4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[Rolypolyoly]

Here's one

https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/btk-killers-daughter-was-sick-to-learn-about-kohberger/

 

[SteveP]

I'm sure I remember early on in the case, when it was revealed that Kohberger studied unde the professor who wrote a book about BTK, his daughter making a statement that to her knowledge BK hadn't been in contact with her father.
I will see if I can find anything to back that up, but for now just take it as my opinion because it's very possible that I'm wrong!

I do remember her saying that, to her knowledge, he had not, but would she have known everyone that he communicated with, even by mail or phone call?

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I do remember her saying that, to her knowledge, he had not, but would she have known everyone that he communicated with, even by mail or phone call?

I wouldn't think so tbf, in all honesty she probably wouldn't want to know who was communicating with him!.

 

[Megnut]

And he may have been working under pennames...

After the trial, I wonder if we'll hear from his professors. Probably not, because professionalism is built into their vocations, but I'm curious whether his fascinations became evident or obvious in hindsight. A doctoral interest in criminal psychology is not unique or even suspicious, but a mass murderer who was neck deep in criminal psychology is... chilling.

JMO

 

[Arkay]

I really believe that the sheath fell out of his pocket, during the struggle to kill KG, who apparently put up a helluva struggle, and was not missed until it was too late to go back and look for it, but the thought that he may have intentionally left it in the bed with the butchered young women is enough to send shivers up the spine. The thought that, had he not slipped up and gotten caught, he would have killed again, is even more frightening. JMO

Of course I have no proof and it’s just my feelings about this, but I don’t believe he intentionally left the sheath behind.

IMO things became more complicated than he’d pictured. Maddie and Kaylee together in the bed, Xana and Ethan fighting him, frenzied stabbing, and he lost it. Physically lost the sheath and mentally “lost it” when his imagined scenario became more complex.

I think he was exhausted though satiated by killing them and just made that one grievous error (thankfully). Maybe he didn’t see the sheath was positioned as it was by Maddie and just hightailed it out of there.

If he was signaling something by leaving the sheath intentionally, I don’t see it.

OR I’m totally wrong. Who knows?

JMO

 

[Gigiky]

Of course I have no proof and it’s just my feelings about this, but I don’t believe he intentionally left the sheath behind.

IMO things became more complicated than he’d pictured. Maddie and Kaylee together in the bed, Xana and Ethan fighting him, frenzied stabbing, and he lost it. Physically lost the sheath and mentally “lost it” when his imagined scenario became more complex.

I think he was exhausted though satiated by killing them and just made that one grievous error (thankfully). Maybe he didn’t see the sheath was positioned as it was by Maddie and just hightailed it out of there.

If he was signaling something by leaving the sheath intentionally, I don’t see it.

OR I’m totally wrong. Who knows?

JMO

I agree. Why would he have obviously taken so much precaution not to leave behind any DNA.
JMO that he was in a rage and lost all sight of his plan.

 

[Justice101]

I have never given a lot of thought to the idea that BK left the knife sheath behind intentionally, but it is a scary thought, worthy of consideration. We know that he studied under an expert in serial killers, who had an academic relationship and friendship with the BTK killer, so it is very likely, imo, that BK had also studied BTK, who became a criminal justice student after he began killing. Had BK perhaps even communicated with him at some point? As a doctoral student in criminology, he surely had studied other serial killers as well, so it really is not a leap to suggest that he may have a fascination with them. Did he fancy himself as the next notorious serial killer? 'BTK' certainly was a memorable moniker. Was BK going to become the Ka-Bar Killer, leaving a signature sheath behind? 'KBK' sounds a lot like 'BTK', doesn't it?

I really believe that the sheath fell out of his pocket, during the struggle to kill KG, who apparently put up a helluva struggle, and was not missed until it was too late to go back and look for it, but the thought that he may have intentionally left it in the bed with the butchered young women is enough to send shivers up the spine. The thought that, had he not slipped up and gotten caught, he would have killed again, is even more frightening. JMO

If he planted the sheath on purpose, I could see him sending some sort of a cypher or encrypted message to the local newspaper.. although that would have been VERY risky. He would have mailed it from some remote outdoor mailbox in some other city.

Sorry for straying again... but I just think the fact that the sheath was clean of DNA except for the inside of the snap.. and him probably wearing gloves in the house, that he planned to leave it there.

But honestly, I think we will never ever know. He certainly won't tell. But that was his one and only major critical error.

 

[Megnut]

Visual snow.... easier or harder to see at night? Did he stand in the shadows to acclimate to night vision, then enter MM's room? How was he able to see at all?

Easy to imagine missing DM as his eyes reacclimated to the light from the GoodTimes sign...

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I don't know that we've talked about this. Bedroom doors. Locks.

Did BK know the doors had locks? Did he know the address, studied online photos like many of us did? Had he been inside previously?

How did he get into MM's bedroom? Was her door not locked?

Could it be that Murphy reacted to the Door Dash delivery (and or BK), KG put him in her bedroom, went down the stairs, saw Door Dash driver through a window, or BK himself, said 'there's someone there' as she ran back upstairs, and BK made it into the room before it locked? She dives into bed because there's literally nowhere else to go, first trying to protect MM, then herself...

JMO

 

[Gigiky]

I would think is BK had this visual snow thing he shouldn't be allowed to drive.

 

[gremlin444]

Visual snow.... easier or harder to see at night? Did he stand in the shadows to acclimate to night vision, then enter MM's room? How was he able to see at all?

Easy to imagine missing DM as his eyes reacclimated to the light from the GoodTimes sign...

JMO

It varies widely per person. My son sees better at night because artificial lighting makes his snow worse.

 

[iamshadow21]

I would think is BK had this visual snow thing he shouldn't be allowed to drive.

My partner has VSS and constant migraine aura(20+years) and she's the safest driver I know. Only one accident in nearly three decades of driving, and that was when someone else wasn't paying attention and rear ended us when we braked to avoid another driver suddenly crossing an unbroken line way too close to us in front, so, none of it was her fault.

You can't generalise like that. Sure, some folks with VSS won't or can't drive, I'm sure, but there will be millions out there who are perfectly safe behind the wheel.

Out of the two of us, I'M the one who doesn't drive, because my anxiety is too bad. You're safer with her, whether she's seeing static or oilslick rainbows or starbursts that day.

Tl;dr, whether he's to be trusted around the silverware is up to a jury, but BK is entirely likely to be fine behind the wheel if his VSS hasn't led to him having accidents over what I assume is over a decade of driving. As far as I know, the only traffic issues we know about were him rolling into an intersection and following too close, which a large proportion of drivers are guilty of doing at times.

MOO

 

[gremlin444]

I would think is BK had this visual snow thing he shouldn't be allowed to drive.

There is a HUGE variety of visual snow symptoms and severity, often dependent on what is causing the VSS in the individual (if that can be identified).

Many people aren't affected to the point of it interfering with their driving. Some people may avoid night driving, some may avoid driving in bright sunlight, others may be fine with polarized sunglasses, etc.

It is entirely too variable to be able to make a blanket statement like that.

 

[Boxer]

BK graduated from High School in 2013.
He was a sophomore in 2010-11, and dismissed from his LE track, and put into HVAC, maybe he attended this HVAC for junior year. He did his senior year on line.

His VS posts about visual snow line up with his troubles at HS school.

I believe he was trying to find a way to excuse staring behavior that had got him in trouble with a physical condition beyond his control.

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger wrote about 'delusions of grandeur' in online forum

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger allegedly posted in an online forum years ago that he had "crazy thoughts" and "delusions of grandeur."

abc7.com

 

[Tealgrove]

I do not believe BK left the sheath on purpose. I believe the sheath was attached to his belt and was dislodged when he murdered MM and KG.

He never put the knife back in the sheath while in the house. It was in his hand as he went down the stairs.

It was in his hand when he came across Xana and Ethan.

It is what DM saw in his hand.

He left the house holding the knife. I don’t think he planned on putting the knife back into the sheath until he cleaned the knife of blood or..,he disposed of the knife and sheath.

Panic sets in when he realizes the sheath is no longer attached to his belt. Now he’s got trouble. Big trouble. Searches his car -no sheath. Oh boy!

I can only imagine his mindset.

IMO he went back to the house with a mind to retrieve it but then realized he couldn’t. He knew there were others in the house ALIVE. He couldn’t risk it.

IMO he drove back to his apartment and began the huge clean up knowing full well that the sheath could potentially give him away.

In the end, it did just that. He knew it would. He had to get away.

So he went home but they found him anyway.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

I do not believe BK left the sheath on purpose. I believe the sheath was attached to his belt and was dislodged when he murdered MM and KG.

Not possible, if the sheath is the USMC one as described on page two of the PCA. It has a complete loop that a belt threads through. He'd have had to undo his belt and pull it off.

This site shows the reverse, which shows the design. It couldn't just be pulled or torn off.

KA-BAR USMC Fighting Knife Sheath KA1217S

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www.survivalsupplies.com.au

It's far more likely that he dropped it when he drew the knife, or it fell from a pocket.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

Not possible, if the sheath is the USMC one as described on page two of the PCA. It has a complete loop that a belt threads through. He'd have had to undo his belt and pull it off.

This site shows the reverse, which shows the design. It couldn't just be pulled or torn off.

KA-BAR USMC Fighting Knife Sheath KA1217S

All prices shown in $AUD Free Australia-wide delivery on orders over $85 International shipping available at checkout (FAQ)

www.survivalsupplies.com.au

It's far more likely that he dropped it when he drew the knife, or it fell from a pocket.

MOO

Good to know. I still believe it was left by accident.

 

[Megnut]

Good synthesis of the recent transcript.

Bryan Kohberger hearing: New details emerge in the case against the man accused of fatally stabbing University of Idaho students | CNN

More than two years after a quadruple homicide devastated Moscow, Idaho, a judge unsealed the transcript of a recent hearing in the case against Bryan Kohberger – the man accused of stabbing four students to death in an off-campus home.

amp.cnn.com

 

[Megnut]

I do not believe BK left the sheath on purpose. I believe the sheath was attached to his belt and was dislodged when he murdered MM and KG.

He never put the knife back in the sheath while in the house. It was in his hand as he went down the stairs.

It was in his hand when he came across Xana and Ethan.

It is what DM saw in his hand.

He left the house holding the knife. I don’t think he planned on putting the knife back into the sheath until he cleaned the knife of blood or..,he disposed of the knife and sheath.

Panic sets in when he realizes the sheath is no longer attached to his belt. Now he’s got trouble. Big trouble. Searches his car -no sheath. Oh boy!

I can only imagine his mindset.

IMO he went back to the house with a mind to retrieve it but then realized he couldn’t. He knew there were others in the house ALIVE. He couldn’t risk it.

IMO he drove back to his apartment and began the huge clean up knowing full well that the sheath could potentially give him away.

In the end, it did just that. He knew it would. He had to get away.

So he went home but they found him anyway.

MOO

Consciousness of guilt -- isolating his DNA -- who does that?????

Guess he forgot that, even without his DNA, they could bump up against his identity because they had access to a generational map of related DNA. Oh, BK, you needed wayyyyyyyyyy more baggies and you're about a decade too late anyway.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Not possible, if the sheath is the USMC one as described on page two of the PCA. It has a complete loop that a belt threads through. He'd have had to undo his belt and pull it off.

This site shows the reverse, which shows the design. It couldn't just be pulled or torn off.

KA-BAR USMC Fighting Knife Sheath KA1217S

All prices shown in $AUD Free Australia-wide delivery on orders over $85 International shipping available at checkout (FAQ)

www.survivalsupplies.com.au

It's far more likely that he dropped it when he drew the knife, or it fell from a pocket.

MOO

MOO he had a receipt for Dickies coveralls seized during the search of his apartment.
Only people who actually work in coveralls are aware that nothing stays in a coverall pocket, no matter how deeply its stashed if you have to really exert yourself.
In other words it looked cool in the mirror.