PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[Leilei]

So only one more appearance in street clothes - for his official sentencing, and then it's convictwear for the rest of his awful life?

I believe that the judge told him today that he has to wear his jail clothes from this point forward.
IMO.

 

[AngTxGal]

Nobody talks about this. I believe he stalked them via Twitch, saw MM smashed a bit and thought TONIGHT! JMOO

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/us/university-of-idaho-killings-thursday

Yes this was the topic of discussion a long while back.

IMO

 

[gremlin444]

How does LE even know in what order the victims were killed?
BK isn’t talking, so what kind of evidence indicates he went upstairs first, then Xana, then Ethan?
My point is, until BK is required to confess in detail, we have no idea what went on in the house, except he killed four people.
We also don’t know what drew him to that house.
The one requirement missing from the plea deal that should be there, is his detailed confession. Everything else, I think is for the best.

It is believed the same knife was used on all 4 victims.

If on and in Maddie's wounds, you only find her blood, chances are high she was first. If in and on Kaylee's wounds/body you find Maddie's blood/DNA (Maddie's DNA in Kaylee's wounds), she's second. Etc.

 

[Chimera]

He won't tell because people want to know. He buzzes off power and will hold onto anything that gives him it.

He's textbook.

Bbm.
ITA. ^^^^
Was about to post that but you beat me to it.

After the fact .... but I see Ted Bundy and Charles Manson looking out of BK's eyes.
An evil that's beyond normal, decent people's comprehension.
Imo.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I feel sure the victim’s families will ask him.

If that were me, I dont know that I would. I dont think I could bear to hear him stand there with his emotionless tone and say no, and ive no doubt that's what the answer is, even if at some stage he sees fit to say otherwise.

 

[seasideForest]

At this point why would he not tell where the murder weapon is?

Probably gives him a sense of power and some horrible 'joyful' feeling withholding the information.
MOO

 

[AngTxGal]

Her touching him was just icky. I don't know how she could do it without her skin crawling. Or why she did it. YUCK YUCK YUCK EWWWW

I have seen several posts questioning if Anne Taylor had some sort of relationship with BK, that her touching him was disgusting, that he was controlling her or grooming her.
Hmm, considering the outcome- she did her job and he was guilty and will spend his life behind bars, no appeals, no parole, no getting out. Four lifetimes plus 10 years- that is until death. He is a monster and for the rest of his life will be treated like a monster in a cage. Today, he was human.

All I can say to those suggesting any kind of unprofessional relationship based on zero evidenced is- Grow Up. AT is his defense attorney and he is a human being, he committed an atrocious crime and she still chose to treat him like a human being. I have the utmost respect for defense attorneys- even monsters need them. Defense attorneys are also human and must maintain their humanity- I would expect nothing less.

Let’s just imagine a society without due process, where the accused are assumed to be guilty and have no attorney helping them through the process.
While it may feel like due justice- or revenge, or whatever- I don’t want to live in that kind of place.

IMO

 

[Seattle1]

For questions if Ethan was asleep, and whether Xana consumed her JITB meal, we learned the following from Thompson:

He said Kohberger then encountered Kernodle as she came down the stairs to pick up a Doordash order, and killed her with the same Ka-Bar knife he used on her roommates.

He then entered Kernodle's bedroom and stabbed her sleeping boyfriend Chapin to death, Thompson said.

Bryan Kohberger prosecutor BREAKS DOWN at plea deal hearing

Prosecutor Bill Thompson choked up as he laid out the timeline of the murders of four University of Idaho students in 2022 at the hearing on Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Sundog]

Judge Hippler began today's change of plea hearing admonishing efforts by the Goncalves family to have people call and email the judge and encourage him to reject the plea deal. Said it was highly inappropriate and disruptive to the court.


Pool photo from the @AP of Bryan Kohberger at his change of plea hearing today. He's now 30 years old. It's been 962 days since prosecutors say he killed four University of Idaho students.

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Judge: You're pleading guilty because you are guilty?

Kohberger: Yes.

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Prosecutor Bill Thompson detailed the evidence it would have presented at trial. NO CONNECTION mentioned between Kohberger and the victims and no motive revealed.


My story of everything that just happened in this Kohberger hearing:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940470069626306594

Looking at that picture of Anne Taylor in court today, my heart also goes out to her. She was required to do her job, a job that she was vilified for by many, and yet she has brought this case to a close in a way that is satisfactory to the prosecution and the court, with the prosecution having stated that the plea deal agreement is in the best interests of justice.

 

[Herat]

Bbm.
ITA. ^^^^
Was about to post that but you beat me to it.

After the fact .... but I see Ted Bundy and Charles Manson looking out of BK's eyes.
An evil that's beyond normal, decent people's comprehension.
Imo.

Yes.

I see the compulsion to stalk and kill that this event only temporarily fulfilled. It fits with the kind of narcissism where he is convinced he is smarter than anyone and will continue on with calculated violence against women.

I'm perfectly happy with a strong LWOP incarceration to keep him away from a vulnerable public.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Wow the judge had no idea until Monday? I can understand the rush after he explains it because jury selection was to start mid-July and I'm sure sending out notifications would begin sooner than that? Sounds like all hands-on deck was happening already for a trial to begin next month, and he had to get this done in case something fell through so the trail wouldn't be delayed.

Yes, Judge Hippler said twice in that segment of the upfront points that getting 10,000 potential jurors lined up was in the works at the time the change in plea came in.

Soooo much work was being done to get ready for trial in less than 2 month's time.

Which in generic professional parlance I'm familiar with equates to "Huge change in scope of work at the last minute and level of effort involved to respond and shift gears is astronomical"

And in this case, emotional costs are more than astronomical, if there is such a thing.

Welp, anyway, sincerely hoping this is the very last opportunity BK has to menacingly & devastatingly interfere with everyones' lives & increase their trauma.

And from hereon out he will fade into obscurity and back page news and be the biggest, loneliest, most-dissatisfied-with-the-results-of-his-crimes Jail Bird there ever was or will be.

MOO

 

[seasideForest]

So only one more appearance in street clothes - for his official sentencing,

I may well have misunderstood, but I thought as of his next appearance for his official sentencing no more street clothes because he has admitted his guilt x5.
MOO

 

[Jw192]

I won't give him any of that. He has absolutely no power. He's a coward. He's a complete failure. A wimp who ambushed drunk and sleeping kids. He's not smart. He's no criminal mastermind. He was caught pretty easily because he is in fact an idiot who left a trail of evidence leading investigators right to his parent's doorstep. He got his family SWATTED and put in zip-ties. Who cares where the murder weapon is at this point? It's not a crucial piece of evidence anymore. No one needs it. There's no trial. There's no questions or doubt about his guilt. He was taken away in handcuffs. He's going to PC for the time being but even if he gets out of there, he going to be doing Hard Time. He'll be locked in with the other animals who have killed people or worse. He won't be up against sleeping and drunk children. We already know he can't fight. Nope, no power for him in The Can. He'll be a just another who trucked-up and will be spending every second of the rest of his life staring at walls and bars, being told what to do and when to do it. He's nothing but a failure.

Oh I very much agree with that. He's not the special superstar killer he thinks he is, he's a ten a penny creeper that people like us read about regularly. His attempts to be like his idols he studied and watched on YouTube failed as he is just another drop in the smelly murderer pool and his name will be long forgotten.
He will however imo, hold onto the shreds of "power" he has left as that's all he has. Like I said before, we here move on. There's unfortunately always gonna be another unhinged creep who commits a horrendous act and we will follow that case hoping for justice, and the next and the next. He holds no power over us, it's the families of the victims that at present want answers that he holds in his skeletor looking head and, I hope in time they can realise that the answers he holds won't bring them any more peace. Let him fade away into the abyss he fell into and rot there all alone.

 

[femto]

For questions if Ethan was asleep, and whether Xana consumed her JITB meal, we learned the following from Thompson:

He said Kohberger then encountered Kernodle as she came down the stairs to pick up a Doordash order, and killed her with the same Ka-Bar knife he used on her roommates.

He then entered Kernodle's bedroom and stabbed her sleeping boyfriend Chapin to death, Thompson said.

Bryan Kohberger prosecutor BREAKS DOWN at plea deal hearing

Prosecutor Bill Thompson choked up as he laid out the timeline of the murders of four University of Idaho students in 2022 at the hearing on Wednesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

DailyMail once again printing crap. He caught her down the stairs from Maddie's room. She already got the DoorDash and was in her room when she heard the ruckus from upstairs.

 

[AngTxGal]

How does LE even know in what order the victims were killed?
BK isn’t talking, so what kind of evidence indicates he went upstairs first, then Xana, then Ethan?
My point is, until BK is required to confess in detail, we have no idea what went on in the house, except he killed four people.
We also don’t know what drew him to that house.
The one requirement missing from the plea deal that should be there, is his detailed confession. Everything else, I think is for the best.

And if he gave you an explanation would you believe him?
I think it would/will take a certain kind of person to get that information from him. My guess it is Dr.R his prof.

IMO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940446639745048786

 

[wendy44]

BK showed in his old postings the ability (and desire) to dissect his own detachment and lack of normal human emotions towards his family and friends. I think that's an indication he'll talk about what happened here at some point.
JMO

 

[Tragg]

Agree. Probably not a popular question, but what case in Idaho would be DP-worthy if this case wasn’t? What holes were in the prosecution’s case? Yes, mostly circumstantial evidence, but I believe this is true of a lot of cases.

BK certainly is eligible by law to receive the DP. I think if the case had proceeded to trial he would have been convicted of the charges. I haven't heard enough about the evidence of mitigating factors to say with certainty that he would have received the DP.

I think both the judge and the prosecutor were struggling with the fair trial/due process issues raised in the motion to reset the trial date. I think the recent documentary was very problematic on that score, with high potential to influence the jury pool. That's always a difficult challenge to prove, and I can't say it would definitely be successful, but it would definitely jeopardize the whole case - including the conviction - if it succeeded on appeal.

 

[Danaya]

I’ve been thinking a lot about this ever since the plea deal was announced.

A lot of people here are focused on wanting a full confession—details about what happened, why he did it, what led up to it.
But that’s not justice. Justice isn’t a few answers handed out after the fact—it’s a process. And the moment Bryan Kohberger was offered a plea, that process was cut off.

Now, thanks to the state, there will be no trial. No cross-examination. No full discovery. Realistically, he doesn’t have to say a damn thing.

So if you’re still waiting for him to open up, ask yourself: why would he? The system gave him a shortcut.

And now, in one of the most high-profile murder cases in the country, Bryan Kohberger holds the key to what comes out and what stays hidden. He can speak—or not. Release details—or sit on them. The public and the victims’ families have no say anymore. That was the cost of avoiding trial.

And that brings us to the question of justice. Whether you agree with capital punishment or not is irrelevant. This isn’t about personal beliefs. It’s about the law. And under Idaho Code §19-2515, Bryan Kohberger was eligible for the death penalty.

Multiple victims. Premeditation. Extreme brutality. Atrocious cruelty.
All elements which qualified Kohberger for the maximum sentence under Idaho law: death.
Not life.
Not a plea.
Death—by lethal injection, or by firing squad if necessary.

Bryan Kohberger is not some kind of criminal mastermind. He ambushed four young people in their own home while they were completely unarmed and unsuspecting. It was a sneak attack. Three of the victims were small, unarmed women. One was a young man cornered in a bedroom with his girlfriend.
Any physically capable man with a knife and no conscience could have carried that out. This wasn’t intelligence or strategy. It was pure, unfiltered violence—the exact kind of brutality that the death penalty is meant to address.

Kohberger’s background in criminology is irrelevant. His education doesn’t matter. This isn’t a psychological puzzle to solve.

What matters is what he did—and what the law says should happen when someone commits a crime like this.

It doesn’t matter if someone believes life in prison is worse. That belief is irrelevant. Legally, the maximum penalty in Idaho for a person convicted of a brutal mass murder is death.

So the question remains: if that’s the most severe sentence—and he met every legal condition—why wasn’t it pursued?

The evidence was strong. His defense team knew it. The guilty plea reflects that.
So why was a deal even on the table?

And no, I don’t think Steve Goncalves is acting out in grief. He’s not confused. He’s right. He's rightfully outraged.

And dismissing his outrage only serves to protect the man who murdered his daughter.

 

[QB2022]

I do wonder if they were concerned about the risk of a mistrial at any point, I think that would have been more likely than innocent.