NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*

[sunspun]

See for me the whole thing about admire and support LM’s cause but don’t condone his murder of BT is a real slippery slope because if you admire and support his cause, to me it follows that you are condoning his murdering BT.

Maybe I’m missing something and honestly my brain is a little fried at this point but do his supporters mean something akin to they don’t condone what he did but admire and support him because he did the dirty work for them/on their behalf? or what exactly?

TIA

IMHOO

ETA-clarity

I see no problem at all with someone NOT admiring/supporting LM, while still having the same complaints about the healthcare insurance industry that he does.

There are a LOT of people who think the same things about the industry as LM claims to think. But there are (hopefully) VERY few people who think that the solution to the problem is to kill the CEO!

So railing against the healthcare insurance industry and even the individual execs can easily go hand in hand with condemning the criminal actions of LM. No problem at all in my mind with someone saying both of those things simultaneously.

But it seems some people are somehow confused and think their hatred of the industry means support of murder by LM. How that's happening I don't understand, but yes, it might be partly due to LM being such an admirable guy in many ways except for his one fatal flaw.

 

[MassGuy]

San Francisco police recognized the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in midtown Manhattan as possibly being Luigi Mangione four days before the suspect’s high-profile arrest and contacted the FBI, two sources familiar with the matter told the Chronicle

However, the two sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak, said that an officer in SFPD’s Special Victims Unit recognized Mangione as the suspect on Dec. 5 — apparently after looking at the same surveillance images, which were the only ones released after the shooting that showed Mangione’s face.

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https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/luigi-mangione-sfpd-identification-19976578.php

Wow. I think there are going quite a few tips that correctly identified him, although that was likely the only one from law enforcement.

The issue would have been the shear number of them, which would likely taken a substantial amount of time to investigate.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

The report says the wording in the trust includes “any lineal descendant". My trust attorney once told me that trustees have a certain amount of discretion so I think there’s a good chance this could be enforced.

Interesting that LM's grandmother's wording in the trust included "any lineal descendant". Perhaps because she is reported to have left 30 million upwards to 100 million for her 10 children and perhaps because she had a really good lawyer who left nothing to chances, this was put into her trust.

I've never seen clauses in trusts excluding from the inheritance any lineal descendants charged with felonies (not convicted, just charged). Because I've only seen trusts with significantly less money, significantly less descendants and not written by high-powered top-notch lawyers, it strikes me as interesting that she or her lawyer thought to add this.

Perhaps this is the norm with significant estates but I was struck by what on earth made her either think to add this clause or agree with her lawyers that it was a good idea. Did she has a sense that some of her lineal descendants might be charged with felonies? There was far lesser crimes that are felonies and it's interesting this was included.

IMO

 

[sunspun]

LM injured himself on his very first time surfing, at a beginner's lesson (likely in Honolulu/Waikiki - as Waikiki is a world famous beginner's spot and that's where he was living, along with the friends who apparently went with him).
That was the first and only time he went surfing, according to MSM. He didn't realize how exerting surfing can be (he probably over-extended his spine while his legs were more or less pressed into position on the surfboard, surfing really flexes that lower back).

How a Freak Accident Turned Luigi Mangione Into a Vengeful Murder Suspect

Luigi Mangione appeared to be living the dream when he moved to Honolulu to spend six months at a $2,000-a-month beach community. From a prominent Baltimore family, he was the valedictorian of his class at the prestigious Gilman School and passed with flying colors from his graduating class at...

www.yahoo.com

I don't know that it was a "freak accident" as much as it would be something a young person wouldn't expect to have happen, even with a history of spondy.

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Luigi Mangione’s sprawling family found success after patriarch’s rise

The patriarch of a sprawling Italian American family, who died in 2008, was a self-made multimillionaire real estate developer who owned country clubs, nursing homes and radio stations while supporting an array of civic causes.

www.thebaltimorebanner.com

I thought it meant he was teaching a beginner surfing class, not participating as a student. I believe it was said he and some others organized this beginner surfing class.

 

[Kapua]

IMO it's wild that the SFPD able to identify him so quickly but literally nobody who knew him well was able to do so.

We don't know for certain that someone who knew him well hadn't identified him. There were 400 tips to be sorted through. One of those tips might have pointed to LM. MOO

 

[fred&edna]

The relatively small community that is focused on 3D-printed firearms is populated by Second Amendment and tech enthusiasts, many of whom are designers or engineers in their day jobs. Mr. Wilson noted that the killing was being “celebrated” by some people in 3D-printed gun circles.

What To Know About The Gun Found With Luigi Mangione

Part of the gun that the police believe was used to kill the C.E.O. of UnitedHealthcare was made by a 3D printer using a popular design found online.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Karmaqueen]

Agreed. LE has asked the public to come forward if they can shine a light on his whereabouts while he was tooling around Pennsylvania. It was also mentioned that he had visited several businesses while there so it will be interesting to find out if he had hatched a plan to target another victim.

He went to UPenn, not Penn State. Big difference in schools and location.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

So Mayor Adams might have been right when he said NYPD had a name?

jmo

I would be very surprised if no one had called in his name prior to his arrest. Finding him was another story.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

sds71 said: San Francisco police recognized the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in midtown Manhattan as possibly being Luigi Mangione four days before the suspect’s high-profile arrest and contacted the FBI, two sources familiar with the matter told the Chronicle

However, the two sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak, said that an officer in SFPD’s Special Victims Unit recognized Mangione as the suspect on Dec. 5 — apparently after looking at the same surveillance images, which were the only ones released after the shooting that showed Mangione’s face.

The San Francisco officer who made the identification had been familiar with Mangione’s face because the 26-year-old man had been reported missing to San Francisco police in mid-November. The Special Victims Unit, which had been investigating the missing person’s case, reported his identity to the FBI, also on Dec. 5, the sources said.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/luigi-mangione-sfpd-identification-19976578.php

Wow. I think there are going quite a few tips that correctly identified him, although that was likely the only one from law enforcement

Impressive that they identified him. Agree with MassGuy that there are likely quite a few tips that correctly identified him. While we will likely never know, I wonder if any family or friends identified him and reported his name to the FBI. IMO

 

[OneLove]

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LM is not a one-man jury who gets to decide who is not innocent and deserves to be gunned down on a city sidewalk.

I know we all know that, but I expect the Fan Club will praise how thoughtful he was to avoid "innocents."

jmo

Respectfully, its not fan clubbing to state the fact that he at least chose to spare the lives of those he felt to be innocent of murdering (to *his* way of thinking, not ours) people who had paid dearly for medical coverage but had not received it. Again, understanding his thought process is not to be misconstrued as being in favor of his actions.

Many of us here have worked professionally in areas that touch on psychology, psychiatry, and criminal justice among others. It is in our nature to seek to understand how and why these crimes happen and hope to be able to prevent it becoming endemic in our culture. A mob mentality of sticking fingers in ears to drown out the facts and screaming just hang him already does nothing to aid this. History is full of martyrs who greatly furthered their causes by becoming so and above all we do NOT want Luigi to become a martyr. That's a sure fire method of generating lots of copycat events just like this. Those suffering what they feel to be injustices want to be HEARD and denying them that only worsens the situation.

Those who remain tone deaf to this HUGE issue in the US profit-motivated system are just about guaranteed to be viewed as "the enemy" by those who have been traumatically injured by the system. A bit of compassion goes a long way, hurts nobody, and certainly does not allow the crime to go unpunished. The deed is done; what comes next and how people respond will set the course for many many years to come. Frankly, I'm in favor of listening to my neighbors personal journeys. I had a long long face to face chat with my own primary care provider just this morning and was blown away at how traumatized he himself has been at unjust insurance denials & having to stand by and watch people needlessly die for lack of the coverage they had paid for. As you walk about daily life, a great many of the faces you pass have had some kind of experience in this area.

 

[fred&edna]

I don't know if LM had a mental break OR if he spent too much time thinking about himself in the spotlight and getting his "zen on".

jmo

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

So Mayor Adams might have been right when he said NYPD had a name?

jmo

Seems likely he was told LE had a name but LE likely never thought Mayor Adams would give such an update and reveal they had a name since that kind of information really should come from LE. So, yes, I think Mayor Adams was right but that it wasn't his place to make that announcement.

 

[MassGuy]

LATEST: Authorities are still looking to access a phone recovered believed to be linked to the suspect in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, sources said Thursday. Police have obtained a search warrant for the phone, sources said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867369079654281364

 

[MassGuy]

LATEST: Authorities are still looking to access a phone recovered believed to be linked to the suspect in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, sources said Thursday. Police have obtained a search warrant for the phone, sources said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867369079654281364

Replying to my own post because it just occurred to me why they can’t access his phone, which he seemingly addressed in his manifesto:

“My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there.”

 

[OneLove]

@OneLove , did you delete a previous post??
It was so spot on, and I wanted to respond and comment......

Yikes, did indo that? Can you say what it covered and maybe I can find it, or at least say why I deleted it. I think I did delete one because I replied to the wrong person and then I retyped it and included the correct original post I was responding to. My fingers sometimes get ahead of my brain. Lol.

 

[NuttMegg]

LATEST: Authorities are still looking to access a phone recovered believed to be linked to the suspect in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, sources said Thursday. Police have obtained a search warrant for the phone, sources said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867369079654281364

The search warrant is for the phone company to let them in, ie bypass the code?
Or the manufacturer like samsung?

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

Replying to my own post because it just occurred to me why they can’t access his phone, which he seemingly addressed in his manifesto:

“My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there.”

The irony is that he may think he was a tech wizard but he left his DNA behind and didn’t even try to change his appearance, and didn’t destroy the gun, etc. Not the amazing stealth killer he probably hoped he would be!

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Suddenly reminded of
Mark David Chapman, the man who shot John Lennon. His lawyer said he had paranoid schizophrenia. MDC spent time in Hawaii, travelled the world and eventually fixated on John Lennon, spent months planning his murder. Just walked up and shot him. IMO makes about same amount of sense as LM murder of a CEO guy to whom he had no logical connection.

Really, bean counter conference? … his obsession with BT, and clearly disjointed thoughts that he could not pull together into a coherent “manifesto” …. It was only 300 disorganized words … less than typical high school essay and badly written.

IMO he needed to kill BT to stop his obsessive thoughts about BT/healthcare/money & the system.
He needed to make his obsessive thoughts stop. And he made a murder plan to make it stop. There was no point to the murder, none at all.

Mark David Chapman - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[MassGuy]

The search warrant is for the phone company to let them in, ie bypass the code?

They'd subpoena the phone company for phone records, but that wouldn't help them bypass the password. The FBI, Secret Service, and Homeland Security have divisions that specialize in this stuff, but that doesn't mean they'll be able to crack it in a timely manner. This guy would have maxed out the encryption capabilities.

 

[Gemmie]

IMO it's wild that the SFPD able to identify him so quickly but literally nobody who knew him well was able to do so (as far as we know).

Oh, I'd imagine both friends and family recognized LM. I'd also venture a guess there was a whole bunch of denial going on as well. Hence no call in from F & F. JMO!