4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[gremlin444]

Now we know that DM made her way downstairs to BF's bedroom and spent the early morning hours until noon sleeping in there. There is still the blood on the bannister leading downstairs which is reported mixed M&F DNA. So, especially now, I am really wondering why LE didn't test that sample to confirm what went on inside that house? I would expect one of the following results:

Victim/unknown male
DM/unknown male
I am hoping that, at least, LE knows the unknown male DNA is NOT EC. However, if they have not determined that then the other possibilities are:
Victim/EC
DM/EC

The question is where did the blood come from? If it was DM/unknown male or DM/EC, then where did DM encounter the blood to get it on the bannister? If it was a victim/unknown male, then did BF/DM hear or see someone come down to the 1st floor? I think it is important to investigate thoroughly and to, inasmuch is possible, confirm what BF and DM told LE via any physical evidence available.

That is making a huge assumption that it was a fresh blood stain.

And why would DM's DNA be in it if it was a fresh blood stain? Just because she walked downstairs in the middle of the night after the murders?

If she touched a fresh bloodstain on the railing as she went down, she would have then seen or felt the wetness on her fingers/hand once she got to BF's room. And I'm pretty confident that if she and BF saw fresh blood on D's hand right after D reported seeing a stranger in the house/hearing weird things that they wouldn't have gone straight to bed and not called 911 until noon. Once you see fresh blood, you can no longer tell yourself that everything is fine.

It can't be DM's DNA being on the railing first from going to BF's room and then the killer touching it and leaving blood---because the killer had already left the house at that point. And I think we can be very safe in knowing that the killer had left before she went down--because those two girls now in DM's room would have been on high alert for the sounds of someone creeping down the that flight of stairs.

 

[Balthazar]

BBM--where is this reported?
JMO

Where is what reported? The bloodstain mixture on the bannister??? That was discussed in detail in the Jan 23/24, 2025 hearings, along with the other blood evidence. But it is also discussed in this article:

Unidentified blood DNA at Idaho college student homicides home could aid Kohberger defense

Detectives who investigated the Moscow college student homicides found blood at the crime scene from two still-unidentified males, attorneys for the man charged with murder revealed at a recent hearing, hinting to a possible legal defense strategy at trial.

cdapress.com

This is what we know of so far:
A. DNA and blood on the sheath
B. Blood mixture on bannister inside 1122 between 1st and 2nd floor
C. unknown DNA sample - no information where this was or if it is blood or touch DNA other than it was found somewhere inside 1122.
D. Blood in gloves found outside 1122 King Rd by CSI on 11/20/22
E. DNA sample from trash from Kohberger residence

We already discussed the DNA from the bannister here - I think in the last thread.

 

[QB2022]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897386948857098266

 

[Balthazar]

That is making a huge assumption that it was a fresh blood stain.

And why would DM's DNA be in it if it was a fresh blood stain? Just because she walked downstairs in the middle of the night after the murders?

If she touched a fresh bloodstain on the railing as she went down, she would have then seen or felt the wetness on her fingers/hand once she got to BF's room. And I'm pretty confident that if she and BF saw fresh blood on D's hand right after D reported seeing a stranger in the house/hearing weird things that they wouldn't have gone straight to bed and not called 911 until noon. Once you see fresh blood, you can no longer tell yourself that everything is fine.

It can't be DM's DNA being on the railing first from going to BF's room and then the killer touching it and leaving blood---because the killer had already left the house at that point. And I think we can be very safe in knowing that the killer had left before she went down--because those two girls now in DM's room would have been on high alert for the sounds of someone creeping down the that flight of stairs.

House was completely renovated and the staircase and bannister where the blood was found was only built in 2019 and the house was not occupied until 2020. People don't normally go to each others houses and bleed all over the place. Considering what had happened in the house, it is more likely than not that it was a fresh bloodstain. Everyone who went in that house after the murders said blood was everywhere and it was a real mess. When I watched CSI process the house on TV, you could see they spent a lot of time in the living room and around the bannister on the second floor with swabs. They were also very interested in the bathroom on that floor. IMO, it would not be surprising for DM to have come into contact with blood in that area. She may or may not have felt it. Certainly, I've found something on my hand that I didn't know how it got there. That's not unusual. My main concern is LE had some evidence that it does not appear they completely investigated. If that was DM's DNA on the bannister, it would support her story.

 

[jepop]

Where is what reported? The bloodstain mixture on the bannister??? That was discussed in detail in the Jan 23/24, 2025 hearings, along with the other blood evidence. But it is also discussed in this article:

Unidentified blood DNA at Idaho college student homicides home could aid Kohberger defense

Detectives who investigated the Moscow college student homicides found blood at the crime scene from two still-unidentified males, attorneys for the man charged with murder revealed at a recent hearing, hinting to a possible legal defense strategy at trial.

cdapress.com

This is what we know of so far:
A. DNA and blood on the sheath
B. Blood mixture on bannister inside 1122 between 1st and 2nd floor
C. unknown DNA sample - no information where this was or if it is blood or touch DNA other than it was found somewhere inside 1122.
D. Blood in gloves found outside 1122 King Rd by CSI on 11/20/22
E. DNA sample from trash from Kohberger residence

We already discussed the DNA from the bannister here - I think in the last thread.

Yeah, your linked article says nothing about the bannister DNA being a mixed male/ female sample which is what was being questioned by @wendy44. I don't think it was specified at the hearing either. That was discussed on the thread at the time, and I feel claiming it was a mixed male/female sample on the handrail is simply your interpretation only. Jmo

 

[Nila Aella]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897386948857098266

He was excluded with further testing of the fingernail mixture.

More importantly, Mr. Kohberger has disclosed that through further independent laboratory testing, he is eliminated as a contributor to Item 13.1.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022425-Motion-inLimine5-RE-Inconclusive-Data.pdf

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

Yeah, your linked article says nothing about the bannister DNA being a mixed male/ female sample which is what was being questioned by @wendy44. I don't think it was specified at the hearing either. That was discussed on the thread at the time, and I feel claiming it was a mixed male/female sample on the handrail is simply your interpretation only. Jmo

I went back and checked, and your are right, blood on the bannister is unknown male B. So...that's unfortunate from the standpoint it cannot help DM's story. And it is an anomaly based on what we have learned thus far because it possibly puts a perpetrator going down to the 1st floor - unless it turns out BF or DM said someone came downstairs - which is still possible I assume since we have not seen all of the discovery.

This is discussed at 6:58 here:

 

[MassGuy]

I went back and checked, and your are right, blood on the bannister is unknown male B. So...that's unfortunate from the standpoint it cannot help DM's story. And it is an anomaly based on what we have learned thus far because it possibly puts a perpetrator going down to the 1st floor - unless it turns out BF or DM said someone came downstairs - which is still possible I assume since we have not seen all of the discovery.

This is discussed at 6:58 here:

Why doesn't DM's story need help?

There is zero evidence the perpetrator went down to the first floor, and absolutely no other matching blood at the scene, which there absolutely should be if he cut himself.

There is just no evidence BK had help here.

 

[Nila Aella]

I went back and checked, and your are right, blood on the bannister is unknown male B. So...that's unfortunate from the standpoint it cannot help DM's story. And it is an anomaly based on what we have learned thus far because it possibly puts a perpetrator going down to the 1st floor - unless it turns out BF or DM said someone came downstairs - which is still possible I assume since we have not seen all of the discovery.

This is discussed at 6:58 here:

AT did mention Male B was a mixture in a question to RN when she was inquiring about the trash pull mixture.
JMO

Q. Okay. Did you tell me, though, on that sample, and I'm talking about 95.9.1, that was a male and a female?
A. I believe that -- I don't know if it was designated as that in the laboratory report. To my knowledge it was -- I can't remember what the report said. Again, I didn't generate the report and didn't do the work, so I'm not as familiar with it as if it was my own work.
A. Okay.
Q. Male B was also a mixture, wasn't it?
A. I don't know.

Pg 65

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

 

[mrjitty]

I went back and checked, and your are right, blood on the bannister is unknown male B. So...that's unfortunate from the standpoint it cannot help DM's story. And it is an anomaly based on what we have learned thus far because it possibly puts a perpetrator going down to the 1st floor - unless it turns out BF or DM said someone came downstairs - which is still possible I assume since we have not seen all of the discovery.

This is discussed at 6:58 here:

DM lived in the house. Her DNA is no doubt present in many locations. You can’t prove movements in the house based off her DNA.

IMO

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


New developments in the Bryan Kohberger case— DNA from 3 people found under one of the victims nails. Also defense could be using Autism to try and drop the death penalty. And judge is fed up with secret filings. I’m in for Banfield at 10pm on @NewsNation breaking it all down.


5:42 PM · Mar 5, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897417445851472320

 

[Balthazar]

DM lived in the house. Her DNA is no doubt present in many locations. You can’t prove movements in the house based off her DNA.

IMO

You can if DM's DNA is mixed with blood from an unknown person likely shed on the night of the murder.

 

[Balthazar]

AT did mention Male B was a mixture in a question to RN when she was inquiring about the trash pull mixture.
JMO

Q. Okay. Did you tell me, though, on that sample, and I'm talking about 95.9.1, that was a male and a female?
A. I believe that -- I don't know if it was designated as that in the laboratory report. To my knowledge it was -- I can't remember what the report said. Again, I didn't generate the report and didn't do the work, so I'm not as familiar with it as if it was my own work.
A. Okay.
Q. Male B was also a mixture, wasn't it?
A. I don't know.

Pg 65

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

Thank you so much! I thought I had definitely heard that unknown male B was a mixture somewhere. That makes sense.

 

[Karin1974]

Yes, as I said in my earlier post, one might conclude the sheath was brought to the scene. And the most logical person to do that would have been the killer. That's not an airtight conclusion though. And it certainly doesn't speak to the sheath being a part of the murder weapon.
MOO

IMO - Are you really making the argument that the sheath that was found either beside or partially under MM’s not alive body doesn’t speak to the sheath being a part of the murder weapon? Really? Wow! MOO

 

[NCWatcher]

IMO - Are you really making the argument that the sheath that was found either beside or partially under MM’s not alive body doesn’t speak to the sheath being a part of the murder weapon? Really? Wow! MOO

I do not consider a knife holder to be part of a knife. I do not consider a holster to be part of a gun. I do not consider a glass container to be part of a poisonous substance that might be placed in it. I do not consider an aquarium to be part of the deadly fish it may hold.

Please note I did not say the sheath wasn't potentially important. A holster, glass container, or an aquarium might be important in other situations. But in most situations I don't consider holders or cases to be parts of the thing they may (or may not) hold. You may find that view astonishing but I'm just as astonished people would think the opposite. Fortunately, we are all entitled to our opinions. Because both viewers are simply that-- personal opinions. Not hard facts, just opinions.
MOO

 

[wendy44]

AT did mention Male B was a mixture in a question to RN when she was inquiring about the trash pull mixture.
JMO

Q. Okay. Did you tell me, though, on that sample, and I'm talking about 95.9.1, that was a male and a female?
A. I believe that -- I don't know if it was designated as that in the laboratory report. To my knowledge it was -- I can't remember what the report said. Again, I didn't generate the report and didn't do the work, so I'm not as familiar with it as if it was my own work.
A. Okay.
Q. Male B was also a mixture, wasn't it?
A. I don't know.

Pg 65

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/022125-Transcript-Redacted-hearing-held-Jan23-2025.pdf

Yes--and she went on to say:

If it was designated as Unknown Male B, again, I don't know if it was from a mixed sample or not.

The way AT asks her does imply that she knows this to be true so maybe the defense did their own testing and we can speculate about it, but I don't think there's been any testimony or report for us to know this is a fact.
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I do not consider a knife holder to be part of a knife. I do not consider a holster to be part of a gun. I do not consider a glass container to be part of a poisonous substance that might be placed in it. I do not consider an aquarium to be part of the deadly fish it may hold.

Please note I did not say the sheath wasn't potentially important. A holster, glass container, or an aquarium might be important in other situations. But in most situations I don't consider holders or cases to be parts of the thing they may (or may not) hold. You may find that view astonishing but I'm just as astonished people would think the opposite. Fortunately, we are all entitled to our opinions. Because both viewers are simply that-- personal opinions. Not hard facts, just opinions.
MOO

A sheath and knife are a functional unit; the sheath is custom made for that specific knife.

A sheath isn’t just a holder—it’s an extension of the knife. Without a knife, a sheath has no purpose. It should not be there unless the knife itself was present. Especially considering it had blood on it.

Finding a bloody Kbar sheath at a stabbing scene is like finding a gun’s magazine next to bullet-riddled bodies. I'd argue its logical the sheath is connected to the murder weapon, just like a magazine would logically be connected to the shooting victims.

I'd also argue that it's completely illogical to argue otherwise.

 

[Karin1974]

I wonder if, by August, BK will have pencil-drawn eyebrows.

Really won't help especially if the State presents his old driver's license.

Wax on, wax off.

So even if he has no eyebrows at trial, that sharp brow still gives the impression of them.

JMO

IMO - An eyebrow story of my own, I (F, 51) have always had very distinctive eyebrows. Lots of people notice them & my partner has been saying that they make me look evil for over 22 years. I recently became redundant from work & have been job searching. I had 7 interviews over the last couple of weeks. Unsuccessful for all of them. Partner says to me last Friday night, just wax those eyebrows Karin & I bet you get the first job you interview for after you’ve had them waxed. I take his advice & had my eyebrows waxed on Saturday morning. I had a job interview Tuesday afternoon at 1.30pm & started work with that company at 8am Wednesday! BK is not getting away from those distinct eyebrows permanently & neither am I. MOO.

 

[AcousticViper]

House was completely renovated and the staircase and bannister where the blood was found was only built in 2019 and the house was not occupied until 2020.

Not that it matters, but I don't think that is correct. Originally a two-story structure, 1122 was turned into a three-story home in the year 2000 after the rear was extended. A first floor staircase to the second floor must always have existed in some fashion, and we can observe the same stairwell in the rear planning application. The stairwell has existed since at least 2000.

People don't normally go to each others houses and bleed all over the place. Considering what had happened in the house, it is more likely than not that it was a fresh bloodstain.

The only information we have is a "blood spot" on the first- to second-floor hand rail. Not on the same level as XK/EC or MM/KG. Something that may have been caused by a student nicking their finger on a can of beer, for all we know.

 

[iamshadow21]

A sheath and knife are a functional unit; the sheath is custom made for that specific knife.

A sheath isn’t just a holder—it’s an extension of the knife. Without a knife, a sheath has no purpose. It should not be there unless the knife itself was present. Especially considering it had blood on it.

Finding a bloody Kbar sheath at a stabbing scene is like finding a gun’s magazine next to bullet-riddled bodies. I'd argue its logical the sheath is connected to the murder weapon, just like a magazine would logically be connected to the shooting victims.

I'd also argue that it's completely illogical to argue otherwise.

Yeah, a sheath is not a neutral or multipurpose object, especially not when found by the body of a stabbing victim.

It's not like a cup, or a chair, or an item of clothing, something that could mean something but could also mean absolutely nothing about the crime.

MOO