4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #100

[Balthazar]

He was separating his own trash from his family member's trash. It was not about trash limits or being neighbourly.

It is most certainly weird and odd to put on plastic gloves and separate your personal trash from the family garbage bins and place yours in little baggies and then sneak around after dark, placing them in the neighbours bins.

The only motive that makes sense to me, is that he didn't want his personal trash to be in the family garbage cans, to prevent LE from attaining his DNA. IMO

My understanding of the law is the once trash is put at the curb, then it is considered "abandoned" and OK for LE to retrieve it, regardless of whose house the trash is at. So, BK putting trash in the neighbor's trash can wouldn't do anything insofar as protecting his DNA from LE. He was apparently wearing dishwashing gloves to sort the trash.

KATZ IN THE TRASH BARREL - SEIZURE OF ABANDONED PERSONAL PROPERTY, PART 1 | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

 

[Boxer]

So funny, I do the same thing. I also routinely take over size boxes to the dump, other stuff that doesn't fit into the trash bin. Huge black, heavy contractor bags, with yard stuff, or leftover bits from parties. Who knew it could be weird and suspicious?!

Maybe nobody told you they don't like you going into trash cans.
Did you speak to them about it, asking permission? Do you know if they ever come out with a last minute trash bag only to find their can full?
Runs to the dump are your own business.

 

[Boxer]

My understanding of the law is the once trash is put at the curb, then it is considered "abandoned" and OK for LE to retrieve it, regardless of whose house the trash is at. So, BK putting trash in the neighbor's trash can wouldn't do anything insofar as protecting his DNA from LE. He was apparently wearing dishwashing gloves to sort the trash.

KATZ IN THE TRASH BARREL - SEIZURE OF ABANDONED PERSONAL PROPERTY, PART 1 | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

MOO If BK suspected they would look in the neighbors trash, he would have taken his further away.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'm still a little baffled as to why BK was separating trash

So we mostly all believe he was trying to prevent LE from getting his DNA? However, as a student of criminology with expert knowledge on forensics and data collection, he must have known that LE could trace him fairly effectively or even directly ask him to supply a sample before too long?

 

[Boxer]

Picture 22 in the article gallery shows BKs parents home, and how far he had to go even to walk off their property to get to his neighbors trash cans.

MOO
The troubled son of the neighbor is rarely going to be welcomed to walk around on ones property at night with gloves and trash baggies.

FBI watched Idaho 'killer' take out the trash wearing surgical gloves

The officers were tasked with tracking Kohberger so they could arrest him as soon as a warrant was issued as well as trying to get hold of a DNA sample.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[windrower]

I live in a high-rise apartment building in NYC, so trash collection is different here, but I’ve plenty of family and friends who live in private homes.

It would be an outrage for someone to take their trash and hop on over to throw it in their neighbor’s garbage can without some good reason and permission from the neighbor.

But IMO that’s a moot point. It appears to me that BK took elaborate steps to isolate his garbage from his family’s, PRECISELY to avoid his DNA being collected for identification.

Particularly under cover of darkness, in the middle of the night.

Mr. Wanna-be Dr. of Criminology knows DNA is the key to his house of cards collapsing.

IMO we can conjure up all kinds of theories about someone else nefariously and magically hoisting BK’s microscopic DNA, while somehow not leaving behind any trace of their own in this process, and secreting it in an obscure but vital spot on a knife sheath, beneath the body of a woman who was knifed to death.

I would doubt this as a juror because to me these actions are beyond reasonable.

One theory here is a linear connection of the dots. The other theory requires an upside-down, inside-out, convoluted pretzel twisting of what is logical.

JMO

Bbm agree with bolded

Please excuse me for awhile. I need to rest up from watching all the (mental) gymnastics being postulated to explain all things BK.

 

[mrjitty]

Bbm agree with bolded

Please excuse me for awhile. I need to rest up from watching all the (mental) gymnastics being postulated to explain all things BK.

at the very least if they want these theories in evidence it will have to be BK who testifies.

No one else can say why he was separating garbage

 

[wendy44]

RSB for focus. Exactly @wendy44

That's why I think it's going to be even harder for any alibi defense to explain how BK turned up where he did at c4.50am. It makes much better sense that he came to be there from the north ( Moscow) via snow road. The timing's about right.

If he was south-west of Pullman or in Wawawi park at the crucial time, how does he turn up travelling on 95, 20 mins south of Moscow half an hour post crime?

I think zero footage has been uncovered to show BK left Pullman via a southerly route. Moo he didn't do it via Bishop Boulevarde or Johnston road. There are cameras there which picked him up on his return trip (after 5am). My guess; there is no other footage on 195 South Pullman to support BK going that way at approx 2.50/3am.

I can't see any cell phone activity or cameras as being witness to BK's, as it stands, ambiguous 'alibi'.

As to how he got to Moscow Indian Hills drive by about 3.25am.; I don't think he could have taken a southerly then easterly route, undetected by cameras. Though it's possible the P has more video captures for his arrival and route into Moscow, the court filings seem to suggest this probably isn't the case. But time wise there is simply insufficient time for him to be cruising south west of Moscow near WaWawi for instance after leaving Pullman at 2.50am and be on Indian Hills Drive at 3.25ish.

The two routes I think BK took to get to Indian Hills Drive by 3.25am are either North of the hwy, past airport, then cross 95 north of Moscow and take the back Streets south;

or east on the highway then turn south onto Sunshine road. This second route is far more convoluted and unlikely in my opinion, because when he hits Palouse Drive, he then has to cross Main Street/ hwy 95 to get to Indian Hills and there are cameras there that were part of the canvas imo. All speculation.

I think it's possible he took 270/Pullman Moscow Highway east to get to Moscow. His car is seen in Pullman heading toward 270 around 2:53am. It's traveling southeast on Nevada St towards 270. It's then allegedly picked up again 3:26am going west on Indian Hills Dr in Moscow and then again at 3:28am going west on Styner Ave at Idaho State Highway 95 (video captured the vehicle not displaying front license plate). These three videos/photos are not disputed to this point by the defense.

There is apparently an additional capture between 2:53am and 3:26am of a white sedan traveling east on 270 in front of Floyd's--the defense says this isn't him. But I think it's possible it is--he traveled east on 270, which becomes Highway 8/W. Pullman Rd in Moscow. He drove east past the King Rd area, turned right somewhere off Hwy 8, then drove back west toward King Rd, getting captured going west on Indian Hills and Styner.
JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm still a little baffled as to why BK was separating trash

So we mostly all believe he was trying to prevent LE from getting his DNA? However, as a student of criminology with expert knowledge on forensics and data collection, he must have known that LE could trace him fairly effectively or even directly ask him to supply a sample before too long?

There is no logical or reasonable explanation for BK to be separating his trash into zip lock baggies wearing gloves and disposing of them late at night in a neighbors garbage bin. Could it happen? Yes, it obviously did, but is it reasonable behavior?

It does however make absolute sense for a CJ Doctoral candidate guilty of murdering 4 college students to try and hide his DNA from LE. Darn that knife sheath...foiled all his planning and preparation.

To me it's one more piece of the totality of evidence that proves BK's guilt.

JMO

 

[vls12345]

Re: bagging his own trash to keep it separate from the family trash/disposing of his own in neighbors' bins....

If BK is as intellectually smart as discussed, he would or should realize that even if his family's trash was checked for DNA (but his is separate/not there), testing of his family's DNA would reveal it as belonging to a close relative of his if nothing else. MOO.

 

[Megnut]

Re: bagging his own trash to keep it separate from the family trash/disposing of his own in neighbors' bins....

If BK is as intellectually smart as discussed, he would or should realize that even if his family's trash was checked for DNA (but his is separate/not there), testing of his family's DNA would reveal it as belonging to a close relative of his if nothing else. MOO.

This is the same person who felt entitled, emboldened to enter private property. Armed with a military grade knife and slaughtered four human beings with whom he had no measurable connection.

I'd say his logic is flawed.

And bagging up his DNA only confirms it.

Senseless, all of it.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

Re: bagging his own trash to keep it separate from the family trash/disposing of his own in neighbors' bins....

If BK is as intellectually smart as discussed, he would or should realize that even if his family's trash was checked for DNA (but his is separate/not there), testing of his family's DNA would reveal it as belonging to a close relative of his if nothing else. MOO.

Absolutely. I think the average websleuth would know this, so surely he should have.

DNA analysis, which was conducted the following day in the Idaho State Lab, showed a sample from the trash belonged to Kohberger’s father, Michael, with more than 99% accuracy.

DNA from trash at Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger’s family home in Pennsylvania linked him to crime

DNA analysis of the garbage showed the sample from the crime scene belonged to Kohberger or his father Michael.

nypost.com

 

[minazoe]

He's toast. mOO

 

[Megnut]

Absolutely. I think the average websleuth would know this, so surely he should have.

DNA analysis, which was conducted the following day in the Idaho State Lab, showed a sample from the trash belonged to Kohberger’s father, Michael, with more than 99% accuracy.

DNA from trash at Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger’s family home in Pennsylvania linked him to crime

DNA analysis of the garbage showed the sample from the crime scene belonged to Kohberger or his father Michael.

nypost.com

This is where his corrupt thought processes are revealed.

And something akin to OCD. He knew his DNA was a lynching. It probably became an obsession that he couldn't not think, and it became increasingly intrusive, if I wash my hands enough, if I were enough sets of gloves, if I separate my trash from my families...compulsive. Fueled by illogic.

Lady Macbeth, trying to wash off an imaginary speck of blood.

Guessing his internal stress load was off the charts.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

This is the same person who felt entitled, emboldened to enter private property. Armed with a military grade knife and slaughtered four human beings with whom he had no measurable connection.

I'd say his logic is flawed.

And bagging up his DNA only confirms it.

Senseless, all of it.

JMO

Agree. There is a fall off in the steps of his logic.
MOO Probably why he did so well on Zoom where initial appearance/thoughts on screen can dominate impression.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Re: bagging his own trash to keep it separate from the family trash/disposing of his own in neighbors' bins....

If BK is as intellectually smart as discussed, he would or should realize that even if his family's trash was checked for DNA (but his is separate/not there), testing of his family's DNA would reveal it as belonging to a close relative of his if nothing else. MOO.

Exactly, also he would know that if LE were onto him they'd use even more covert methods.

I suppose he was a guilty man desperately trying to fight against the tide. He knew it was coming. He wasn't going to make it easy for them. I'd be surprised if he wasn't surveilling the family property to keep an eye open for unusual traffic and activity to ensure if anyone was watching him. JMO MOO

 

[Arkay]

MOO If BK suspected they would look in the neighbors trash, he would have taken his further away.

Yes.

I would postulate that he certainly knew, well before his cross-country drive home with daddy, that he had misplaced the sheath and therefore had concerns (probably anguish) that he’d left it behind.

What he didn’t know at the time of his midnight jaunt to conceal his telltale DNA in the neighbor’s garbage is that Pennsylvania LE was already watching his home.

He thought he’d outwit, outsmart, outfox anyone coming to search for him in Pennsylvania by ensuring that items he’d touched would not yield viable DNA.

Hence the baggies, the gloves, the sleight of hand with the neighbor’s garbage cans.

Luckily for justice, LE was the fox.

IMO

 

[MassGuy]

This is not your typical mass murder case where the killer goes into a school or a supermarket, or a parade and starts shooting and killing people. This was a mass murder only in the sense that he murdered four people- it was a stealth murder because he snuck into the home where the people he murdered were sleeping.

Exactly. It was more along the lines of a serial killer, who just so happened to commit a mass murder. Two very different psychologies at play.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

This is where his corrupt thought processes are revealed.

And something akin to OCD. He knew his DNA was a lynching. It probably became an obsession that he couldn't not think, and it became increasingly intrusive, if I wash my hands enough, if I were enough sets of gloves, if I separate my trash from my families...compulsive. Fueled by illogic.

Lady Macbeth, trying to wash off an imaginary speck of blood.

Guessing his internal stress load was off the charts.

JMO

Yes, Lady Mcbeth with the speck of blood is a great analogy.

A sort of displacement activity and something 'to do' that could focus his mind and obsessing?

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Agree. There is a fall off in the steps of his logic.
MOO Probably why he did so well on Zoom where initial appearance/thoughts on screen can dominate impression.

Also he may not have intended to commit the same crime as it played out in reality. So he had maybe immaculately predicted what efforts LE would take to trace a perpetrator and how many resources they'd have available to them.
If he entered that property intending to SA one person at knife point and somehow left having killed four innocents, his calculations about what resources and funding would be available to LE for searching for a perp would be blown.