4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[Sozo]

Plus I was waiting to see if the State would dispute the defense statement in their reply motion that there is no connection between BK and the victims and no explanation for the lack of victim DNA in his car, home, etc. They did not dispute it.
That's very telling. Just imagine how much risk the defense took if they lied about all these. How foolish, and unprofessional they would look if the state exposed them. The defense wouldn't take such risk, they know what they were doing, and what they could expect from the state.

The Defense says there was no victim DNA evidence found in his car, office, apartment or his parents house. There was "precious little" evidence found at all. All of this is according to Ann Taylor who has seen the actual discovery and wrote this in a court filing. Defense attorneys are not permitted to lie in court filings or anything they do or say in court as they could be fined, jailed or disbarred or all of those things. It is against the law in Idaho for the Prosecution or Defense to keep secret evidence.

 

[BeachSky]

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys fight over footage of his crotch

Earlier this month, Kohberger appeared in court for a status hearing where he decided to waive his right to a speedy trial.

www.newsweek.com

I still think this is crazy.
You know Murdaugh drapped a jacket over his cuffs (in front) every time he exited the prison van .


Jmo

 

[kittythehare]

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys fight over footage of his crotch

Earlier this month, Kohberger appeared in court for a status hearing where he decided to waive his right to a speedy trial.

www.newsweek.com

I still think this is crazy.
You know Murdaugh drapped a jacket over his cuffs (in front) every time he exited the prison van .


Jmo

WOW!

 

[Cool Cats]

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Wow.

12 times phone pings on same tower his victims used. Suddenly this all stops after that night. To me this is circumstantial evidence.

 

[Sozo]

Wow.

12 times phone pings on same tower his victims used. Suddenly this all stops after that night. To me this is circumstantial evidence.

Let's say he pinged on the tower the King Road house used in summer( july, august) 8 times, then there was a big break, and he only pinged again in october or november 4 times.
If that's the case the not pinging again after nov 13 is not suspicious at all.
We need to know when those pings occured to determine that it's suspicious or not. What if all those 12 pings happened in summer. We just don't know. We know about only one date: august 21.

 

[maskedwoman]

I think that's coming from AT (the Defense) and we have no reason to disbelieve her. She was pretty much crowing about the fact that there's "no known" connection between BK, his apartment or car, and the victims (which I take to mean "no victim DNA or hair in any of those places.") A lot of people on the internet felt that unless there was victim blood/DNA somewhere in his car or home, that the DNA at the scene wasn't enough (!)

So, I was very very disappointed, but had prepared myself all along for it, because I believe the killer's main goal was to avoid a lot of blood on himself and that he took steps ("The Perfect Crime Planner" playbook) to keep victim blood out of his car.

If there is such evidence, than AT has denied its existence publicly. I guess it remains to be seen, at trial.

IMO.

I've been struggling with that issue. I know she can get into trouble for lying in sworn documents and I'm not saying she did that, but politicians parse the English language to their benefit all the time without "lying". Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but if you google "connection", the primary definition is "a relationship in which a person, thing, or idea is linked or associated with something else."

IMO, if you consider "known connection" in all the possible definitions, isn't the fact that his DNA was found on the sheath under one of the victims a "connection"? I wonder if she was using connection in a more narrow way? The fact that they apparently didn't have any friends in common, or attend the same classes or even the same school, or follow each other on social media, etc? She wouldn't be lying that there is no known connection, but it doesn't mean there is no evidence there.

Just a thought I've been having. MOOooo

 

[Chloegirl]

Wow.

12 times phone pings on same tower his victims used. Suddenly this all stops after that night. To me this is circumstantial evidence.

Definitely. Is Defense going to have the audacity to say he didn't go back because of the murders? No. JMOO

 

[Boxer]

I suspected Howard B was probably a complete dolt before this special, after hearing what he had to say, he removed any doubt.

Him stating that BK had no connection to the victims, therefore no motive, therefore no case is about as lame as it gets. The Prosecution doesn't have to prove motive. There are literally hundreds of stranger murders committed every year.

How can you explain the mind of a deranged mass murderer? You can't, but I would guess that BK was intent to destroy innocent, beautiful lives that night because he could never fit into that world.

I'm sick of hearing about HIS problems; overweight, bullied, VSS, etc. We need to remember the true victims here and they are:

Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan, may justice come mightily to them and their loved ones.

JMO

MOO crazy to expamd on a mirderers problems.
Millions and millions of people
struggle with issues and adversity and having people they like not like them and they dont kill people.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I just saw the 48 hours piece on BK, and the older Goncalves sister (Olivia) found Instagram links where BK followed both Maddie and Kaylee, as well as a lot of other people, and liked a lot of the pics both Kaylee and Maddie posted. She got screen shots before the account was deleted.

 

[Sozo]

Goncalves family is now saying they found BK's instagram before arrest and saw him following the girls but after the arrest the family said in interviews that they didn't know Bryan's name before the arrest. They were told only that an arrest was about to made. They learned his name the same time as the public.
Here's a clip from a TV interview where Alivea is talking about this.

There have been a bunch of preexisting accounts that had their usernames changed to his name once his name become public. And followed the girls.
His social media warrants are for reddit, tiktok, yikyak, twitter, strava and tinder no instagram.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Goncalves family is now saying they found BK's instagram before arrest and saw him following the girls but after the arrest the family said in interviews that they didn't know Bryan's name before the arrest. They were told only that an arrest was about to made.
Here's a clip from a TV interview where Alivea is talking about this.

There have been a bunch of preexisting accounts that had their usernames changed to his name once his name become public. And followed the girls.
His social media warrants are for reddit, tiktok, yikyak, twitter, strava and tinder no instagram.

Did you include the wrong clip? This clip doesn’t have Alivia talking about IG at all.

 

[Sozo]

Did you include the wrong clip? This clip doesn’t have Alivia talking about IG at all.

Yes i did. Here is the right one. At 12 minute mark. She is speaking about not knowing his name before arrest.

The point is that how could they find his instagram account if they didn't know his name before arrest. And how can they tell if the one they found is not a fake one, many popped up right after his arrest.

And there is this also.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11587027/amp/Idaho-murders-Victims-father-says-never-heard-suspect-Bryan-Kohberger.html&ved=2ahUKEwjmiPvK67KBAxVPgP0HHW3BDKkQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw00YjAca37zeuea6cCezhUF

 

[Cool Cats]

::Raises hand excitedly!!:: I have an explanation (which is the same as @kittythehare 's explanation).

He wore protective clothing and he cleaned compulsively after the murders! Neighbor said he had a habit of vacuuming at night. He ran bleach down his drains, did his laundry at an unknown laundromat.

But what he did, mainly, is choose a murder style that diminished the amount of blood he got on himself (keeping the comforter between himself and his first victim, IMO, and attempting to do the same with his second). He still stepped in blood, with at least one foot. I do not think he had blood dripping from his knife (he had a black coverall on, IMO, which he removed before getting into the car)

How the State will make this argument in court, I do not know. Hopefully they will have at least one blood spatter expert who is willing to talk about things that murderers can do to prevent more blood evidence. The Van's should be the focus. Killer wore a certain shoe, it got bloody, he had a month and many opportunities to destroy/rid himself of those Van's.

It'll be a crucial part of the case, at trial, I think.

IMO.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/idaho-killings-suspect-bryan-kohberger-friday/index.html

CNN —
The man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students in November had thoroughly cleaned the interior and exterior of his car and was also seen wearing surgical gloves multiple times before being apprehended, a law enforcement source tells CNN.

Kohberger, who was pursuing a PhD in criminal justice at Washington State University at the time of the killings, “cleaned his car, inside and outside, not missing an inch,” according to the law enforcement source.

This is where BK's criminal study can be used, that he is educated in criminology and intelligent and had lots of time to plan how to not leave victim blood traces.That he was meticulous with gloves, hiding trash, 6 weeks to meticulously clean his car witnessed by LE, possible bleach use and bleach purchases, possible purchases showing items to hide blood
etc...

Plus, there are other cases of murderers leaving blood all over and footprints but no blood is found to have transferred to their vehicles.

Accused University of Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger ‘never slept’

“He’s normally a very late-night person, going to the bathroom and vacuuming at 1 or 12 in the morning,” the neighbor said.

nypost.com

This article mentions the vacuuming but I can't find the "bleach down the drain" or using a laundromat.

Interesting tidbit:

BK's downstairs apartment neighbor said she once saw someone who looked like another young female student get out of Kohberger’s white car, but they parted ways and went to their own apartments.

The neighbor, also a graduate student, said she and the accused killer would say hello to each other in passing, and she once heard Kohberger bring a woman home. She didn’t see the woman, but the walls are thin, so she heard Kohberger and the woman talking.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Yes i did. Here is the right one. At 12 minute mark. She is speaking about not knowing his name before arrest.

The point is that how could they find his instagram account if they didn't know his name before arrest. And how can they tell if the one they found is not a fake one, many popped up right after his arrest.

And there is this also.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11587027/amp/Idaho-murders-Victims-father-says-never-heard-suspect-Bryan-Kohberger.html&ved=2ahUKEwjmiPvK67KBAxVPgP0HHW3BDKkQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw00YjAca37zeuea6cCezhUF

Good point about there not being a search warrant for any BK Instagram account if true, MOO.

There’s nothing unusual about the victims’ families not knowing a suspect’s name before an arrest is made, MOO.

Also, you might/might not find the transcript for last night’s 48 Hours helpful regarding the family’s actions once BK’s name was publicly announced:
“Alivea Goncalves: I remember thinking I only have a few minutes … to look up this individual and to try and get any credible information before things start getting wonky.”

And
“In the minutes after Bryan Kohberger was publicly named, the Goncalves family went online.

Kristi Goncalves: They told us the name and we immediately started Googling.”

 

[arielilane]

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys fight over footage of his crotch

Earlier this month, Kohberger appeared in court for a status hearing where he decided to waive his right to a speedy trial.

www.newsweek.com

I still think this is crazy.
You know Murdaugh drapped a jacket over his cuffs (in front) every time he exited the prison van .


Jmo

Good grief, really?

 

[Sozo]

In this interview Brian Entin is talking about knowing his name before it got public and immediately searching for his socials and not finding anything with his name, no instagram account.

 

[Megnut]

Yes i did. Here is the right one. At 12 minute mark. She is speaking about not knowing his name before arrest.

The point is that how could they find his instagram account if they didn't know his name before arrest. And how can they tell if the one they found is not a fake one, many popped up right after his arrest.

And there is this also.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11587027/amp/Idaho-murders-Victims-father-says-never-heard-suspect-Bryan-Kohberger.html&ved=2ahUKEwjmiPvK67KBAxVPgP0HHW3BDKkQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw00YjAca37zeuea6cCezhUF

Just a guess but possibly the family took screenshots of all the comments and likes, early. And once BK was named/arrested, voila, there sat his name, right there in the screenshots, captured historically.

Jmo

 

[justtrish]

Wow.

12 times phone pings on same tower his victims used. Suddenly this all stops after that night. To me this is circumstantial evidence.

Definitely! What would be more likely if he were innocent is that his phone never pinged in the area until the day the murders were discovered and in the days after. I think college age kids would be more likely to be driving by after a crime was announced to be looking or trying to see what the police were doing.. THAT would be normal, but no not Mr. Kohberger the criminal justice super star.. he didn't want to go by there at all to "help" the police with all his "expertise". Seems his behavior is exactly that of someone that is guilty and wanting to steer clear of the police activity.. well except when he went back by that morning BEFORE anyone knew anything.. maybe to see why nobody had discovered his handy work yet??

 

[justtrish]

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys fight over footage of his crotch

Earlier this month, Kohberger appeared in court for a status hearing where he decided to waive his right to a speedy trial.

www.newsweek.com

I still think this is crazy.
You know Murdaugh drapped a jacket over his cuffs (in front) every time he exited the prison van .


Jmo

I'm speechless.. I haven't seen one mention of his crotch. Just why? Nobody is looking there nor do cameras in the courtroom want to focus there. I've seen some crazy defense ideas/distractions/red herrings.. but this has to be the top of the coo coo list.

 

[Cool Cats]

In this interview Brian Entin is talking about knowing his name before it got public and immediately searching for his socials and not finding anything with his name, no instagram account.

People use aliases on SM all the time and Entin could only do internet searches, he didn't have search warrants to any SM which would reveal BK's ATT account and his IP address and his email address that is required to use to sign up, etc... Make your Instagram account private | Instagram …

Entin is scarce on sources citing "I was told."

People magazine saw a BK's account so they could collaborate the LE source that said BK messaged and "pestered" a victim who ignored him.

There is a ton of online presence related to BK.

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