NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[MassGuy]

Oooh... does this mean possible Federal charges??

He's talking about the impact of the crime, and how it could inspire more attacks like this. That tends to happen with domestic terrorism, so he's simply making a comparison as opposed to characterizing this as an act of domestic terrorism.

There is the possibility of Federal charges, but it doesn't seem to be trending that way right now.

Personally, I do see this guy through the lens of a domestic terrorist. He intended to intimidate, and the murder seems to be ideologically driven.

 

[MassGuy]

I thought the high-rise apartment had multiple people living there just per the roommate interview on CNN. I guess I missed something (entirely possible).

jmo

He lived with that roommate in that communal living situation prior to living in the high-rise.

Exclusive | Luigi Mangione resided in this Honolulu apartment in the months before his arrest

The nearly 1,000-square-foot two-bedroom at 801 South St. has sweeping views of the surrounding mountains.

nypost.com

 

[fred&edna]

I dont believe the majority "siding with him" are ignoring his wealth. I think they admire that he chose to "rail against an unjust system" DESPITE his obvious privilege & wealth. Poor people generally know why it's not the poorest among us that can champion causes. They're too busy just trying to eat and stay out of the cold and rain everyday. They dont have the luxury and LOVE a person that takes on a cause they cannot afford to do anything about. Also, it's no accident that the majority of protesters over time have been college students before jobs, mortgages, car notes, kids, and INSURANCE payments lock them down.

Murdering someone for a "cause" exhibited LOVE??!

I totally disagree... particularly under these circumstances and this "cause".

jmo

 

[RobSA]

I thought the high-rise apartment had multiple people living there just per the roommate interview on CNN. I guess I missed something (entirely possible).

jmo

I think both places are high-rises. There were definitely many people living in the co-living space. There could be many people living in the 2 bedroom apartment, but I would assume not?

 

[Tiff23fr]

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Oooh... does this mean possible Federal charges??

The United States of America AGAINST Luigi Mangione
(It has a nice ring to it, but I am not an attorney or suggesting i have any knowledge of what/where this could go.)

 

[Friday Fan]

Oooh... does this mean possible Federal charges??

Doubt it.
Many states have their own laws.

It doubt it would meet the legal definition of federal charges.

 

[sas0807]

I think both places are high-rises. There were definitely many people living in the co-living space. There could be many people living in the 2 bedroom apartment, but I would assume not?

The coliving/coworking space was a penthouse apartment where it seems each person had their own room.The second apartment it's unclear if it was just him or if he shared with roommate(s) in the 2br 2bath apartment.

 

[mrstfs]

Months Before C.E.O.’s Killing, the Suspect Went Silent. Where Was He?

New details are emerging about Luigi Mangione’s growing impatience with “a capitalist society” and his search for refuge in the mountains of Japan.

www.nytimes.com

“After a drizzly hike through one of Japan’s lush mountain ranges earlier this year, Luigi Mangione, a computer engineer in his mid-20s who had set off on a long solo trip to Asia, paused to record a voice message to a friend he had met while traveling abroad.

Making his way that day along a river gorge in the Nara region, Mr. Mangione had fled his day-to-day life in Hawaii to soak in hot springs, meditate, catch up on books and do some writing of his own.

 

[Warwick7]

I believe in the Silent Majority theory. The keyboard warriors squawk the loudest; however, I do not think that the majority of Americans are siding with LM. Those who are on his side are definitely ignoring his wealth and privilege and his family ties to capitalism. Not many have been afforded the luxuries that he has. I mean, for his youth, he sure has traveled quite a bit and experienced more than many do in a lifetime. Now, that happens to include murder.

JMO.

I dont think we could know how many are siding or not siding with LM.
However, I dont feel the those siding with him are ignoring his wealth. I am beginning to think that these are individuals who laud him for fighting what they feel is a cruel system regardless of his money and pedigree. They see him as a Jesse James if you will.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I dont think we could know how many are siding or not siding with LM.
However, I dont feel the those siding with him are ignoring his wealth. I am beginning to think that these are individuals who laud him for fighting what they feel is a cruel system regardless of his money and pedigree. They see him as a Jesse James if you will.

It seems like many have lost their moral compass. That's very sad, IMO.

JMO.

 

[Janitor101]

I wonder where he was on that date, and what was he doing... was he celebrating or not celebrating US 4th of July festivities?

Its confusing! Did he have the 'accident' on 7/4 with the trip to the emergency room then have the back surgery later the same month?

 

[Warwick7]

It seems like many have lost their moral compass. That's very sad, IMO.

JMO.

During the pandemic and now after we've seen more and more people losing their moral compass. This world has gone crazy...

 

[MassGuy]

The Bizarre Infatuation With Luigi Mangione Won’t Help Him Beat a Murder Case

A criminal trial has a way of forcing people to get serious.

nymag.com

Some encouraging commentary from a former Federal and state prosecutor:

At first glance, the risk of jury nullification is elevated here. If you catch one purveyor of Mangione fanfic — yeah, it’s a thing — that jury could hang. But if I was prosecuting this case, I wouldn’t be especially concerned about that possibility.

Prosecutors have two potent safeguards. First, the jury-selection process is designed to filter out people who are genuinely biased for or against a defendant. It’s not perfect, of course, but it does eliminate outliers. Some who genuinely sympathize with the defendant will self-identify; it’s not quite the same scenario, but plenty of potential jurors pulled themselves off the Trump hush-money trial (which was held in the same courthouse where this trial will eventually happen) because they felt they couldn’t be fair. Beyond that, potential jurors will be pressed by the judge and the attorneys on their feelings about the defendant, and whether they’d be able to render impartial judgment. The judge will remove some “for cause” (in the lingo) while the parties can eliminate others using their allotted peremptory strikes. And you can bet prosecutors and defense attorneys alike will pore over each potential juror’s social-media feeds, which should provide a clear indication of any pro-killer sentiment.

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[Tortoise]

What about a guilty plea down the line?

I can't see a viable defense here.

 

[mrstfs]

The grandmother of UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione left her family at least $30 million in her will — but specified that anyone “charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony” would be cut out.

Luigi Mangione’s grandma left family $30 million in will — but the alleged assassin may never see a penny

Philanthropist Mary C. Mangione left her family an estate worth at least $30 million in her will, but grandson Luigi Mangione could be cut off if he’s found guilty of killing UnitedHealthcare…

nypost.com

 

[Sundog]

I dont believe the majority "siding with him" are ignoring his wealth. I think they admire that he chose to "rail against an unjust system" DESPITE his obvious privilege & wealth. Poor people generally know why it's not the poorest among us that can champion causes. They're too busy just trying to eat and stay out of the cold and rain everyday. They dont have the luxury and LOVE a person that takes on a cause they cannot afford to do anything about. Also, it's no accident that the majority of protesters over time have been college students before jobs, mortgages, car notes, kids, and INSURANCE payments lock them down.

LM went far beyond "railing" against what he perceived as an "unjust system." He became a cold blooded murderer and won't ever have the support of the majority of the American people, IMO.

IMO, the majority of the American people want justice for Brian Thompson and are glad this murderer is off the streets.

 

[Janitor101]

I thought the high-rise apartment had multiple people living there just per the roommate interview on CNN. I guess I missed something (entirely possible).

jmo

You are thinking about his time in Hawaii during the early half of 2022 when he lived in a place called Surfbreak. There was a group of guys living there and he was roommates with a friend, RJM, and this was also where he subsequently was injured while surfing. That lasted approximately 6 months until he moved to the high-rise where I'm almost certain he lived alone.

 

[Tiff23fr]

'No indication' suspect in CEO killing was ever insured by UnitedHealthcare, NYPD says

As police continue to scour the history of the suspected shooter who gunned down an insurance CEO on a midtown Manhattan sidewalk, the NYPD said there is “no indication” he ever was a client of UnitedHealthcare.

www.nbcnewyork.com

In an exclusive interview with NBC New York, NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said that Luigi Mangione may have targeted Brian Thompson the morning of Dec. 4 simply due to the size of the company and because he knew there was a conference taking place at the hotel that day.

"We have no indication that he was ever a client of United Healthcare, but he does make mention that it is the fifth largest corporation in America, which would make it the largest healthcare organization in America. So that's possibly why he targeted that that company," said Kenny. "He had prior knowledge that the conference was taking place on that date, at that location."

 

[mrstfs]

What about a guilty plea down the line?

I can't see a viable defense here.

Someone (I can’t recall who) on WS used to always say “I’ll eat my hat if xzy happens.” That’s kind of how I feel about it. I tend to think they’ll hope for hung jury or jury nullification. But like massguy said earlier, it’s a slam dunk case. MOO

 

[ttjo]

Its confusing! Did he have the 'accident' on 7/4 with the trip to the emergency room then have the back surgery later the same month?

Almost sounds like he had that spondy condition since childhood, he went for a spinal fusion surgery and it failed. ( I'm not sure if you're born with it, or if it happens because of an injury)

Did Luigi Mangione's back pain surgery go wrong? What we ...

Mangione may have had bad experiences with the health-care system that could have provided a motivation for the shooting of Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com