4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[Ghostwheel]

RSBM

Thud at 4:17, speeding away at 4:20, gives him more than 120 seconds to strip off his killsuit or cover it up.

RSBM

Cover it up. Now, this makes the most sense for expediency to me. Coveralls 1 is the kill suit, Coveralls 2 is the cover suit. Walk out, kick off the shoes and take off the mask, use gloves to bag them up, remove gloves into bag, bag the bag, put on new waterproof protective suit over existing one. Go somewhere else, strip off both sets of coveralls together and bag them, bag the bag, dump or burn or sink or bury all bags.

ETA had the order wrong. New coverup comes after bagging the gloves.

 

[Boxer]

It is a sample from the strap (upper and lower) and underside of the button.

RN after reading the report during testimony
A. The entire leather portion of the strap, both top and bottom, and then the underside of the button.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

Item Q1.1, the sheath strap and inner snap

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Motion-inLimine-14-RE-Statistical-Anaylsis.pdf

Beyond the expertise of a crime analyst.

2019 van Oorschot et al
The article is an illustration of how extremely complex the question of how and when is given the identification of a sample that has no biological source such as blood.7

Despite this wealth of information and scientific study, the authors conclude that more work is necessary and that the expertise to offer activity level opinions, the how and when, is beyond the expertise of crime lab analysts.

2024, NIST
the EWG

But a further important question is what activities led to the presence of that DNA. With the increased sensitivity of DNA techniques and sophisticated software, a DNA profile may be developed even when the contributor of that DNA never touched the item or area that was swabbed. Alternatively, a person’s DNA may be present when they were not involved in the crime.

“Except in ground-truth-known experiments, where an individual is observed to have been in contact with a surface/location, it is not possible to know whether the transfer was direct or indirect.” (Id. at §7.2).

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Defense-Motion-inLimine-6-RE-Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

JMO

Skin is a biological source.
The snap is a specific use point.

 

[DizzyB]

The footprint in blood by DM’s door was only visible using Amido black. I’m not so sure that the murderer was covered in blood. It’s not as if there was other blood or DNA at the scene that did not match the victims or BK. The killer was careful.

 

[wendy44]

Yes. All my links say IGG leads to a family group, not a specific individual. Then the Genealogist uses their discernment to try to figure out who the suspect is within that family group. Unfortunately, there are times when the genealogist is wrong. It happens...and I have personally seen it happen.

I guess IGG could lead to one specific person in a really, really small family where there are no other possibilities, but that is really not the norm.

You said, "IGG does not lead to a specific individual." This is not true--sometimes it does and one of your links said that.

You said, "At best, it leads to a family group. We need to be really careful here about committing to BK because he may have other distant family members in the area who committed this crime whom we know nothing about whatsoever."

Your links demonstrate that a "family group" is typically a sibling group, not a family group that would include distant family members in the area.

I'm genuinely confused about the point you seem to be making here. Do you still believe the DNA belongs to a distant relative or someone not BK?
JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Interesting. BK is going down for handling his knife sheath without gloves, and leaving it at the crime scene. Not unlike so many other killers, who shoot their victims, no evidence, but usually fingerprints on spent cartridges. Few use gloves to load weapon.

 

[arielilane]

Do you think that the prosecution will introduce BK's Reddit survey and that the judge will allow it into evidence? The reason I ask is that if the prosecution introduces this into evidence with the judge's approval, then this opens up an avenue for the defense to argue that a criminal who read and/or replied to BK's survey could have taken an interest in BK and been involved in the murders. I don't think that happened, but if the prosecution presents the survey in court, then this opens up this possibility being presented by the defense. But I don't think the judge would allow the Reddit posts and survey into evidence. There is also the possibility that BK's advisor at DeSales would be subpoeaned to explain why she wasn't surprised at the questionnaire in terms of the criminology program's course of study and approved the survey.

My opinion: Id be really surprised if the judge allowed it. jmo

 

[arielilane]

@kfixler

Breaking: @GovernorLittle signed law to make a firing squad #Idaho's lead #execution method over lethal injection. Family of #Idaho4 victim Kaylee Goncalves backed change for 2026. #BryanKohberger faces #deathpenalty if convicted of murder. h/t @RDunhamDP

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899963088486752283

 

[Gigiky]

Speaking just to Murphy --

A doodle, non shedding.

LE reported finding him in KG's room (on the bed iirc). This was after 1 intruder, 4 murders, HJ, and any number of 1st responders.

I have a 10#poodle, who stays on my bed when I get home, until I call her to me. Murphy may have been a very compliant dog in the same way. If KG told him to stay, maybe he stayed.

It's worth noting that Murphy didn't run out for HJ who probably wasn't even a stranger, in the hopes of getting to go outside for a much needed potty break. I think Murphy was docile, KG was his person and he was waiting patiently for her.

JMO

Her person. This breaks my heart. He was her baby.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Speaking just to Murphy --

A doodle, non shedding.

LE reported finding him in KG's room (on the bed iirc). This was after 1 intruder, 4 murders, HJ, and any number of 1st responders.

I have a 10#poodle, who stays on my bed when I get home, until I call her to me. Murphy may have been a very compliant dog in the same way. If KG told him to stay, maybe he stayed.

It's worth noting that Murphy didn't run out for HJ who probably wasn't even a stranger, in the hopes of getting to go outside for a much needed potty break. I think Murphy was docile, KG was his person and he was waiting patiently for her.

JMO

I've known many dogs and I've never known one that would sit still in a house in that condition for such a long time, I can't imagine. The dog would have heard strange things, smelled awful smells, and been starving hungry and desperate to toilet as well as curious and fretful. This is the one part of the story that really doesn't make sense JMO MOO

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899984076469395699

 

[arielilane]

Defense team aint got nothing, honey... jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I don't have the attention span, but some of you might find this interesting.

 

[Vaderman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899984076469395699

Heck of a conspiracy against BK if true.

 

[SteveP]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899984076469395699

If they can actually sell that, I would love to get the names and contacts of the jurors, after the trial, as I have some oceanfront property in Arizona that I am trying to unload at a great price. JMO

 

[Megnut]

I don't have the attention span, but some of you might find this interesting.

Gray has heard the call, goes through the transcript line by line.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

Gray has heard the call, goes through the transcript line by line.

JMO

I don't have the attention span either. If anyone has listened to it, could you note the time it begins?

 

[Megnut]

I don't have the attention span, but some of you might find this interesting.

I don't have the attention span either. If anyone has listened to it, could you note the time it begins?

It's only 16 minutes long, he goes through the transcript, making correction and adding pauses.... plus there are sounds not contained in the transcript.... hyperventilation, steps, Get out! Get out!

It's illuminating.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899984076469395699

 

[schooling]

Cover it up. Now, this makes the most sense for expediency to me. Coveralls 1 is the kill suit, Coveralls 2 is the cover suit. Walk out, kick off the shoes and take off the mask, use gloves to bag them up, remove gloves into bag, bag the bag, put on new waterproof protective suit over existing one. Go somewhere else, strip off both sets of coveralls together and bag them, bag the bag, dump or burn or sink or bury all bags.

ETA had the order wrong. New coverup comes after bagging the gloves.

I tend to believe the reports that BF saw a naked man.

Now that this has been officially reported on I can say that this was information that was unofficially being shared since the afternoon of 9/13/2022. Essentially all of that stuff has now ended up in either reporting, the PCA, or revealed via filings. IIRC, JMO

I see dozens of other threads linking to Mirror articles so I'm going to assume it's an OK source.

Surviving roommate in university stabbings begs to not face 'killer' in court

Suspect Bryan Kohberger, 28, has been charged with four counts of first-degree murder and burglary after four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death on November 13, 2022

www.mirror.co.uk

This is just one of the many sources.

Also, IMO, BK's defense has hinted at this numerous times before, too.

MOO

Edit: IMO, there was something that the defense said that made me think that the the Mirror is wrong and BF actually saw someone from her bedroom window on the bottom floor. Maybe' we'll see it amongst the text messages that we haven't seen yet. Those that were sent before DM runs downstairs when the two were discussing who they both saw (with BF seemingly , IMO, trying to initially convince DM that it was probably Xana she saw dressed in black).

 

[Ghostwheel]

I tend to believe the reports that BF saw a naked man.

Now that's is been officially reported on I can say that this was information that was unofficially being shared. In that collection of information shared early on essentially all of it has ended up in the PCA or revealed via filings. IIRC, JMO

Surviving roommate in university stabbings begs to not face 'killer' in court

Suspect Bryan Kohberger, 28, has been charged with four counts of first-degree murder and burglary after four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death on November 13, 2022

www.mirror.co.uk

I see dozens of other threads linking to Mirror articles so I'm going to assume it's OK. This is just one of the many sources.

Also, IMO, BK's defense has hinted at this numerous times before, too.

MOO

Thank you for the article, though it sounds like it was written by a third grader using AI. Naked makes sense, too (also freaking freezing your parts off), but then there ought to be other DNA type evidence, IMO. So BF saw a naked man and DM saw...a naked man with a black mask? With or without shoes?