4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[Megnut]

SBM

Of course they didn't. They didn't have BK's DNA.

This really shows IMO how crafting AT is.

 

[wendy44]

SBM

IF they could get evidence from the prosecution, the defense could have it tested, but then the prosecution would claim the tests were wrong/biased. And it is obvious that the prosecution does not want to share any DNA evidence with the defense. What the defense has been able to get, has only been through force via the judges in this case deciding what they can have. JMO.

The transcript says otherwise. Nye said in response to the independent testing done by the defense on the trash pull (page 170):

In the reply they attached this saying, Well, we looked at it and it was his. That's sufficient. I don't plan on arguing that point.
They got the evidence to test. They tested. The prosecution accepted their testing.
JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

 

[schooling]

IF they could get evidence from the prosecution, the defense could have it tested, but then the prosecution would claim the tests were wrong/biased. And it is obvious that the prosecution does not want to share any DNA evidence with the defense. What the defense has been able to get, has only been through force via the judges in this case deciding what they can have. JMO.

That entire house was a crime scene with the exception of DM and BF's rooms, perhaps - and we don't even know that for certain, yet. Blood on a bannister is strong evidence because it had to have been deposited in the house and logically was deposited at the time of the crime. Blood on gloves found by CSI just outside the residence is also strong evidence because someone wore those gloves and bled on them. I would expect that the gloves would not only contain the unknown male blood DNA but also touch/trace evidence and even blood possibly of the victims. If both are present, then it is likely the gloves were used in commission of the crimes. JMO.

Touch/trace DNA could have gotten onto that sheath anywhere, anytime and have nothing to do with the crime at all. JMO.

The killer or killers had to enter and leave somehow - either via the back door or the front door or a window. There may have been one point of ingress and a second point of egress or even 2 or more points of ingress and and 2 or more points of egress. We have no real way of knowing where the killer or killers went in 1122. Early in the case LE admitted they didn't know the point of entry or exit. They can only go off of what DM and BF told them but it seems DM isn't sure what happened at all. JMO.

Unknown male DNA B and D could help prove this case against BK IF it turns out that B and D are people BK knew. But we have a complete lack of information about these two critical pieces of evidence. JMO.

I believe it cost around $11,000 to run the IGG on the touch/transfer DNA on the sheath. Financially, another $22,000 to do IGG on these other 2 DNA's is a whole lot cheaper than being sued for millions by the families of the victims and a potentially falsely accused person, if it should come to that. JMO.

JMOO.

If B and D 'knew' BK. We would have known about it now. I see this theory floating around there a lot...usually combined with some sort of grand drug conspiracy. And as Howard Blum's book told us all drug connections fell flat. And take it from AT herself ...there is no connection. JMO

Also, the defense has a budget. If AT thought that the DNA would get them somewhere she would have tested both samples by now. Instead they are wasting time and money (IMO and MOO) on conspiracies and bluster and being called on bluffs.

Their performance might be another avenue for appeal for BK, MOO.

MOO

 

[dkaras]

Reading these DNA posts...I have to ask: Why does the IGG identification matter at all once the literal cheek swab from BK matches the sheath from the probable murder weapon that was found under/near the victims? I am asking in all seriousness. BK's DNA matches with utmost octillion (bazillion lol) certainty to the knife sheath DNA. Why does the IGG DNA matter at this point?

So then, shouldn't BK/attorneys be focusing on how a knife sheath with his (and ONLY his, single-source multiple-octillion to one matching) DNA ended up in that house, rather than driving around wherever else besides that house (even though a car that looks just like his car was seen driving around that house...but coincidence I guess, whatever)?

Maybe one of BK's 97000 cousins was in town at the same time driving the same/similar type of car?

ALL IMO, JMO. But serious question at the start.

 

[Arkay]

Reading these DNA posts...I have to ask: Why does the IGG identification matter at all once the literal cheek swab from BK matches the sheath from the probable murder weapon that was found under/near the victims? I am asking in all seriousness. BK's DNA matches with utmost octillion (bazillion lol) certainty to the knife sheath DNA. Why does the IGG DNA matter at this point?

So then, shouldn't BK/attorneys be focusing on how a knife sheath with his (and ONLY his, single-source multiple-octillion to one matching) DNA ended up in that house, rather than driving around wherever else besides that house (even though a car that looks just like his car was seen driving around that house...but coincidence I guess, whatever)?

Maybe one of BK's 97000 cousins was in town at the same time driving the same/similar type of car?

ALL IMO, JMO. But serious question at the start.

Yes.

This is the exact heart of the matter.

Bryan’s DNA is there. There in an incriminating spot. On the snap of the knife sheath, lying beneath a victim knifed to death. In a bedroom of a house he claims to have never entered. No other DNA found on the snap but his.

His lawyers have tried to get the DNA thrown out, to no avail, so now they are like flat-Earthers, denying the science.

I agree completely with your post.

IMO

 

[jepop]

Reading these DNA posts...I have to ask: Why does the IGG identification matter at all once the literal cheek swab from BK matches the sheath from the probable murder weapon that was found under/near the victims? I am asking in all seriousness. BK's DNA matches with utmost octillion (bazillion lol) certainty to the knife sheath DNA. Why does the IGG DNA matter at this point?

So then, shouldn't BK/attorneys be focusing on how a knife sheath with his (and ONLY his, single-source multiple-octillion to one matching) DNA ended up in that house, rather than driving around wherever else besides that house (even though a car that looks just like his car was seen driving around that house...but coincidence I guess, whatever)?

Maybe one of BK's 97000 cousins was in town at the same time driving the same/similar type of car?

ALL IMO, JMO. But serious question at the start.

That's the point the state has been making from the very beginning; conducting of IGG research/ process isn't material evidence pointing to a suspect's guilt or innocence. It's an investigative procedure that produces a tip. The tip is a name that investigators then can follow up on. That is exactly what happened in this case, culminating in the trash pull which tied BK to the suspect profile on the sheathe button via the paternal test of trash dna. Sufficient PC for arrest, unquestionably. Moo. Post arrest BK's buccal swab confirmed a direct match.

ETA moo we don't really know what BK's attorneys will concentrate on but my guess is that it is definately going to include some speculation via expert about secondary transfer. That will be weak imo and shot down by state experts. It's not clear moo if the IGG will make it into evidence or if it did what restrictions will be placed around eliciting of testimony. ie relevance as the investigative method is not material to guilt or innocence. The debate is more on these threads than evidenced in the 23 Jan hearing transcript imo.

Evidentiary hearings will be interesting. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Reading these DNA posts...I have to ask: Why does the IGG identification matter at all once the literal cheek swab from BK matches the sheath from the probable murder weapon that was found under/near the victims? I am asking in all seriousness. BK's DNA matches with utmost octillion (bazillion lol) certainty to the knife sheath DNA. Why does the IGG DNA matter at this point?

So then, shouldn't BK/attorneys be focusing on how a knife sheath with his (and ONLY his, single-source multiple-octillion to one matching) DNA ended up in that house, rather than driving around wherever else besides that house (even though a car that looks just like his car was seen driving around that house...but coincidence I guess, whatever)?

Maybe one of BK's 97000 cousins was in town at the same time driving the same/similar type of car?

ALL IMO, JMO. But serious question at the start.

You’re absolutely correct, the only thing that matters is the fact that the sheath DNA unequivocally matches a single person on earth. BK.

IGG mattered up until a few days ago though, as the defense was trying to get it thrown out, along with everything that came from it.

That’s of course a moot point now.

Now that that evidence is in, the defense will shift gears to discrediting the sheath dna, and point fingers at any unidentified dna.

 

[SteveP]

Reading these DNA posts...I have to ask: Why does the IGG identification matter at all once the literal cheek swab from BK matches the sheath from the probable murder weapon that was found under/near the victims? I am asking in all seriousness. BK's DNA matches with utmost octillion (bazillion lol) certainty to the knife sheath DNA. Why does the IGG DNA matter at this point?

So then, shouldn't BK/attorneys be focusing on how a knife sheath with his (and ONLY his, single-source multiple-octillion to one matching) DNA ended up in that house, rather than driving around wherever else besides that house (even though a car that looks just like his car was seen driving around that house...but coincidence I guess, whatever)?

Maybe one of BK's 97000 cousins was in town at the same time driving the same/similar type of car?

ALL IMO, JMO. But serious question at the start.

Yep, if BK is not the killer, he is the unluckiest man alive. How anyone can doubt that he is, in the face of everything we have already learned of, which is probably still only a fraction of what we will learn at trial, is beyond my comprehension. JMO

 

[Sor Juana]

90 white Elantras were registered to park on campus

In the "primary contact" field, many were left blank, however the document included plate numbers for all but one of the cars. According to the university's website, total enrollment last semester was about 11,500.

 

[dkaras]

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IGG mattered up until a few days ago though, as the defense was trying to get it thrown out, along with everything that came from it.

RSBM.

The defense was trying to get the IGG thrown out but how does that matter if they did, since the cheek swab from BK after arrest matched the sheath DNA?

I guess I don't understand how getting the IGG thrown out even matters. Or was it that they were trying to use the IGG stuff to throw out ALL the DNA that was collected?

 

[jepop]

RSBM.

The defense was trying to get the IGG thrown out but how does that matter if they did, since the cheek swab from BK after arrest matched the sheath DNA?

I guess I don't understand how getting the IGG thrown out even matters. Or was it that they were trying to use the IGG stuff to throw out ALL the DNA that was collected?

It was a failed poisonous tree argument. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

RSBM.

The defense was trying to get the IGG thrown out but how does that matter if they did, since the cheek swab from BK after arrest matched the sheath DNA?

I guess I don't understand how getting the IGG thrown out even matters. Or was it that they were trying to use the IGG stuff to throw out ALL the DNA that was collected?

So it mattered because as a result of that IGG, they developed a name. As a result of that name, they began obtaining warrants. So that would potentially have resulted in all those search warrants being thrown out (Apple, Google, Phone provider, Amazon, etc).

Fruit of the poisonous tree and all that.

So they'd basically be left with surveillance footage, and a DNA match. I think.

 

[dkaras]

It was a failed poisonous tree argument. Jmo

Thank you, so I looked this up, please pardon my ignorance on this! So...if IGG didn't lead them to BK, he shouldn't have been arrested, is the argument. So then they shouldn't have had his cheek swab DNA. Is that the argument?

OK, if so, I suppose I can see that as an argument. But in the end, the cheek DNA matched his DNA, and the car matched his car. He wasn't the only guy investigated. DNA was taken from other potential suspects, other cars of that make model were looked at. So... he wasn't railroaded, he wasn't the only person looked at because someone had it out for him, and IMO the judge rightfully ruled in favor of the State on these issues.

AT is a good defense attorney. I'm sure she's raising these issues for appeal and/or to save her client from the DP. But IMO there's no railroading going on here or wrongful investigation tactics going on. It's a long reach at this point to say BK is truly innocent of the crime (not "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" innocent). Just based on what we know so far, I'd need to see some verifiable alibi information and/or a real alternate suspect AND some explanation as to how his (DNA on the...) knife sheath was where it was at the time of the crime.

All IMO JMO.

I learn so much here!

 

[MassGuy]

90 white Elantras were registered to park on campus

Fortunately, only one Elantra owner on earth left his DNA on the sheath to the murder weapon.

 

[AcousticViper]

90 white Elantras were registered to park on campus

All model years, since 2018.

"Partially redacted public records obtained by Fox News Digital show 90 white Hyundai Elantras have been registered for campus parking between the start of the fall 2018 semester and December 2022."

That part often is left out.

 

[MassGuy]

All model years, since 2018.

"Partially redacted public records obtained by Fox News Digital show 90 white Hyundai Elantras have been registered for campus parking between the start of the fall 2018 semester and December 2022."

That part often is left out.

Lol, it gets even more useless with this:

However, the documents also included Elantras from outside the model year range of the car that police are looking for.

It was not immediately clear how many of the cars on the list did fall into that range, because many fields for model year were left blank.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It shows BK was aware of one or more of them, plus his 12 drive by trips of the house from August up to the murders made usually late at night. Not just a coincidence, and I don't believe he was just out stargazing in their location.

SBMFF.

There is no evidence BK ever drove by the house on any of those 12 incidents. Him being in Moscow does not mean he drove by the house.

MOO.

 

[Megnut]

Fortunately, only one Elantra owner on earth left his DNA on the sheath to the murder weapon.

Whose alibi is that he was out driving that night.

Trifucta.

JMO

 

[fcavanaugh]

Fortunately, only one Elantra owner on earth left his DNA on the sheath to the murder weapon.

Say it louder for the people in the back!

IMHOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Respectfully, I believe you may be forgetting or perhaps not aware? that there is other corroborating evidence implicating BK besides just his single source 5 octillionzillion DNA on the sheath:
his white Elantra on surveillance circling the home before the murders and quickly exiting the area after the murders occured;
had his phone off during the murder window; returned to/drove by the crime scene later that morning.

That is only corroborating evidence if they can prove it was HIS white Elantra. There is no proof of this as far as I know. There's no video that shows the driver or gives any evidence that it is his car.

As far as I know, we also don't know that he drove by the crime scene later that morning. I'm not sure where that came from.

Not to mention his laughable alibi that he was driving around stargazing at the time in question while his phone was off and his vehicle is on camera circling the house (before going in for the kill imo) and exiting area right after.

Again, you're mixing up facts with theory here. Yes, he submitted an alibi about stargazing. We don't know if his phone was off or out of a service area (last I heard) and again, we don't know that is his vehicle. That is a white Elantra. He drives a white Elantra. But there is no evidence that is his white Elantra. The prosecution will have to prove that in court.

MOO