4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[Megnut]

Yeah. I think it was a big red flag when the Judge was like "where's the page and line numbers" for the scary emails. Now we learn there never was any conspiracy in those emails. She just alleged something out of whole cloth.

I'm trying to afford AT professional courtesy, but it's that abject invention that really bothers me. She's an officer of the court. She's to be a seeker of the truth.

Challenging the investigation, questioning the evidence, finding weaknesses -- this is her job. But fabrication, as you say, out of whole cloth is an entirely different beast and it's appearing more and more, I'm afraid. Catering to whom? Absent-minded or dailed-out judges? Court of public opinion? To what end? Potential jurors? Who think there's conspiracy, scandal, sketch, secrecy where there is not?

In her attempt to convince the judge to let her go on a fishing expedition with Frank because of -- as she said it -- misrepresentation and deceit on the side of the State -- she laid out her whole tackle box , misrepresenting facts right in front of the judge who is paying attention, is reading along, and isn't afraid to call her out on it. I suspect she hoped HER misrepresentations wouldn't be vetted, buried as they were volume.

I think we're about to see how mediocre BK is. Sloppy mistakes. Rookie mistakes. One dimensional preparation.

LE has him coming and going, his phone confirms the crime window, and if that didn't incriminate him enough, he left his DNA at the crime scene.

Doh.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

The alleged poisonous tree appears to be bearing some very healthy, plump & wholesome fruit after all; dare I risk running it into the ground by saying it might bear said fruit every day & twice on Sunday?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The judge ruled Kohberger's constitutional rights were not violated, and that police behaved properly. He said the evidence investigators obtained throughout the investigation, which led them to Kohberger, is not tainted and can be admitted at trial.

"The Court finds suppression is not warranted on any of these issues," Hippler wrote.

Idaho college killings: Judge denies Bryan Kohberger defense motion to suppress DNA evidence

The judge overseeing the case of the man charged with killing four Idaho college students in 2022 has denied his request to exclude potentially critical DNA.

abc7chicago.com

 

[stormymama]

I had no issues with Judge Gull in Delphi, but man, Delphi could have used a Judge Hippler. Moo

 

[gremlin444]

I had no issues with Judge Gull in Delphi, but man, Delphi could have used a Judge Hippler. Moo

Gotta love a judge who embodies the "show your work" philosophy. And a tip of the hat to his law clerks as well--that looks like a lot of overtime went into writing those decisions by both him and his team!

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

He likely heard voices downstairs on the main floor. And kept his knife out on the way down from MM's room. And after killing Xana and Ethan it was probably time to put the knife away and leave... he probably noticed the sheath was gone. JMO

I bet the guy did the math...and with the loud noises, screams, barking dogs, he decided not to look for it in the dark rooms and hallways and decided to leave.

MOO

Yes @schooling …. and maybe someone was assured perhaps, at least in their mind, that regardless the sheath had been ‘cleaned’? To forensic cleanliness standards. And as I believe @MassGuy suggested yesterday…… to have been able to see the reaction once it was clear the sheath had been left. And, that it had forensic remnants that led to a perpetrator. MOO

 

[INfisherman]

I had no issues with Judge Gull in Delphi, but man, Delphi could have used a Judge Hippler. Moo

Judge Dredd wouldn’t have made much of a difference in Delphi IMO. Imagine where this case might be without the hard evidence which Delphi was lacking (DNA, committed indoors, lots of video, potential prep purchases, stakeouts in PA). Similar conspiracies might still be floating around without those difference makers (to the general public).

MOO

 

[arielilane]

If they cry on the stand because their best friends were brutally killed plus the detective testifies how extremely traumatized and in shock they were, plus the survivors guilt you mention etc......

Then the prosecution should keep their darn mouths shut. Nothing to say to change these severe facts.

Wouldn't surprise me to see 1/2 that courtroom and jurors in tears.


2 Cents

Your post gave me chills. moo

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I cannot see ankle, personally. Have you ever carried a kbar at the ankle? They are heavy and misbalanced unless he was wearing mid high to knee high boots, but not with tennis shoes and socks unless he maybe had a special pocket in the lower part of the pants and nope, I just cannot make that work. Not at all without heavy boots, compression socks or an ankle sheath, which he apparently did not have. Tucked into the back of a waistline, yeah a lot of posers do that so possible but totally stupid. People who know how to handle knives don't want to be juggling a sheath on the move, but then here we are.

My favorite is a horizontal back of belt sheath or thigh holster sheath, easy access, no flopping, stays with you, slide it out, cut your rope for camp, slide it back, foldover snap, not one of those around the top of the grip things. ( see how I slide in a non murderous use for a knife)

Interesting and thorough analysis @Ghostwheel …. and led me to wonder, if maybe the suspect possibly removed a belt for reasons to use with a victim? I won’t be any more graphic with this. And if so, might that have contributed to the fallen, misplaced, or untethered sheath? Yet your suggestion of a thigh holster sheath is also possible.

And also will offer that I am not up to speed on all aspects of this case. And with a gag order it makes it all the more challenging. And others could have posited this idea ages ago in one of the many BK Idaho threads. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, I remember thinking back when that happened and AT had to submit an amended Franks memo, the arguments are probably such that they require and may benefit from a lot of irrelevant padding. Moo

I mean it's fairly uncontested that AT is a more than decent public defender imo, so there would have been a reason for the original obfuscating Franks memorandum being filed. I would speculate lawyers like AT don't make mistakes or rarely make them, and on the Frank's memo the chance of a genuine mistake of import is really low imo. The original was the result of a failed partial strategy to confuse the court with paper overload and ambiguous references. Kind of similar to the defendant's notice of 'alibi'. Jmo

Welp, if AT & CO. had planned on overloading this Court with paper strategy, they've found out quickly that Judge Hippler is not the one. No, nope, nopers. He is meticulous and pays attention to every detail.

He remembered things in the recent hearings off the top of his head that the D couldn't and he had no qualms about calling them out. Hippler is the perfect Judge for this type of case with lots of detailed information and I know AT is dying that she can no longer sugar coat and whisper talk Judge Tripps. (You know he is so thankful he's no longer on this case) LOL

JMO

 

[AcousticViper]

There was some speculation there might be a stronger blood pattern leading up to the latent shoe impression, that this specific print was only highlighted in the PCA to support the defendant's point of exit. Now we learn this train of thought is wrong, what accounts for a lone print outside of DM's door with nothing leading to it?

What if, when the door was closed, he leaned in, pressed his ear to her bedroom, remained stationary for a few seconds, listened for sound within—hence a weighted print in that one spot, closer to the threshold—before backtracking to XK/EC or going upstairs. Maybe DM doesn't know just how lucky she is.

 

[stormymama]

Judge Dredd wouldn’t have made much of a difference in Delphi IMO. Imagine where this case might be without the hard evidence which Delphi was lacking (DNA, committed indoors, lots of video, potential prep purchases, stakeouts in PA). Similar conspiracies might still be floating around without those difference makers (to the general public).

MOO

I just would have loved to see him get ahold of the Franks-fiction! Moo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Any privacy interest he can claim in this DNA was abandoned along with the sheath, to which he claims no ownership or knowledge," said Hippler. "Even if no such abandonment occurred, defendant has not demonstrated it is reasonable to recognize a privacy interest in DNA left at a crime scene.”

Idaho judge declines to throw out genetic evidence in University of Idaho killings

An Idaho judge has declined to throw out key evidence in a case against a man charged with murder in connection with the killings of four University of Idaho students.

www.newsday.com

 

[mrjitty]

I had no issues with Judge Gull in Delphi, but man, Delphi could have used a Judge Hippler. Moo

Yes this has been my view from the start. This the well authored denial you want to see. And the kind of ruling I am used to personally.

Instead of "denied without a hearing" we get the Judge carefully reviewing the evidence, making findings and then applying the law - which is also the foundation any appeal Court needs.

He tore AT's argument down to the studs, found nothing of interest and documented in triplicate.

Great stuff.

 

[INfisherman]

I just would have loved to see him get ahold of the Franks-fiction! Moo

Yeah, I see your point there. AT wasn’t quite as fantastical with her handling of things. On the other hand, some odd LE work & then dead ends were taken, cleaned off, repainted & presented as something shiny & new to the public who didn’t know much better in Delphi. JG saw through it & just shut it down without much elaborating. Then again, when most of it is hearsay & misrepresented, how much more wording is needed? Would be interesting to see how JH would’ve handled it but I feel it still would’ve been out of hand on the public side (SM, YT, etc.).

Interesting topic but probably not suited here - wink wink.

 

[mrjitty]

I'm trying to afford AT professional courtesy, but it's that abject invention that really bothers me. She's an officer of the court. She's to be a seeker of the truth.

Challenging the investigation, questioning the evidence, finding weaknesses -- this is her job. But fabrication, as you say, out of whole cloth is an entirely different beast and it's appearing more and more, I'm afraid. Catering to whom? Absent-minded or dailed-out judges? Court of public opinion? To what end? Potential jurors? Who think there's conspiracy, scandal, sketch, secrecy where there is not?

In her attempt to convince the judge to let her go on a fishing expedition with Frank because of -- as she said it -- misrepresentation and deceit on the side of the State -- she laid out her whole tackle box , misrepresenting facts right in front of the judge who is paying attention, is reading along, and isn't afraid to call her out on it. I suspect she hoped HER misrepresentations wouldn't be vetted, buried as they were volume.

I think we're about to see how mediocre BK is. Sloppy mistakes. Rookie mistakes. One dimensional preparation.

LE has him coming and going, his phone confirms the crime window, and if that didn't incriminate him enough, he left his DNA at the crime scene.

Doh.

JMO

Sometimes I wonder if the real audience for this stuff is potential jurors.

The detail is all hidden while she raises innuendo. But then it all crashed down because the Judge was prepared to write such a detailed trashing of her case.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

Sometimes I wonder if the real audience for this stuff is potential jurors.

The detail is all hidden while she raises innuendo. But then it all crashed down because the Judge was prepared to write such a detailed trashing of her case.

MOO

Hammer, meet head of nail.

Would you be offended if I referred to you as drjitty or drj on occasion?

So it looks like maybe stargazing just made a huge leap up the list. Better brush up on my astronomy.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Sometimes I wonder if the real audience for this stuff is potential jurors.

The detail is all hidden while she raises innuendo. But then it all crashed down because the Judge was prepared to write such a detailed trashing of her case.

MOO

"Detailed trashing" -- dumpster torpedo!

 

[INfisherman]

"Detailed trashing" -- dumpster torpedo!

Your eloquent sarcasm makes me chuckle in many a post. Don’t lose it, please.

Flushed with extreme prejudice.

 

[Megnut]

Hammer, meet head of nail.

Would you be offended if I referred to you as drjitty or drj on occasion?

So it looks like maybe stargazing just made a huge leap up the list. Better brush up on my astronomy.

MOO

Note, AT didn't even offer star-gazing as his alibi, just barfed it up as explanation for nocturnal commissions -- she might even produce a Polaroid of a star BK once saw -- but I don't think anybody believes he was star-gazing that night or on the nights of his Tour de Moscow loops. Whatcha doin' in Moscow, BK? The sky over Pullman has the same number of stars.

His alibi was weaker than even that. He liked early morning drives because in the past he's been known to stargaze.

(One wonders whether BK has worm out that alibi in the past, if ever he was caught hot prowling after dark? Who me? I'm not prowling. I'm stargazing. Why all the black? Why the mask? Well, that's how we stargaze in PA. I didn't know the rules were different here.)

I do want to point out, to AT, FWIW, 2, 3, 4 am isn't really 'early morning' to me. You know, as he's known for his 'early morning runs'. If say 2, 3, 4 am are the bewitching hours. If you're not up because of an alternate work schedule, fair chance you're going to get a side eye.

Why does BK always seem to be awake when other people are sleeping?

I daresay BK so far has the worst alibi I've ever heard. I was driving in my car, with my phone off.

JMO