4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[fcavanaugh]

How does one go about deciding what one is likely to accidentally leave behind? Before leaving a murder scene, does one check to make sure he has his drivers license in his possession, because getting stopped and not being able to produce it at 4:30am would be bad, but feels it not important to make sure he has all of the murder weapon.

Sorry, but I'm not getting whatever point it is this post is trying to make. Btw, I have accidentally left home without my drivers license, without my wallet and credit cards, and I have accidentally left my cellphone at another's home. Don't really believe that the likelihood of doing any of those things is really slim, and that is not even when leaving the scene of 4 brutal murders. I would think the likelihood of skedaddling very quickly would take precedence over checking to make sure you have everything you mean to take with you in an instance like that. JMO

RBBM
I know right?! I can only imagine the adrenaline rush a killer likely/probably? must feel after knifing 4 people to death. Of course we can’t know for sure what any killer is thinking or feeling during the act and afterwards unless they tell us/decide to talk someday,
but my best guess is that after the brutal deed was done, BK was running on adrenaline and all he could think of was getting the he!! outta dodge as quickly as possible before the po-po were called.

I’m on the fence about whether he forgot to take the knife sheath in haste, or left it there purposely as a signature not realizing his DNA was on a portion of the snap. I’m just glad it was found where it was left under/near MM as imo it’s the hugest, most important piece of evidence that we know about so far linking/tying BK to the victims, crime/crime scene.

IMHOO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Interesting discussion and debate on this point of things forgotten or missed. By an apparent murderer. The key unknown in this case is if the suspect realized the knife sheath was left - when was that fact realized?

It is not possible IMO to know the thought process of such an individual. Nor of an individual possibly rushing to escape the scene of a slaying of four individuals.

But two scenarios are possible perhaps? 1) If it was left deliberately, as a ‘signature’ perhaps - that was a grave miscalculation it now seems? Because if it was thought to have been ‘forensically’ cleaned it was not. And 2) If it was accidentally left, when realized it was likely too late to retrieve.

In either event as @MassGuy posited a ways back - oh to have been able to observe what the suspect thought at any of those realizations.

Maybe more will be revealed in the trial. With evidence. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Today's updated docket:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-02242025.pdf

 

[Megnut]

Today's updated docket:
View attachment 566206

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Case-Summary-Kohberger-02242025.pdf

SODDI and alibi!

Bring it!

 

[jepop]

SODDI and alibi!

Bring it!

Finally the 'alibi' re-emerges! I was wondering when the P would re- address with Hippler its woeful ambiguity and non compliance with ICRs. As far as I can tell, 'alibi' question remained unresolved since the days of Triple J. Certainly I don't think we've seen court Clerk Trent Tripple(!) for Hippler upload anything directly relevant.

 

[vls12345]

SODDI and alibi!

Bring it!

But don't bring it if SODDI is an Odinist....

 

[Shamrock1]

So what? BK is not an ordinary man, and he has a diagnosis to confirm that. However, this speaks more in his defense than against him. I find it hard to picture someone with OCD not putting the sheath back on a $300 knife and walking out of the house without a thorough clean-up. In fact, his specific traits make him an unlikely candidate to actually use a knife for murder, even if he wanted to commit one. He is too clumsy for such an exercise. JMO.

OCD is not needing everything neat, sanitary, and organized. It’s intrusive and irrational thoughts like “my family will die in a fire if I put out the garbage before 9pm.” The irrational action quiets the intrusive thoughts, and the person is typically aware that there’s no logical connection between the two. The “television” version of OCD (in which OCD is used as shorthand for tidiness) is quite different from reality. JMO.

 

[INfisherman]

SODDI and alibi!

Bring it!

Don’t sing it, bring it! Dude’s gonna FAFO.

But don't bring it if SODDI is an Odinist....

Reecee cup just boarded an airplane bound for Boise, uncle in tow.

Kidding, of course.

 

[mickey2942]

It would be interesting to know the social history of BK. I would be interested to know if he has dated someone. From what limited information we have had, I wonder if BK is really a virginal Incel. And I keep circling back, to whether this is BK's first kill. Maybe he has done other stabbings, unsolved.

 

[Gigiky]

I often wonder how the conversations goes between BK and AT and how much direction he gives her. When I see him on TV his eyes all ways look so big and wide. Like he is taking everything in like a little sponge. I get the feeling this all a master to class to him. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just a refresher:

<snipped & BBM>
The hierarchy of evidence in US law can be broadly categorized into two main types: direct evidence and circumstantial evidence. Let’s explore each category in detail:

1. Direct Evidence: Direct evidence is testimony or physical evidence that directly proves a fact without any need for inference or interpretation. It is considered the strongest form of proof because it directly establishes a fact. For example:

– Eyewitness testimony: A witness who saw a crime being committed and can testify about what they saw.
– Surveillance footage: Video evidence that captures the actual events as they occurred.
– Confessions: Statements made by a defendant admitting to committing a crime.

2. Circumstantial Evidence: Circumstantial evidence is evidence that indirectly proves a fact through inference or deduction. Although it may not provide direct proof, it can still be highly persuasive. Circumstantial evidence relies on logical reasoning and the interpretation of facts. Examples include:

– Fingerprints: Although fingerprints don’t directly prove someone committed a crime, they can link the individual to the scene.
– DNA evidence: DNA matching between a suspect and biological material found at a crime scene can strongly suggest guilt.
– Motive and opportunity: Circumstantial evidence may include evidence of motive or opportunity, which can help establish guilt.

Understanding the Weight of Evidence in Court Proceedings: Unveiling the Strongest Forms of Proof ▷ Law Education - Rey Abogado

Bye, bye, bye Bry.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Oh, but the driver's license is a very different thing.
How often would you drive around without one?
A driver's license, a cellphone, maybe a credit card or a phone-linked pay are necessary. Maybe a gun for some. The chance of leaving these somewhere accidentally is really slim.

Now, the knife sheath is different. I can imagine it being left somewhere and never retrieved.

This is the point of the thought experiment

What you are saying, is the uncertainty, such as it is, lies in the DNA verification. If we reduce that to zero, you can see that the unknown DNA actually has no probative power. Because it has no probative power in any scenario.

The guilt of BK depends on the reliability of the DNA identification and the other circumstantial evidence. The unknown DNA does not make his guilt more or less likely.

IMO

 

[Kemug]

I strongly believe that BK left the sheath behind deliberately - which turned out to be the biggest mistake of his life. And if he hadn't left his DNA on it, he would almost certainly have killed again by now. And maybe left another sheath. He must be seething with rage inside himself.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I strongly believe that BK left the sheath behind deliberately - which turned out to be the biggest mistake of his life. And if he hadn't left his DNA on it, he would almost certainly have killed again by now. And maybe left another sheath. He must be seething with rage inside himself.

Very possible @Kemug and I agree 100% he would have killed again if not arrested here.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I would like to see a timeline of the household laid over BK's timeline from let's say midnight onward.

Where was BK when MM and KG were texting KG's (ex)bf? Where was BK when bedroom lights were on and off?

I'm curious too to know if BK had any awareness of the presence of another person (the doordash driver), did he encounter that vehicle on his arrival?

What exactly prevented him from stopping on the earlier approaches?

Did he know -- or care -- who was there that night?

If I assume that he didn't intend to leave the sheath, I assume further that he didn't expect a battle. I can only conclude that he didn't expect to find two people in bed, and while a military-grade knife like that is the most unfair advantage, he wasn't prepared for a sudden moving target. One he needed to silence, not also reach, as she was on the far side of the bed, on the other side of his first victim. He's tall, room is small, bed hugs the wall. Did he reach across, fighting now like a swordsman? Not stabbing, swiping? Did he mount the bed?

I always come back to the anomalies that night. 1. KG being there. And with her, Murphy. 2. Not just KG being there but because of the novelty of her visit, she wasn't in her old room but in MM's. 3. XK being awake. 4. EC being there.

Looks like 4 things BK might not have prepared for.

Which means he may have prepared for a vastly different crime than the one he left behind.

And had those 4 things not been in place, would the sheath have been left behind? Would DM have heard anything? Would BK have had to drive by as many times as he did? Lights might have been out much, much earlier.

Had BK approached only once, parked, entered in silence, murdered MM in silence, would he have lingered? Was that part of his fantasy, such that he had one? To watch her "sleep"? And had he left as silently as he entered, where would this investigation be?

LE would have at least some cctv of the white Elantra...

But no DNA. No witness. No immediate timestamp.

Just one presumably targeted murder, no suspect.

And an emboldened murderer who learned something new, how easy it was.

I wonder how long he would have waited to strike again.

JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

CNN February 25, 2025 online article by Holly Yan and Jean Casarez entitled ‘New details emerge in the case against Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students’:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/us/bryan-kohberger-hearing-idaho-students-stabbing/index.html

Some details in here regarding evidence samples and IGG, etc.

 

[Justice101]

Thanks, Arkay.
I share my experiences here only because so many people have got it so wrong about OCD. The overly clean thing drives me crazy. Like @gremlin444 said, if only that applied to my son!
You could sit ten people with OCD in a room and have ten entirely different stories about their rituals and how deeply or not it affects their lives.
A sense of humor is vitally important for friends and family!
Thanks for listening, thanks for caring.

I'm not OCD but my wife is mildly that way.

Has to rearrange all dished in dishwasher before starting... even if only one small dish is 2 slots over and not next to the other tall ones.

I honestly don't know how she gets by sometimes.. She is extremely inefficient and takes 2 to 3 times as long to finish any task. I feel sorry for her.

I often wonder how the conversations goes between BK and AT and how much direction he gives her. When I see him on TV his eyes all ways look so big and wide. Like he is taking everything in like a little sponge. I get the feeling this all a master to class to him. JMO

It's got to be awkward... because she cannot ask him if he did it, if he says yes then doesn't it happen that she can't ethically defend him?

So.. they probably play the game that AT tells BK what evidence is against him and she comes up with a suggestion for how to rebutt it.. Gotta get kind of old hearing BS answers from BK. IMHO

 

[Justice101]

Interesting read on the effort to use IGG in this case and who did what..

At least interesting to me. This may have already been link so if so, apologize ahead of time.

New details emerge in the case against Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students

 

[SteveP]

I strongly believe that BK left the sheath behind deliberately - which turned out to be the biggest mistake of his life. And if he hadn't left his DNA on it, he would almost certainly have killed again by now. And maybe left another sheath. He must be seething with rage inside himself.

I have never given a lot of thought to the idea that BK left the knife sheath behind intentionally, but it is a scary thought, worthy of consideration. We know that he studied under an expert in serial killers, who had an academic relationship and friendship with the BTK killer, so it is very likely, imo, that BK had also studied BTK, who became a criminal justice student after he began killing. Had BK perhaps even communicated with him at some point? As a doctoral student in criminology, he surely had studied other serial killers as well, so it really is not a leap to suggest that he may have a fascination with them. Did he fancy himself as the next notorious serial killer? 'BTK' certainly was a memorable moniker. Was BK going to become the Ka-Bar Killer, leaving a signature sheath behind? 'KBK' sounds a lot like 'BTK', doesn't it?

I really believe that the sheath fell out of his pocket, during the struggle to kill KG, who apparently put up a helluva struggle, and was not missed until it was too late to go back and look for it, but the thought that he may have intentionally left it in the bed with the butchered young women is enough to send shivers up the spine. The thought that, had he not slipped up and gotten caught, he would have killed again, is even more frightening. JMO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I have never given a lot of thought to the idea that BK left the knife sheath behind intentionally, but it is a scary thought, worthy of consideration. We know that he studied under an expert in serial killers, who had an academic relationship and friendship with the BTK killer, so it is very likely, imo, that BK had also studied BTK, who became a criminal justice student after he began killing. Had BK perhaps even communicated with him at some point? As a doctoral student in criminology, he surely had studied other serial killers as well, so it really is not a leap to suggest that he may have a fascination with them. Did he fancy himself as the next notorious serial killer? 'BTK' certainly was a memorable moniker. Was BK going to become the Ka-Bar Killer, leaving a signature sheath behind? 'KBK' sounds a lot like 'BTK', doesn't it?

I really believe that the sheath fell out of his pocket, during the struggle to kill, KG, who apparently put up a struggle, and was not missed until it was too late to go back and look for it, but the thought that he did leave it in the bed with the butchered young women is enough to send shivers up the spine. The thought that, had he not slipped up and gotten caught, he would have killed again, is even more frightening. JMO

I'm sure I remember early on in the case, when it was revealed that Kohberger studied unde the professor who wrote a book about BTK, his daughter making a statement that to her knowledge BK hadn't been in contact with her father.
I will see if I can find anything to back that up, but for now just take it as my opinion because it's very possible that I'm wrong!