4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[ilovewings]

Skimmed the 36 page Google/Apple/Amazon document. It's all coming in.

Our boy had two phones.

JM

Every day. And twice on Sunday.

Of course the DNA is coming in!!!!!

 

[Megnut]

Logically, would a murderer bring 2 sheaths to the murders?

Doesn't this indicate instead that there was either
A. 2 murderers; 1 who lost his sheath and 1 who didn't?
or
B. 1 murderer who planted the empty USMC sheath that had BK's DNA on it, in which case BK would be innocent?
or
C. 1 murderer who brought two knives in two sheaths and somehow wound up carrying one of them out in its sheath which begs the question where did they have the one knife that was missing its sheath?

Any other theories of what this could mean?

All JMO.

I can think of no logic for anyone framing BK. Borrowing his car, while he's also out driving in it, leaving DNA in only one location. No, if anything, BK came prepared. With contingencies. He may well have had a back up weapon and a back up sheath.

IMO nothing supports a two killer theory. I think we'll learn all four victims were killed with the same weapon.

JMO

 

[mmeynstyn]

Logically, would a murderer bring 2 sheaths to the murders?

Doesn't this indicate instead that there was either
A. 2 murderers; 1 who lost his sheath and 1 who didn't?
or
B. 1 murderer who planted the empty USMC sheath that had BK's DNA on it, in which case BK would be innocent?
or
C. 1 murderer who brought two knives in two sheaths and somehow wound up carrying one of them out in its sheath which begs the question where did they have the one knife that was missing its sheath?

Any other theories of what this could mean?

All JMO.

IMO, you forgot to list the option that he intentionally left the leather sheath as a calling card. IMO, it is more likely than any of the other suggestions you listed.

 

[Cool Cats]

Judge denies Kohberger defense's multiple motions to suppress evidence, search warrants​

• Rob King
• Feb 19, 2025 Updated 47 mins ago

Judge denies Kohberger defense's multiple motions to suppress evidence, search warrants

BOISE, Idaho -- An Ada County judge has denied multiple motions by Bryan Kohberger's defense team to throw out different pieces of evidence and search warrants.

www.kxly.com

Judge Hippler denied the defense's arguments that pulling and using Kohberger's DNA was a violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

In other motions, the defense sought to have cell phone location data and subsequent warrants used by law enforcement to arrest Kohberger thrown out, but the court found the warrants were lawfully obtained and did not violate Kohberger's rights.


Judge Hippler also denied the defense's motion for a Franks Hearing, which determines if investigators lied or omitted information to obtain warrants.

As of now, the trial is set for August 11, 2025.

 

[mmeynstyn]

pg 29 in the Google/Apple/Amazon file:

"In the affidavit supporting Google Warrant Two, Detective Mowery explained that his review of the information returned on Google Warrant One revealed "recovery email" [email protected] and showed login had occurred on that account at 4:49 a.m. on November 13, 2022 soon after the homicide occurred through what was likely VPN server."

This must be his email synched to his phone when it was turned on. From the PCA: "The 8458 Phone does not report to the network again until approximately 4:48 a.m. at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to ID state highway 95 south of Moscow, ID near Blaine, ID (north of Genesee)."

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

IMO, you forgot to list the option that he intentionally left the leather sheath as a calling card. IMO, it is more likely than any of the other suggestions you listed.

It's certainly a possibility.

 

[MassGuy]

Logically, would a murderer bring 2 sheaths to the murders?

Doesn't this indicate instead that there was either
A. 2 murderers; 1 who lost his sheath and 1 who didn't?
or
B. 1 murderer who planted the empty USMC sheath that had BK's DNA on it, in which case BK would be innocent?
or
C. 1 murderer who brought two knives in two sheaths and somehow wound up carrying one of them out in its sheath which begs the question where did they have the one knife that was missing its sheath?

Any other theories of what this could mean?

All JMO.

One murderer, one sheath, an item that the witness mistook for a small vacuum.

Possibly a small bag or container of some sort.

 

[Megnut]

Another example of a kabar sheath.

I can't wait to see the Amazon returns.

https://www.blademaster.co.nz/product/ka-bar-full-size-black-fighting-knife-kydex-sheath-serrated-edge/

 

[Cool Cats]

A potentially armed and dangerous quadruple murder suspect, likely in the process of destroying evidence.

And people think they should have politely knocked...

A behind-the-scenes look at Pennsylvania SERT (Special emergency response teams) Team Training​

Dressed in green and armed with rifles -- individually, they are police officers, but together, they're a specialized team.

LANCASTER COUNTY, Pa. — Special emergency response teams go where other law enforcement can't.
"Who else would people call if they didn't have you guys?" asked FOX43's Grace Griffaton.
"In the United States? Nobody. I mean, the military can't operate domestically," responded Barrie. "if something goes seriously wrong it's your police officers and tactical teams who will go in and deal with it."

That includes hostage situations, high risk warrant services, and threats of terrorism.

"We’re a life-saving organization," Zahm said. "A lot of people get the idea we’re an army unit, and we’re out there to shoot people. We try not to shoot people.”
The goal isn't to hurt the bad guy; it's to catch him before he does damage to himself or others.
Besides weaponry training, members also learn explosive breaching. The charges they make can either push a door in or cut it clean off its hinges.

"We do a lot of math and preparation before each explosion to figure out how close we can be," said an officer who can't be identified. "If we know what we're getting into, it can take a few seconds or if it's a very complicated situation, and we have time to preplan, we can build a charge based on our needs at the moment."
It's training that can make the difference in a life-threatening situation.

There are also tools to protect members from who may be inside a house or building.
The Pennsylvania State Police or PSP has a fleet of ballistic vehicles for its team. Its rook has been hit with bullets three times, and it has saved multiple lives, according to Corporal David Brodeur.
Brodeur coordinates SERT training for PSP.

"Pennsylvania is a battleground state, so we’re often doing motorcade security for the President, Vice President," he explained.

One team covers the eastern part of Pennsylvania; another covers the west with callouts lasting anywhere from a few hours to much longer.

"We won't make the call to go into a house because of time," said Brodeur. "If it's an issue of exhaustion, we've been there 14, 15, 20 hours, we'll call our counterparts from the west SERT team."
SERT members work long hours, wear heavy equipment, and face an increased risk of being hurt or killed - so why would they do it? Members cite a desire to protect and serve and a sense of comradery you won't find on other teams.

“You put your life in their hands," added Brodeur. "It’s a matter of trust. You know what the other guy is going to do hopefully, and they’re going to have your back and trust them."
SERT services can be life-saving but at what cost? One year's operating cost in Lancaster County is estimated at $100,000. For Pennsylvania State Police, it can cost up to $14,000, and that's just for one 8-hour callout.

2 Cents

 

[DizzyB]

The early Ninja rumors were true-it wasn’t a typical Covid era mask that covered his nose and mouth-it covered his forehead as well, balaclava style.

 

[Balthazar]

One murderer, one sheath, an item that the witness mistook for a small vacuum.

Possibly a small bag or container of some sort.

Another possibility. Maybe the bag that MM saw the man put his clothes into? JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Another possibility. Maybe the bag that MM saw the man put his clothes into? JMO.

Do we know she saw that?

I totally believe that happened (he put clothing into a bag), but I thought that was just speculation.

I really don’t think this was a vacuum though.

 

[Vaderman]

Man, reading through these documents...if this goes to trial, they are going to drag the surviving roommates through the mud, aren't they?

 

[MassGuy]

Man, reading through these documents...if this goes to trial, they are going to drag the surviving roommates through the mud, aren't they?

They’d have to be really careful. That’s a great way to lose a jury.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

But Hippler ruled on Wednesday that there is 'no reasonable expectation of privacy in identity' and Kohberger's team 'did not prove that his DNA was tested for anything other than identifying purposes,' according to court documents obtained by KIRO.

'Even if the DNA analysis revealed sensitive personal details, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in crime scene DNA,' the judge wrote.

Bryan Kohberger DNA twist as judge makes huge decision on evidence

An Idaho judge finally made a ruling on the DNA technique prosecutors used to identify Bryan Kohberger as the prime suspect in the murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[gremlin444]

P. 29 of the Google/Apple/Amazon one

Two phone numbers

Is it possible that doesn't necessarily means two phone or that both phone numbers belong to him? For example, with Google you can list multiple phone numbers for receiving 2 step verification codes or for receiving codes to recover your account if you are locked out. My 17 yo, my 22 yo, and my husband all have my cell phone number listed as their backup number to receive recovery codes, and I list my husband as mine.

Or, it could have been his old phone number from before he got the AT&T account in addition to his current number.

 

[Megnut]

This crime didn't germinate overnight.

Likely a fantasy he honed over time.

If there is a nexus between BK and a victim or victims, his fantasy grew legs. Practicing his ninja moves.

He would have practiced his jousts, practiced his stealth, near rehearsals IMO. Why that night? I'm sure he had his reasons. Mounting irritation.

I haven't decided yet, for myself, whether he had a kill outfit which he then covered over before getting in his car or if he was wearing the coveralls for the crime and peeled then off before getting in his car.

I don't think he expected so much bloodshed, I still think he intended to attack one victim and the others were casualties of proximity. I think he was focused on getting out of the house and on preventing contaminating his vehicle and that preoccupation played in DM's favor. He just didn't see her, although I believe that it registered swiftly, which explains his noisy exodus from the neighborhood. He knew he'd been made, knew LE would be there in a hot second so he had to bolt.

I come back to the "vacuum". He was holding something. Maybe she saw the knife, just the manner in which he held it. Her brain was trying to make sense of a nightmare she didn't yet recognize, and through the haze of alcohol and sleep.

I can't see BK entering the house with a kill kit. With a bag of any kind. He'd want free hands, he wouldn't want to risk leaving anything behind. Oh, the irony.

If he did have the knife sheathed, that might support intentionality for the sheath left behind. I wish we had even more information. Where was this "vacuum"? At his side? In front of him? You'd almost think he'd still have the weapon in attack position, in case he encountered more resistance, especially after the massacre behind him. I wonder how much tactical gear he had. Well outfitted? Or surprisingly little?

I almost feel bad for AT. All that talking and table-pounding for naught. Most of her arguments served back to her in support of probable cause. Ouch.

The whole car thing. That's done and dusted. The expert expanded the years. Not quite how AT tried to spin it.

I do wonder what BK is thinking. I'm sure it's with an air of superiority, whatever it is. He's probably laughing in his head, feeling smug about supposition and theories, because he knows full well what he did and why he did it and why he did it how and when he did.

Why didn't he go in after an earlier loop? How did he plan and do reconnaissance but fail to account for bunkmates? A dog? Three roommates, the four awake. XK, KG, EC, DM. Five, if we count BF. Why didn't he loop one more time? Was 3 am his bingo, jacko time? But something spooked him?

I think he secretly wants to blurt it out, tell exactly how he did what he did.

IMO that's the thesis he wanted to write all along.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

He won't do it, he wants his day in court, but perhaps BK needs to starts thinking about a plea deal. moo

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


Here is the latest on the Kohberger judge's decision not to throw out DNA evidence.Also got reaction from victim's family.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892379769217646729

 

[Gigiky]

He won't do it, he wants his day in court, but perhaps BK needs to starts thinking about a plea deal. moo

I agree. I believe we will start hearing whispers of a plea deal.