NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown.

[Inthedetails]

Seems very possible. Also the message on the bullet may be a red herring to divert attention to domestic protest groups.

This looks like a professional hit, not an angry activist. JMO

If someone wanted to silence BT due to the ongoing high-level investigations, it's not hard to imagine such a villain could come up with the idea to blame an "activist." Sowing turmoil would be beneficial in covering the true motive.

It's on my list of theories, but I admit my list is long. I haven't whittled it down yet and I am leaving open spots on the list for ideas we haven't considered yet.

jmo

 

[CrimeBunny]

But they wouldn't know where he was staying or if he was spending the night the evening before or flying in that morning, and what time he would be arriving at the conference. I know a handful of executives who fly on their corporate jets. Noone but their immediate family or coworkers know their schedules.

I would just add to this, that there can always be tertiary relationships that are unknown to family and coworkers. The possibility of someone knowing his schedule without others knowing is possible. IMO men in these positions tend to have relationships that others may not know about.

 

[Justice101]

Wow. Looks like they know who it is.

Can someone update the map to show where these 2 raids were in relation to NYC

 

[alsleuther]

ding ding ding. I think this is personal. I'm not sure what hotel BT stayed at but his family or personal secretary would..I know there is a marriottt up the block, which would make sense that he entered the Hilton, walking eastbound on 54th st. I assume there was an accomplice at his hotel, letting the gunman know when he left etc

Lol, and in corporate Amercia, at least in my experience when there is an event in a big city like NYC for a huge company, the staff level people stay at the Hilton, medium level may stay somewhere a smidgen nicer, and the CEO stays wherever he wants, after his executive asst. books it It's just not information that would be so easily available for a random hitman!

Which might coincide with the fact he was walking alone to the conference. The other UH employees had different accomodations?

Purely my opinion, but I think this was a hit with a very personal motive, disguised as a disgruntled person with the personalized bullets.

 

[arielilane]

It's been established that it was not a city bike CNN - Supect in shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO did not flee on a Citi Bike, law enforcement source says.

The shoes look the same to me. The slice of white at the bottom. Where was the helmet?

Makes sense, as Citi Bikes are tracked. Additionally, bike in video does not appear to look like a Citi Bike. moo

 

[skymom]

There's the VA Health System for that, so I doubt it.

There's also TriCare which which is the healthcare system for active duty and retired military and their families.

It does have a UNH connection: UnitedHealthcare Awarded the TRICARE West Region Managed Care Support Contract

Just another angle..

 

[Justice101]

Re: "defend, depose, and deny"

Only my opinion: it is possible LE know who the shooter is because its interesting they would [so early in an investigation] release information known only by the shooter.


@BrianEntin

Three bullets at the scene of the murdered UnitedHealthcare CEO had the words “defend,” “depose,” and “deny” on them.

8:20 AM · Dec 5, 2024

That is an odd combination of words.. ."defend, depose, deny" especially the depose part.

Obviously, all three start with "de" .... But what do you think it means?

 

[Torbs]

Said it earlier but worth repeating: if we agree someone must of had access to intimate details of the victim’s schedule one explanation could be the ongoing ransomware attack at UHC. They could easily still have access to, say, his assistant’s mailbox - or his own. Plus these groups are usually a) anti-capitalist b) based in Eastern Europe c) filled with young males and d) always need to have the last word. It’s an intriguing possibility to me.

 

[fashionella]

Lol, and in corporate Amercia, at least in my experience when there is an event in a big city like NYC for a huge company, the staff level people stay at the Hilton, medium level may stay somewhere a smidgen nicer, and the CEO stays wherever he wants, after his executive asst. books it It's just not information that would be so easily available for a random hitman!

right and businesss travelers are either Bonvoy (Marriott) ppl or Hilton ppl. They want the points and never stay at other properties. I think there is an accomplice who was at BT hotel. And most likely the shooter left the gun and backpack somewhere without cameras in Central Park and a pre-planned location for the accomplice to collect and dispose of. Shooter changed his clothes and put the gun in the backpack and left.

 

[CrimeBunny]

That is an odd combination of words.. ."defend, depose, deny" especially the depose part.

Obviously, all three start with "de" .... But what do you think it means?

I looked up the meaning of depose because I understand it, but I was curious what the given meaning is. I found it interesting that this is the first definition and I was automatically thinking of the second kind, which is to testify.

remove from office suddenly and forcefully.

1. "he had been deposed by a military coup"​

 

[detective.moon]

i wonder if someone could have hacked BT to figure out his schedule? that way it could have been someone without a personal connection to him

 

[fridaybaker]

Lol, and in corporate Amercia, at least in my experience when there is an event in a big city like NYC for a huge company, the staff level people stay at the Hilton, medium level may stay somewhere a smidgen nicer, and the CEO stays wherever he wants, after his executive asst. books it It's just not information that would be so easily available for a random hitman!

I agree with this. I've always thought that it would be difficult for someone without inside knowledge to arrange this hit. It's possible, but would require so much time and work. You could looks for flights from MN in the days leading up to the event, then stake out baggage claim areas, follow to hotel, etc., but that would be so.very.cummbersome. I can't imagine it. Doesn't it have to be someone with at least some bit of insider information?

The point someone made upthread earlier, though: In addition to friends, family, assistants, other people in the company, there are also "off the grid" type of relationships. Someone who followed him for awhile, chatted him up at a bar, etc? Girlfriend(s)?

Editing to add, thanks to DetectiveMoon: I think hacking is a huge possibility. I think it's my age that wouldn't make that an obvious first thought!

 

[Torbs]

That is an odd combination of words.. ."defend, depose, deny" especially the depose part.

Obviously, all three start with "de" .... But what do you think it means?

“Depose” is an interesting choice of words. We don’t use it commonly in American English. It’s more commonly used in Europe. You depose a king or other royalty.

 

[tlcya]

Deny Delay Defend. That is what Insurance companies do with claims. The shooter answered by Defying Defending and Deposing the head of the company snake. Clearly this is very targeted and persona to the shooter. Who did he lose because of the company denying a claim or recommended treatment? That is how they will catch him. MOO

 

[Sadi]

She also makes a statement very quickly. I would think she'd need to process and want privacy for some

That is an odd combination of words.. ."defend, depose, deny" especially the depose part.

Obviously, all three start with "de" .... But what do you think it means?

Maybe due to the insider trading investigation and feared BT would share too many details of others involved (depose)? Could it also have meant “dispose” and eliminate him?

 

[minazoe]

I think the bullet carvings are a red herring. I think this was set up by someone very close to him. giving me "small foreign faction vibes". mOO

 

[Cryptic]

This implies possible inside info (colleagues, family). Or did the shooter check out the investor meeting the previous quarter and laid his plans from there?

Do you know how open these meetings are? For example, could somebody request a entry ticket by claiming to represent an investment institution?

If so, I wonder what scrutiny the hosting company would give such a request?

- A "Show us you are serious by giving us more information as to who you are" route to weed out potential protestors making disruptions, security threats etc.

- A "Cover letter looks plausible, never had protestor problems, we need cash, here is a ticket" approach.

 

[Warwick1991]

“Depose” is an interesting choice of words. We don’t use it commonly in American English. It’s more commonly used in Europe. You depose a king or other royalty.

Unless it's related to the legal term "deposition."

 

[tlcya]

“Depose” is an interesting choice of words. We don’t use it commonly in American English. It’s more commonly used in Europe. You depose a king or other royalty.

wondering if it was used to describe both the deposing a head or ruler (unseat/dethrone) and if the shooter had been or currently was involved in a lawsuit against the billion dollar company. If so many would ultimately be deposed in that suit.

 

[Inthedetails]

Can someone update the map to show where these 2 raids were in relation to NYC

I'm not a map maker, but the hostel is on Amsterdam and 104th. The building itself is HUGE, though it serves other purposes than just a hostel. It's not a place with fancy accommodations by any means. The hostel guests are largely European from my own observations, fwiw.

I have photos of the building on my camera roll from 2020 when I did a study of the exterior architecture and can post them but they aren't much different (and a few years older) than what you can see on google maps:

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