4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

[Gemmie]

The 911 Call

Woman 2: "Um, one of our - one of the roommates who's passed out and she was drunk last night and she's not waking up."

Woman 1: "Yeah, I'll come - come on. Let's - we gotta go check. But we have to. Is she passed out? She's passed out. What's wrong?"

Unsealed court documents reveal chilling texts and 911 call from night of Moscow student murders

MOSCOW, Idaho -- A Boise judge unsealed court documents Thursday of text and phone conversations that came from the Moscow house where four University of Idaho students were killed in

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SBMFF

I find it hard to understand how the roommates didn't see that Xana has been stabbed to death. There'd have to be blood at least on her and also on the floor. Plus, her fingers were nearly severed. I'm just not understanding how that could be mistaken for being passed out. But, since she apparently saw the dead body laying there, and thought she was just passed out, there has to be a reason for that, but what?

“Xana Kernodle put up a fierce fight when the attacker set upon her, repeatedly grabbing the attacker’s knife, so much so that she sustained deep cuts to her fingers and that her fingers were nearly severed,” sources close to the investigation told News Nation Thursday.

Idaho victim Xana Kernodle fought back against alleged killer Bryan Kohberger: report

Slain University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle fought back against alleged killer Bryan Kohberger — suffering noticeable defensive wounds on her hands, a report said.

nypost.com

 

[jepop]

I am not sure that all of the people who talked to the 9-1-1 operator had been into the house. Certainly 100+ threads into the case, I cannot easily find this, so take it for what it's worth, but, IIRC, DM and BF were outside the house when the call was made, and several students had come over, I THINK because someone had been called to come over and see if they could get someone to wake up, or maybe even the surviving roommates were unable to get into XK's room because someone was basically lying against the door, maybe. The phone was probably just being passed around, to someone who was not in such a state of shock, as I believe one of the roommates did, or almost did pass out. JMO

Yes, I don't think necessarily BF and/or DM had seen XK recumbent. At least I'm not getting that from the state's MIL on text message inclusion. Also moo I think this motion indicates there were probably just x2 extra people in the house when HJ made the discovery. I kept reading rumour how the house was supposedly full of 'many' young people compromising the crime scene, but jmo and conjecture the 'many' turned up soon after the 911 call. We will find out at trial, but I fail to see 'many' friends wandering through the house and crime scene after the discovery of XK's body. I feel that these young people would have been gathered outside the house. Jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

SBMFF

I find it hard to understand how the roommates didn't see that Xana has been stabbed to death. There'd have to be blood at least on her and also on the floor. Plus, her fingers were nearly severed. I'm just not understanding how that could be mistaken for being passed out. But, since she apparently saw the dead body laying there, and thought she was just passed out, there has to be a reason for that, but what?

“Xana Kernodle put up a fierce fight when the attacker set upon her, repeatedly grabbing the attacker’s knife, so much so that she sustained deep cuts to her fingers and that her fingers were nearly severed,” sources close to the investigation told News Nation Thursday.

Idaho victim Xana Kernodle fought back against alleged killer Bryan Kohberger: report

Slain University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle fought back against alleged killer Bryan Kohberger — suffering noticeable defensive wounds on her hands, a report said.

nypost.com

Sometimes shock is the reason.

I think it was maybe on a Forensic Files I watched years ago, a person was relating that they couldn't rouse their housemate, thought she might have had a heart attack or a seizure or something. Wasn't until some time later, after she'd called 911, that she realised her housemate and the room itself was drenched in blood. Her brain had shielded her from it until the paramedics walked in.

MOO

 

[Gemmie]

Sometimes shock is the reason.

I think it was maybe on a Forensic Files I watched years ago, a person was relating that they couldn't rouse their housemate, thought she might have had a heart attack or a seizure or something. Wasn't until some time later, after she'd called 911, that she realised her housemate and the room itself was drenched in blood. Her brain had shielded her from it until the paramedics walked in.

MOO

Thank you. Never having been in that situation (thank goodness) I was having a hard time understanding how it could be. Yet there it was in B&W in the transcript.

That's actually pretty interesting to consider what the mind can do to protect us from something unpleasant.

 

[gremlin444]

We know from BF in the texts that Xana had been wearing all black that day (we also see that in the picture taken of all 4 of them on that last day). Dark colored clothing, darkened room (historical weather data shows it as being cloudy pretty much all day) from clouds and window covering (ad from her selling bed showed what looked like a blanket or large piece of cloth over the window). If she's facing away from the door or face down, from a distance it's easy not to see. I think H who went up to the room only went so far before realizing something was really wrong and stopped and ran down to the girls outside or called/texted them to tell them to call 911. I suspect that even if he realized he had seen something, he may have chosen not to tell BF & DM everything.

 

[MassGuy]

Kaylee's Dad on NewsNation right now:

He didn't know this was coming out today. His wife didn't want the 911 call coming out at all. So they are disappointed they weren't given the heads up. "It's a bit rough."

It's not like Hollywood. "Raw emotional breakdown of two girls who were scared for their lives."

In reference to the texts: Talks about pranking and partying going on. He can see how they thought it was something like that. His daughter loved to prank people. Really feels for these two girls and laments the treatment these girls have received. Talks about feeling the need to push back, which is why he does these interviews.

His attorney is "pissed" that the prosecutor's office and victim's advocate didn't let them know this was coming.

Dad talks about being surprised that "sadistic" wasn't on the banned word list. References websites that he supposedly visited. Hopes the prosecution doesn't give in to some sort of plea deal.

He's all for the death penalty here.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897843840679395627

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article301603669.html

 

[MTW2011]

I don’t think they all saw her. I think it was one person and then things were relayed to the others.

That foundation blood thing was Daily Mail nonsense. There’s no evidence that was blood, and it makes no sense that blood could drip through the walls and floors.

so if we take your premise that they didn’t all see her, would that mean neither one of the two roommates (who saw the victims) relayed anything about blood or injuries to the others who spoke? Or one or both of them did relay that there was blood and/or injuries to those who did speak to 911 but then not one but both of those people for any number of reasons did not relay what they were told, did not say it in different terms, and instead went with the victim possible being unconscious (again, could be for any number of reasons)

Doesn’t that seem to strain credulity? Certainly does to me. I just don’t see many scenarios where, if two people saw any of the victims, described them in a way that was either so different than how they actually were, OR they described what they saw but the words those others said to 911 were somehow translated to being passed out. It sounds from the plain text like there was a lot going on, things were frantic, it doesn’t appear to be a case of “my friend ran over here and said this happened, I’m calling 911 and the friend ran back so I can’t ask them anything while on the call with 911” but JMOO.

Unless of course we are thinking the roommates didn’t actually see the victim(s) they were calling about, then the passed out remarks I could see making some sense.

 

[MassGuy]

so if we take your premise that they didn’t all see her, would that mean neither one of the two roommates (who saw the victims) relayed anything about blood or injuries to the others who spoke? Or one or both of them did relay that there was blood and/or injuries to those who did speak to 911 but then not one but both of those people for any number of reasons did not relay what they were told, did not say it in different terms, and instead went with the victim possible being unconscious (again, could be for any number of reasons)

Doesn’t that seem to strain credulity? Certainly does to me. I just don’t see many scenarios where, if two people saw any of the victims, described them in a way that was either so different than how they actually were, OR they described what they saw but the words those others said to 911 were somehow translated to being passed out. It sounds from the plain text like there was a lot going on, things were frantic, it doesn’t appear to be a case of “my friend ran over here and said this happened, I’m calling 911 and the friend ran back so I can’t ask them anything while on the call with 911” but JMOO.

Unless of course we are thinking the roommates didn’t actually see the victim(s) they were calling about, then the passed out remarks I could see making some sense.

The last part. I think maybe that male guest was the one who saw her, and then relayed it to everyone else. These girls would have been too scared to check on their own, and that's why I think he was there in the first place.

It's confusing without hearing the actual call. And still impossible to know how this actually went down until they testify.

 

[MTW2011]

What do you all make of this piece of info? It is part of Motion in Limine 6. If I understand this correctly (and I may not be), BK was able to be excluded from the sample found/noted as on the back of knife sheath…?

“An area identified as Q1.4, "swabs of stains on back" of the sheath, tested presumptively positive for blood and was DNA tested. Mr. Kohberger was excluded from this particular sample which was identified as a mixture (ISP Lab Report M2022-4843, #4). Thus, the government has the burden to prove the when and how of the DNA identified in Q1.1.”

From page 10 here https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...Rylene-Nowlin-Reference-Touch-Contact-DNA.pdf

 

[Ghostwheel]

The last part. I think maybe that male guest was the one who saw her, and then relayed it to everyone else. These girls would have been too scared to check on their own, and that's why I think he was there in the first place.

It's confusing without hearing the actual call. And still impossible to know how this actually went down until they testify.

From reading the texts and calls, I now believe that DM did, in fact run to the stairs and down to BF's room without looking at anything except the stairs so she didn't trip. That, IMO, would have taken everything she had to do so. I also believe woman 1, did not really see anything, too afraid to go in too far. I almost think woman 2 is a neighbor who was trying to help, but very much hadn't been inside to see anything.

And I can totally see a friend going in, seeing what was there, coming back out and telling the others to call 911, but not saying exactly what he saw. In fact, he could have been a contributor to the smear of blood on the rail. Theory only.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Adding a note that if you are standing down the hall and yelling at a roommate to wake up and they don't move, you might not go too much closer depending on who you are.

 

[MTW2011]

Kaylee's Dad on NewsNation right now:

He didn't know this was coming out today. His wife didn't want the 911 call coming out at all. So they are disappointed they weren't given the heads up. "It's a bit rough."

It's not like Hollywood. "Raw emotional breakdown of two girls who were scared for their lives."

In reference to the texts: Talks about pranking and partying going on. He can see how they thought it was something like that. His daughter loved to prank people. Really feels for these two girls and laments the treatment these girls have received. Talks about feeling the need to push back, which is why he does these interviews.

His attorney is "pissed" that the prosecutor's office and victim's advocate didn't let them know this was coming.

Dad talks about being surprised that "sadistic" wasn't on the banned word list. References websites that he supposedly visited. Hopes the prosecution doesn't give in to some sort of plea deal.

He's all for the death penalty here.

apologies as this won’t be a popular opinion but this prosecution does not have to inform them (or any of the victims’ families) before a motion like this containing some information becomes public. I’ve repeatedly worried that some of their expectations are set so unrealistically that they’re almost doomed from the start. And, sadly, I haven’t gotten the impression that this prosecution team is going out of their way to warn the families of some of this info becoming public before trial. And, if they believe they deserve to have some sort of heads up, I really worry they’re going to continue to be let down and hurt. it’s sad to see, but perhaps come trial they will have been able to adjust some of their expectations a bit more. I wish the Victim’s advocate services, especially in the bigger county now, could help them with some of this. The fact that they feel blindsided makes me believe that they didn’t even think something like this being released before trial was a possibility, and that’s a type of conversation that can be had and can help adjust their expectations so that they’re not continually getting hurt as more continues to come out. JMOO.

 

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[Ghostwheel]

JMOO but I believe this phenomena could be more at play IF there wasn’t 3 to 4 (possibly another) different people who spoke to the dispatcher. It seems unlikely to me that ALL of them would not mention any injuries or any blood. If the 911 call was limited to one or even both of the surviving roommates I could see it being plausible the shock factor affecting what was said to 911, but 4 people? That’s a lot.

I’m not alleging they knew something or were hiding something, but it seems odd that all of those who spoke to 911 seemed to not mention anything about what was otherwise described as a total blood bath per the Coroner and the victims’ families. I think we all saw the photos of blood dripping down the foundation. If I saw someone with even a small amount of blood or injury, I’m struggling to see how my mind would get to “unconscious” and we know this victim was very far from having a small injury. JMOO.

I'm not sure there were 3 or 4 people talking to the dispatcher. The transcript only shows 2. I suspect they passed the phone back and forth so much that the dispatcher was frustrated and exaggerated a bit. JMO, though.

I also suspect that whoever saw Xana only saw part of her, like if she were half in the bathroom outside of her room. If the parts with the most damage was IN the bathroom, a roommate might think she had passed out on the way to the toilet. But by 10:30 and you're yelling at the person laying on the floor and they aren't moving, time to go get some backup if you aren't the person that dives right into those situations.

I, personally, do not expect anyone to have reacted in any specific way in that situation. JMOO, as always.

 

[MTW2011]

I'm not sure there were 3 or 4 people talking to the dispatcher. The transcript only shows 2. I suspect they passed the phone back and forth so much that the dispatcher was frustrated and exaggerated a bit. JMO, though.

I also suspect that whoever saw Xana only saw part of her, like if she were half in the bathroom outside of her room. If the parts with the most damage was IN the bathroom, a roommate might think she had passed out on the way to the toilet. But by 10:30 and you're yelling at the person laying on the floor and they aren't moving, time to go get some backup if you aren't the person that dives right into those situations.

I, personally, do not expect anyone to have reacted in any specific way in that situation. JMOO, as always.

Maybe it wasn’t all 4 talking at some point to the dispatcher, but the State is saying “all declarants” (which there are 4 identified) “personally perceived the event (i.e.- Kernodle unresponsive)” FWIW.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Maybe it wasn’t all 4 talking at some point to the dispatcher, but the State is saying “all declarants” (which there are 4 identified) “personally perceived the event (i.e.- Kernodle unresponsive)” FWIW.

Hmm. But all declarants personally perceived the event WHEN? When the first responder went in, does that make him a declarant? Serious question.

 

[MTW2011]

Hmm. But all declarants personally perceived the event WHEN? When the first responder went in, does that make him a declarant? Serious question.

Well I don’t think we need to guess, as the State literally says this in their Motion…. “
The majority of the declarations were describing to Dispatcher Carolina Calvin what they were perceiving (i.e. present sense impressions). Those statements relate to Kernodle being passed out and not waking up. The declarations were made immediately after H.J. discovered Kernodle's body”

I don’t see any reason why they would be describing to a dispatcher after the first responder(s) went in, and that doesn’t align with what the State is saying. Half of the State’s argument is that these were literally in-the-moment types of statements, not afterwards, not after a period of reflection, not later on during a police interview, etc.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Well I don’t think we need to guess, as the State literally says this in their Motion…. “
The majority of the declarations were describing to Dispatcher Carolina Calvin what they were perceiving (i.e. present sense impressions). Those statements relate to Kernodle being passed out and not waking up. The declarations were made immediately after H.J. discovered Kernodle's body”

I don’t see any reason why they would be describing to a dispatcher after the first responder(s) went in, and that doesn’t align with what the State is saying. Half of the State’s argument is that these were literally in-the-moment types of statements, not afterwards, not after a period of reflection, not later on during a police interview, etc.

Not Trying to be obtuse, but the dispatcher talks to these people and some sound like first responders, like

Man 4: "Moscow 46 out."
Or
Man 4: "13. I think we have a homicide."
Man 5: "Moscow engine 20 is en route."
Man 4: "13 70."
Man 2: "70 (unintelligible). 107 I relayed it."

"The declarations were made immediately after H.J. discovered Kernodle's body" could mean anybody who was on the scene. "I think we have a homicide" sure sounds like someone describing what was on the scene.

ETA: I'm just wondering what the definition of "declarant" is or maybe just is in regards what they plan to allow. It's not important, just curious.

 

[MTW2011]

Not Trying to be obtuse, but the dispatcher talks to these people and some sound like first responders, like

Man 4: "Moscow 46 out."
Or
Man 4: "13. I think we have a homicide."
Man 5: "Moscow engine 20 is en route."
Man 4: "13 70."
Man 2: "70 (unintelligible). 107 I relayed it."

"The declarations were made immediately after H.J. discovered Kernodle's body" could mean anybody who was on the scene. "I think we have a homicide" sure sounds like someone describing what was on the scene.

yeah but those quotes are AFTER the statements describing Kernodle, no?

Those appear at the very end of the transcript after the “declarants” have described Kernodle (exactly how the State says they described the victim). Regardless, I’m not sure the sticking point here, I know you asked “when”. The State seems to be calling the 2 surviving roommates and the 2 other friends the “declarants” and they have put forward this idea that all 4 of them “personally perceived” Kernodle. Perhaps the timing of when each/all of them perceived whatever they perceived will come out more in trial. It is difficult to discern from just text right now.