I realize few will read this far nor want to stretch their capacity to connect all the dots it takes to understand this dynamics but if you've read this far, I thank you and wish nothing but peace and blessings for everyone, on every side of this terribly terribly tragic event.

 

[branmuffin]

Someone (I can’t recall who) on WS used to always say “I’ll eat my hat if xzy happens.” That’s kind of how I feel about it. I tend to think they’ll hope for hung jury or jury nullification. But like massguy said earlier, it’s a slam dunk case. MOO

Yeah, even if beyond any expectations, a fan of LM ended up on the jury there's no way they could have a hung jury. He's been caught dead to rights - murder on film, numerous clues left behind, his demeanor while under arrest, etc. etc. Even his actions after arrest just reinforce he has acknowledged his role in this. You'd be lying if you thought he wasn't guilty.

 

[airportwoman]

Sexual dysfunction is actually a side effect both of the spondy and of the procedure he had that was supposed to fix it. It causes lack of nerve transmission to the erogenous zones, causes incontinence and numbness, so that neither an erection nor pleasure can be derived from regular sex. I know people keep saying such persons "can have sex," but the world is filled with people who would truly miss their own ability to experience pleasure. The work-arounds aren't exactly the same.

(snipped)

I should say that the surgery *can* cause such symptoms, obviously. More than 80% of people who had the surgery (in the study below) had sexual dysfunction of varying degree.

Sexual Dysfunction: Prevalence and Prognosis in Patients... : Neurosurgery

total of 218 patients who underwent surgery for grade 1 degenerative lumbar spondylolisthesis were included who were sexually active. Sex life was assessed by Oswestry Disability Index item 8 at baseline and 24-mo follow-up. RESULTS Mean age was 58.0 ± 11.0 yr, and 108 (49.5%) patients were...

journals.lww.com

This would be especially distressing for someone of Luigi's age.

 

[al66pine]

TrueCar. Only a Company Location Closed imo

Your mind wasn’t deceiving you, Here is the quote:
“Kathleen stated she last spoke to Luigi on 7/1/24, and that Luigi worked for TrueCar at 124 Montgomery, which is permanently closed and the main number disconnected the report states.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/luigi-mangione-sf-missing-persons-report-united-19971586.php

TrueCar went through a restructuring process which included lay offs

TrueCar lays off 102 employees, taps new CEO amid restructure | TechCrunch

TrueCar, a platform where people can research new and used car prices and find local dealer savings, laid off 24% of staff amid restructure.

techcrunch.com

@NuttMegg @Tiff23fr
Agreeing, re @NuttMegg 's memory not deceiving her, & I see how the original quote provided from MSM likely caused confusion for others too.

Readers of that MSM* could be left w impression that the entire TrueCar Inc. was out of business when SFPD investigated LM as a MisPers.
IIUC TrueCar's LOCATION at 124 Montgomery in SanFranCA did close, altho afaik, info I posted earlier at #728 about TrueCar COMPANY still being in operation is accurate.**

Even w further info & context, imo it takes some parsing to see why the article led to confusion. I'll just leave it at that.

_____________________________
* "Kathleen stated she last spoke to Luigi on 7/1/24, and that Luigi worked for TrueCar at 124 Montgomery, which is permanently closed and the main number disconnected the report states.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/luigi-mangione-sf-missing-persons-report-united-19971586.php

The ^ sfchronicle story referred to -
- "the report," imo likely the LE REPORT re of LM's Mother's REPORT re LM as a MisPers, and
- a TrueCar LOCATION (presumably where LM's Mother told SFPD as his work location. Maybe a TrueCar branch or sales office but IDK) at 124 Montgomery, which was closed.

I can see ppl reading that may conclude that the entire TrueCar's Company (not just its 124 Montgomery location) was "permanently closed and the main number disconnected."

** FWIW
- The company website Truecar.com is still up.

TrueCar | New & Used Cars for Sale | Car Pricing & Reviews

TrueCar lets you control your car-buying journey. Shop new & used cars, sell your car, and find all the vehicle information you need with our research tools.

www.truecar.com

- TrueCar shares were traded on NASDAQ, closing at 4.19 USD, down 4.12%, or down 0.18 today.

TrueCar Inc (TRUE) Stock Price & News - Google Finance

Get the latest TrueCar Inc (TRUE) real-time quote, historical performance, charts, and other financial information to help you make more informed trading and investment decisions.

www.google.com

 

[airportwoman]

Yeah, even if beyond any expectations, a fan of LM ended up on the jury there's no way they could have a hung jury. He's been caught dead to rights - murder on film, numerous clues left behind, his demeanor while under arrest, etc. etc. Even his actions after arrest just reinforce he has acknowledged his role in this. You'd be lying if you thought he wasn't guilty.

Which reminds me, I just saw that people are wondering if and when the McDonald's employee who turned him in will get the reward money. The article I saw said that reward money is usually not paid until and unless there's a conviction, so it might be a while.

 

[sunspun]

From the article I linked (will link again):



To me that says he was taking his first lesson. Further, on Honolulu (and all the islands) surf lesson concessions are very regulated. Other articles say it was his first and last time surfing. Martin is his landlord/roommate:



Took a basic surf lesson.



The group he lived with was not a group of surfers, at least not as reported in MSM.

Suspect in Health Care C.E.O.’s Killing Charged With Murder

The suspect, Luigi Mangione, 26, was charged by New York prosecutors. He was arrested and arraigned in Altoona, Pa., on Monday after being spotted at a McDonald’s.

www.nytimes.com

How a Freak Accident Turned Luigi Mangione Into a Vengeful Murder Suspect

Luigi Mangione appeared to be living the dream when he moved to Honolulu to spend six months at a $2,000-a-month beach community. From a prominent Baltimore family, he was the valedictorian of his class at the prestigious Gilman School and passed with flying colors from his graduating class at...

www.yahoo.com

https://www.surfer.com/news/luigi-mangione-went-crazy-after-surf-injury

From this, my deduction is that he was a beginner surfer and went surfing once, with R.J. Where he over-extended his back and was apparently in bed for more than a week.

IMO

Looks like you're right! I stand corrected, very thoroughly, I might add! Thanks for setting the record straight.