4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #101

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  • #961
SBM
IGG does not lead to a specific individual. At best, it leads to a family group.
This is incorrect. It depends on the matches. Sometimes there is only one individual who can fit in the puzzle of the various matches and their percentage of shared DNA with the unknown person.

Regardless, even if true, this is why IGG is considered a tip, not evidence. The tip is pointing to the the family group. The evidence is the direct match of the DNA at the crime scene and the suspect.
JMO
We need to be really careful here about committing to BK because he may have other distant family members in the area who committed this crime whom we know nothing about whatsoever.
The defense says it's BK's DNA. Is the defense lying?
JMO

On the contrary, the defense has disclosed that its Forensic Biology and DNA expert will testify that “[t]here is good support that Mr. Kohberger’s DNA was found on Item 1.1, a swab from the knife sheath.”

 
  • #962
Good thing he left his DNA to help answer the question who was this mystery invader. 😎
Touch DNA which is nearly meaningless. It can't even prove he was ever in that house much less touched the sheath. And there is 0 BK DNA anywhere else in the house, no BK fingerprints, no BK bodily fluids. Nothing to corroborate the touch DNA.
SBM

This is incorrect. It depends on the matches. Sometimes there is only one individual who can fit in the puzzle of the various matches and their percentage of shared DNA with the unknown person.

Regardless, even if true, this is why IGG is considered a tip, not evidence. The tip is pointing to the the family group. The evidence is the direct match of the DNA at the crime scene and the suspect.
JMO

The defense says it's BK's DNA. Is the defense lying?
JMO

On the contrary, the defense has disclosed that its Forensic Biology and DNA expert will testify that “[t]here is good support that Mr. Kohberger’s DNA was found on Item 1.1, a swab from the knife sheath.”

I've already posted a half dozen links showing it is correct.
 
  • #963
So.... someone who looks an awful lot like BK got his hands on BK's knife and sheath, abd while BK was driving around in his Elantra, the doppelganger was driving around in a copycat Elantra, and while BK drove around with his phone off, the doppelberger murdered four coeds. And BK was aware of this so he drove by the scene the next morning and obsessed over protecting his DNA with gloves and baggies.

Guess we can look forward to BK taking the stand to tell the jury about how and when his sheath went missing.

I guess this is where you get when you've got nothing else.

JMO
No- some one who looks like BK and has a white Elantra stole his DNA some how, and only smeared the tiniest bit on the snap of a knife sheath- and not anywhere else- to set him up, if, after a quadruple murder, every surface in the area was tested. Diabolical. I have to say that if BK did not do this, he is the unluckiest person ever.
 
  • #964
His traffic stop has dialogue.

6 minute video.

This makes he feel like he would love to represent himself. Smartest guy in the room and all that.
 
  • #965
Touch DNA which is nearly meaningless. It can't even prove he was ever in that house much less touched the sheath. And there is 0 BK DNA anywhere else in the house, no BK fingerprints, no BK bodily fluids. Nothing to corroborate the touch DNA.

I've already posted a half dozen links showing it is correct.
That's simply not true. The DNA is on a snap to the sheath, as opposed to merely the sheath itself (that would be hard enough to explain away).

That DNA is in such a quantity that it is more likely the result of direct transfer (my research), which the crime lab analyst plans to testify to.

So you've got DNA in a location the killer had to touch. This DNA is in a quantity that lends itself to direct transfer. When you couple that with the fact that this was a single source profile, and it makes the odds of it being a result of secondary transfer very unlikely.

His car movements and cell phone activity slam that door shut, confirming that he left that DNA because he is the killer.
 
  • #966
Where he lives, that may be true, but he isn’t doing any shopping where he lives, as that’s nothing but homes. At the nearby town of Brodheadsville, SE of his home, where someone might go to shop or eat or visit a store at which to buy a large knife, I found these things:

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There are no train tracks where I live so I guess I stop on train tracks if I want to.

BK supplies The Worst Excuse for why he doesn't think he did anything wrong.

We don't have crosswalks so we can just disrupt traffic all day.

The fact that he doesn't even know or care how ridiculous he sounds, notwithstanding.

By virtue of getting behind the wheel, we implicitly agree to adhere to the laws of the road, whether they're hugely relevant in the rural towns we live in or not.

But then how do you argue with someone who is quick to point out that rules don't really apply to him?

If she had given him a ticket, would he still be there forcing discussion?

JMO
 
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  • #967
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For him to be innocent, one would need to accept a scenario where: (a) his DNA was coincidentally or deliberately planted on the sheath, (b) his car and phone were near the scene by chance or due to someone else’s actions, and (c) all this aligns with a criminology student’s profile unrelated to the crime. Each piece compounds the improbability—multiplying small fractions like 0.01 (1%) for DNA misplacement, 0.05 (5%) for vehicle coincidence, and 0.10 (10%) for phone data misalignment yields a combined probability well under 0.1% (1 in 1,000).
I love math!
 
  • #968
I’d understand the argument that the DNA on the sheath may be meaningless IF the sheath was riddled with multiple unidentified sources of DNA. It’s not impossible, in that case, that the knife sheath was sold on eBay and passed around until it somehow ended up in that house. But, the key thing for me is that there was nobody else’s DNA on the snap of that knife. The PCA says they identified a SINGLE male source. Nobody else’s (other than the victims, most likely). In that case, this sheath has been wiped down meticulously, leaving one single trace.

If there had been a combination of many different sources, from all different owners or handlers, maybe BK would have a fighting chance. Moo.
 
  • #969
I often spend time doing "reverse engineering", to decipher old patterns. It is probably similar to detective work, starting with the white Hyundai Elantra. I am not sure if LEO ever had the license plate, but even with the vehicle, I would have started with who drives a white Hyundai Elantra on campus, as a student, cars have to be registered to park on campus. Check for registration for vehicle in a 40 mile radius.

Eliminate females, because statistically, mass murders with a knife are committed by men. Check registered owners of White Hyundai Elantra's who are male, within age group of 20-35. Let's say, there are 65 cars registrated to males in area.

65 people are not that hard to do preliminary investigations on, BK would have been on a list of top ten, due to his age, and the fact that he left the area would have put him in top three to review more carefully. Especially if others had ironclad albis, they were with wife, or whatever. BK has zero alibi. He even admitted to driving in area to watch stars. He didn't even say he was at home in bed.

Even without his DNA, I believe that he would have been zeroed in on here. LEO had everyone working this case, including FBI.
 
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  • #971
What is the scenario actually?

It's his DNA. It's his sheath. But someone else left it in the bed? Why?

It's his DNA. But it's not his sheath. Someone planted his DNA on their sheath. Why?

It's his DNA but earlier in the night BK encountered his virtual twin whom he touched who in turn touched a sheath, depositing BK's DNA but not his own.

It's his DNA and it wafted in on a light breeze and landed on the touchpoint of a sheath under/near the body of a slain victim.

You'd have a better chance convincing me that BK stole the sheath than it was stolen from him.

So AT needs the jurors to believe it's BK's DNA but:

1. He didn't touch it. Someone else transferred his DNA there.

2. BK's driving around has nothing in common with the real murderer's driving around, regardless of any 12 times driving around.

3. BK's phone blackout is merely coincidental.

4. There are two white Elantras without front license plates driving around Moscow.

5. BK decided to be paranoid about his DNA. Because.... why?

6. The other guy also has bushy eyebrows, so bushy AT wants the judge to strike that word.

7. BK never once thought to mention, "say, before you lock me up for life, I just remembered that my brand new, Amazon kbar and sheath were stolen."

8. Touch DNA is so unreliable it should be tossed. Even if all the other evidence points toward the one individual to whom it matches.

She's behind the 8 ball here.

And he's sunk, corner pocket.

JMO
 
  • #972
BK Speaking
This traffic stop offers lots and lots of BK dialogue where you can get a real sense of how he speaks:
@Balthazar :) Thanks for providing link to the traffic stop.

Your earlier post said: "a unique cadence and PA accent."
A PA ACCENT , meaning a Philly accent, “Pittsburghese," Pennsylvania-Dutch, or ____?
Personally I'm not picking up a distinctive-to-me accent, just kinda sorta generic Midwest, but that's me. Others may hear something which nails it as a PA accent of certain kind as you did.

Now, as to voice.
Let's say, a person in an extreeemely confusing circumstance hears a stranger say---
It's okay now, I'm here to help (<--- this, approx'ly ten words).
Later listening to an in-person line-up or recorded versions of the sentence, would that person, be able to select the "matching" voice? IDK, possible.

Even reading the same words as others, a perp speaking in a line-up may make efforts to DISGUISE his voice, by modifying volume, pitch, tempo, inflection, accent, etc.. May or may not succeed in evading his identification. IDK, possible.
imo

Again thx for raising the question.

And I feel like a nit-wit for not remembering the traffic stop vid.
 
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  • #973
What is the scenario actually?

It's his DNA. It's his sheath. But someone else left it in the bed? Why?

It's his DNA. But it's not his sheath. Someone planted his DNA on their sheath. Why?

It's his DNA but earlier in the night BK encountered his virtual twin whom he touched who in turn touched a sheath, depositing BK's DNA but not his own.

It's his DNA and it wafted in on a light breeze and landed on the touchpoint of a sheath under/near the body of a slain victim.

You'd have a better chance convincing me that BK stole the sheath than it was stolen from him.

So AT needs the jurors to believe it's BK's DNA but:

1. He didn't touch it. Someone else transferred his DNA there.

2. BK's driving around has nothing in common with the real murderer's driving around, regardless of any 12 times driving around.

3. BK's phone blackout is merely coincidental.

4. There are two white Elantras without front license plates driving around Moscow.

5. BK decided to be paranoid about his DNA. Because.... why?

6. The other guy also has bushy eyebrows, so bushy AT wants the judge to strike that word.

7. BK never once thought to mention, "say, before you lock me up for life, I just remembered that my brand new, Amazon kbar and sheath were stolen."

8. Touch DNA is so unreliable it should be tossed. Even if all the other evidence points toward the one individual to whom it matches.

She's behind the 8 ball here.

And he's sunk, corner pocket.

JMO
Strong reasoning. Strong presentation.
 
  • #974
If DM said BK is the person she saw, how does that advance the case against BK? If anything it opens HER up to 'how can you be so sure?'

The case of BK doesn't even come down to this.

JMO
 
  • #975
Just some things the defense could potentially do here. There are a lot of issues with this, but it's possible they could make some of these arguments:

Defense Scenario: The Frame Job and Coincidental Movements
Overview: The defense could argue that Bryan Kohberger was framed by an unknown party who planted his DNA on the knife sheath, and that his car and phone movements on November 13, 2022, were unrelated to the crime, consistent with his habitual late-night drives and innocent activities.
Explaining the DNA on the Knife Sheath
  • Transfer or Planting Hypothesis: The defense could assert that Kohberger’s DNA was inadvertently transferred to the knife sheath or deliberately planted by someone with access to his genetic material. For example:
    • Kohberger, a criminology Ph.D. student, might have handled similar Ka-Bar knife sheaths during his studies, research, or casual interactions (e.g., at a store, a friend’s house, or a class demonstration). Someone could have collected an item he touched—like a discarded coffee cup or glove—and transferred his DNA to the sheath.
    • Alternatively, the defense could suggest contamination during the investigation. With “hundreds of members of law enforcement” involved (as noted in prior defense filings), an officer might have unintentionally transferred Kohberger’s DNA from an unrelated item to the crime scene.
    • A more conspiratorial angle could propose that an unknown party—perhaps the real killer—targeted Kohberger due to his proximity (living in Pullman, near Moscow) and academic background, making him a convenient scapegoat. This party could have obtained his DNA from trash (as was done later by police at his parents’ home) and planted it on the sheath.
  • Lack of Victim DNA: The defense could emphasize that no DNA from the victims (Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, or Ethan Chapin) was found in Kohberger’s apartment, car, or personal belongings. In a bloody quadruple stabbing, one would expect the killer to have some trace of the victims’ blood or DNA on their person, clothing, or vehicle—yet none was reported. This absence supports the claim that Kohberger never entered the crime scene.
  • Other DNA at the Scene: The defense could highlight the presence of unidentified male DNA, including blood on a handrail and a glove outside the house, as evidence of another perpetrator. This suggests the real killer left traces, while Kohberger’s DNA on the sheath was an anomaly introduced artificially.
Explaining the Car Movements
  • Routine Late-Night Drives: Kohberger’s attorneys have claimed he was “driving alone” on November 13, 2022, to “look at the moon and stars” or to hike, a habit he often practiced. The defense could argue that his white Hyundai Elantra being spotted near Moscow was coincidental:
    • As a graduate student in Pullman, just 10 miles from Moscow, it’s plausible he frequently drove through the area for leisure or to clear his mind, especially given his interest in criminology and the outdoors (e.g., Wawawai Park, mentioned in court filings).
    • The white sedan captured on video near the Moscow-Pullman highway could belong to someone else. White Hyundai Elantras are common, and the defense could demand proof that the car’s license plate or specific features definitively match Kohberger’s vehicle.
  • No Physical Evidence in the Car: The defense could point out that, despite a thorough search of Kohberger’s Elantra (including seat cushions, pedals, and floor mats), no blood, hair, or other incriminating evidence from the victims was found. If he had committed a messy stabbing, some trace should have remained, even after cleaning—yet the car was clean, supporting the idea that it was never at the crime scene.
Explaining the Phone Movements
  • Cell Phone Expert Testimony: The defense has enlisted a cell phone data expert, Sy Ray, who claims Kohberger’s phone was south of Pullman and west of Moscow, not traveling east toward the crime scene on the Moscow-Pullman highway during the early morning hours of November 13. This could be framed as follows:
    • Kohberger turned off his phone (noted as being off from 2:47 a.m. to 4:48 a.m.) not to evade detection, but because he was in a remote area with poor signal (e.g., Wawawai Park) or simply to disconnect during a stargazing outing. The defense could argue this was a routine practice for him, not a suspicious act tied to the murders.
    • His phone pinging near his apartment at 2:42 a.m. and being seen on WSU surveillance at 2:44 a.m. places him in Pullman before the murders. The later return to Moscow at 9:12 a.m.–9:21 a.m. could be explained as a morning drive to get coffee or visit a friend—not a “jeering return” to the crime scene.
  • Unreliable Cell Data: The defense could challenge the precision of cell tower data, noting that pings cover wide areas and don’t pinpoint exact locations. Without GPS data from his car (which lacked an infotainment system), the prosecution’s timeline relies on inference, not proof.
Tying It Together: The Alibi and Motive
  • Alibi: Kohberger was driving alone, as he often did, in the rural areas around Pullman and Moscow, far from 1122 King Road. The defense could call witnesses (e.g., friends or classmates) to testify to his habit of late-night drives, or use his academic schedule to show he was preparing for a class or research project, needing solitude.
  • No Connection to Victims: The defense could reiterate that Kohberger had no known link to the victims—no social media interactions, no prior contact, no motive—unlike a hypothetical real killer who might have left the unidentified DNA. This lack of connection supports the framing theory: someone chose Kohberger as a fall guy precisely because he was an outsider with no ties to the victims, making his DNA’s presence seem damning.
Reasonable Doubt
The defense could argue to the jury:
  • If Kohberger’s DNA was planted or transferred, and no victim DNA ties him to the crime, the sheath evidence is unreliable.
  • If his car and phone movements align with an innocent routine, not the prosecution’s timeline, he wasn’t at the crime scene.
  • If other male DNA was present, the real killer remains at large, and Kohberger was a convenient target for a rushed investigation.

Critical Examination
This scenario hinges on speculation (e.g., planting DNA) and requires the defense to overcome strong prosecution evidence, like the single-source DNA match on the sheath and Kohberger’s proximity to the crime scene. The phone being off during the murder window and his car matching the description of one seen nearby are hard to dismiss as coincidence. However, the absence of victim DNA in his possession and the presence of other unidentified DNA could sow enough doubt to sway a jury, especially if the defense effectively challenges the investigation’s integrity.
 
  • #976
Just some things the defense could potentially do here. There are a lot of issues with this, but it's possible they could make some of these arguments:

Defense Scenario: The Frame Job and Coincidental Movements
Overview: The defense could argue that Bryan Kohberger was framed by an unknown party who planted his DNA on th... (Truncated for Brevity from the original post by me)
Reasonable Doubt
The defense could argue to the jury:
  • If Kohberger’s DNA was planted or transferred, and no victim DNA ties him to the crime, the sheath evidence is unreliable.
  • If his car and phone movements align with an innocent routine, not the prosecution’s timeline, he wasn’t at the crime scene.
  • If other male DNA was present, the real killer remains at large, and Kohberger was a convenient target for a rushed investigation.

Critical Examination
This scenario hinges on speculation (e.g., planting DNA) and requires the defense to overcome strong prosecution evidence, like the single-source DNA match on the sheath and Kohberger’s proximity to the crime scene. The phone being off during the murder window and his car matching the description of one seen nearby are hard to dismiss as coincidence. However, the absence of victim DNA in his possession and the presence of other unidentified DNA could sow enough doubt to sway a jury, especially if the defense effectively challenges the investigation’s integrity.
This is exactly what the defense is going to do- it all hinges on giving the jury multiple plausible explanations for his DNA being on that sheath. They only need to convince one stubborn person.
 
  • #977
S&BBM
I've already posted a half dozen links showing it is correct.
You said, "At best, it leads to a family group."

And this is just not correct. At best infers that there is a large pool of candidates and a certain unreliability. Sometimes it leads to only one possible person. From your own link:

We got lucky on Hawkins: A direct family member had uploaded a genetic DNA profile to a public open-source database.


This is exactly as I said--it depends on the matches and how much DNA they share with the unknown profile. The closer the matches, the fewer family members that will fit correctly in the puzzle sharing the correct amount of DNA with all the matches.

From your own link:

This list of genetic relatives, more commonly known as DNA matches, can range from close (e.g., sibling, parent–child) to distant (first cousins and beyond) relatives. The amount of DNA shared can then be used to compute probabilities for possible relationships to place DNA matches into predicted positions in the unknown individual’s family tree. Following this, documentary evidence, e.g., civil registration records (birth, marriage, death, etc.), plus other investigative evidence, can be used to build out the family trees of identified/verified DNA matches, typically beginning with identifying who the DNA match’s parents, grandparents, etc. are. As a family tree is built back through generations, a most recent common ancestor (MRCA) is searched for. This is an ancestor that both the unknown and the DNA match share and have both descended from. Building the family tree forwards in time from the MRCA(s) and filling in multiple branches of the tree to generate family networks, could lead to a potential identity of the unknown, or narrow it down to a group of brothers or sisters within a family.


This is the most common result--a group of siblings in one family. BK is the only known male sibling and lived by the crime scene--surely the focus would be on him, not a wider family group.

From your own link:

The genealogical research may lead to a possible candidate or candidates for the identity of the unknown. Multiple candidates may be suggested in cases where the genealogical research leads to a family of multiple brothers or multiple sisters. The genealogical research cannot determine which one of the brothers/sisters the unknown is suggested to be, however biographic information such as age, known addresses at the time of the crime, etc. may assist in narrowing it down to one brother/sister.

Candidate or candidates, one brother/one sister. It depends on the matches and sibling group.


Depending on the matches, IGG can be inherently self-checking. If you pinpoint an individual or sibling group, the DNA of the unknown must be consistently correct in that spot with all the matches and the amount of shared DNA.
JMO
 
  • #978
Just some things the defense could potentially do here. There are a lot of issues with this, but it's possible they could make some of these arguments:

Defense Scenario: The Frame Job and Coincidental Movements
Overview: The defense could argue that Bryan Kohberger was framed by an unknown party who planted his DNA on the knife sheath, and that his car and phone movements on November 13, 2022, were unrelated to the crime, consistent with his habitual late-night drives and innocent activities.
Explaining the DNA on the Knife Sheath
  • Transfer or Planting Hypothesis: The defense could assert that Kohberger’s DNA was inadvertently transferred to the knife sheath or deliberately planted by someone with access to his genetic material. For example:
    • Kohberger, a criminology Ph.D. student, might have handled similar Ka-Bar knife sheaths during his studies, research, or casual interactions (e.g., at a store, a friend’s house, or a class demonstration). Someone could have collected an item he touched—like a discarded coffee cup or glove—and transferred his DNA to the sheath.
    • Alternatively, the defense could suggest contamination during the investigation. With “hundreds of members of law enforcement” involved (as noted in prior defense filings), an officer might have unintentionally transferred Kohberger’s DNA from an unrelated item to the crime scene.
    • A more conspiratorial angle could propose that an unknown party—perhaps the real killer—targeted Kohberger due to his proximity (living in Pullman, near Moscow) and academic background, making him a convenient scapegoat. This party could have obtained his DNA from trash (as was done later by police at his parents’ home) and planted it on the sheath.
  • Lack of Victim DNA: The defense could emphasize that no DNA from the victims (Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, or Ethan Chapin) was found in Kohberger’s apartment, car, or personal belongings. In a bloody quadruple stabbing, one would expect the killer to have some trace of the victims’ blood or DNA on their person, clothing, or vehicle—yet none was reported. This absence supports the claim that Kohberger never entered the crime scene.
  • Other DNA at the Scene: The defense could highlight the presence of unidentified male DNA, including blood on a handrail and a glove outside the house, as evidence of another perpetrator. This suggests the real killer left traces, while Kohberger’s DNA on the sheath was an anomaly introduced artificially.
Explaining the Car Movements
  • Routine Late-Night Drives: Kohberger’s attorneys have claimed he was “driving alone” on November 13, 2022, to “look at the moon and stars” or to hike, a habit he often practiced. The defense could argue that his white Hyundai Elantra being spotted near Moscow was coincidental:
    • As a graduate student in Pullman, just 10 miles from Moscow, it’s plausible he frequently drove through the area for leisure or to clear his mind, especially given his interest in criminology and the outdoors (e.g., Wawawai Park, mentioned in court filings).
    • The white sedan captured on video near the Moscow-Pullman highway could belong to someone else. White Hyundai Elantras are common, and the defense could demand proof that the car’s license plate or specific features definitively match Kohberger’s vehicle.
  • No Physical Evidence in the Car: The defense could point out that, despite a thorough search of Kohberger’s Elantra (including seat cushions, pedals, and floor mats), no blood, hair, or other incriminating evidence from the victims was found. If he had committed a messy stabbing, some trace should have remained, even after cleaning—yet the car was clean, supporting the idea that it was never at the crime scene.
Explaining the Phone Movements
  • Cell Phone Expert Testimony: The defense has enlisted a cell phone data expert, Sy Ray, who claims Kohberger’s phone was south of Pullman and west of Moscow, not traveling east toward the crime scene on the Moscow-Pullman highway during the early morning hours of November 13. This could be framed as follows:
    • Kohberger turned off his phone (noted as being off from 2:47 a.m. to 4:48 a.m.) not to evade detection, but because he was in a remote area with poor signal (e.g., Wawawai Park) or simply to disconnect during a stargazing outing. The defense could argue this was a routine practice for him, not a suspicious act tied to the murders.
    • His phone pinging near his apartment at 2:42 a.m. and being seen on WSU surveillance at 2:44 a.m. places him in Pullman before the murders. The later return to Moscow at 9:12 a.m.–9:21 a.m. could be explained as a morning drive to get coffee or visit a friend—not a “jeering return” to the crime scene.
  • Unreliable Cell Data: The defense could challenge the precision of cell tower data, noting that pings cover wide areas and don’t pinpoint exact locations. Without GPS data from his car (which lacked an infotainment system), the prosecution’s timeline relies on inference, not proof.
Tying It Together: The Alibi and Motive
  • Alibi: Kohberger was driving alone, as he often did, in the rural areas around Pullman and Moscow, far from 1122 King Road. The defense could call witnesses (e.g., friends or classmates) to testify to his habit of late-night drives, or use his academic schedule to show he was preparing for a class or research project, needing solitude.
  • No Connection to Victims: The defense could reiterate that Kohberger had no known link to the victims—no social media interactions, no prior contact, no motive—unlike a hypothetical real killer who might have left the unidentified DNA. This lack of connection supports the framing theory: someone chose Kohberger as a fall guy precisely because he was an outsider with no ties to the victims, making his DNA’s presence seem damning.
Reasonable Doubt
The defense could argue to the jury:
  • If Kohberger’s DNA was planted or transferred, and no victim DNA ties him to the crime, the sheath evidence is unreliable.
  • If his car and phone movements align with an innocent routine, not the prosecution’s timeline, he wasn’t at the crime scene.
  • If other male DNA was present, the real killer remains at large, and Kohberger was a convenient target for a rushed investigation.

Critical Examination
This scenario hinges on speculation (e.g., planting DNA) and requires the defense to overcome strong prosecution evidence, like the single-source DNA match on the sheath and Kohberger’s proximity to the crime scene. The phone being off during the murder window and his car matching the description of one seen nearby are hard to dismiss as coincidence. However, the absence of victim DNA in his possession and the presence of other unidentified DNA could sow enough doubt to sway a jury, especially if the defense effectively challenges the investigation’s integrity.
This is well thought out, and certainly are at least some of the ways that the defense will try to attack the evidence. As you stated, there are a lot of issues, and for me, and I would expect, for reasonable jurors, after the state lays out their case, which will be attacked at every opportunity, we would have to accept far too many "yeah, but"s, in order to find the defendant anything other than guilty of the murders. JMO
 
  • #979
No way will this wanna be criminologist plea. He thinks he's smarter than the average bear. He'll go with not guilty and tie up the courts for YEARS to come...
M00

I’ve thought from the beginning that BK isn’t too sad about being caught and jailed.

Doesn’t have to interact with many people, doesn’t need to work amongst lesser mortals, can feel like a smart guy (even though he is missing some necessary component that makes his intellect effective), doesn’t have to navigate the real world like most of us.

And sometimes, there is a very bright spotlight on him. Him!!

I think he likes to be just where he is.

IMO
 
  • #980
I'm baffled as to how there's so little evidence left behind at the scene by the perpetrator

Assuming BK did do this and that he didn't intend or expect to murder so many people, wouldn't he have broken out in a sweat from the adrenaline and exertion and dripped perspiration? Especially if he was covered in a one piece coverall. It's almost beyond belief he hadn't left some form of body fluid or accidentally cut himself with his own knife. That he didn't lose a hair off his face or head or bushy eyebrows. That he didn't stumble or trip or leave more finger marks and footprints or lose some of his protective clothing. That there was no saliva or that he didn't lose his bladder / bowel with the stress etc.

And why was the dog not examined? Unless the dog was crated / caged? I assume the dog must have been crated as it doesn't make any sense if not. JMO MOO
 
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