4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[SteveP]

"Instead of challenging the conclusion that the DNA on the knife sheath belonged to Defendant, the defense’s expert disclosures reveal that the defense plans to argue the DNA on the knife sheath does not prove Defendant was ever at the crime scene and the knife sheath itself could have been planted by the real perpetrator

Prosecutors say Kohberger's defense will argue evidence was planted in Idaho student murders case

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Prosecutors say Bryan Kohberger’s defense team will argue at his murder trial that someone else could have planted a knife sheath with Kohberger’s DNA at the

www.idahostatejournal.com

I understand that the defense has to work with what they have, and when they've got zero, that is about what the odds are that their strategy may sell to a jury. So, the knife sheath, that is basically identical to one fitting a KaBar knife that we know BK owned, does not prove BK was ever at crime scene. Fair enough, but it proves that his DNA, and only his DNA was found on it, so if he was not inside 1122 King Road, committing the murders, then jurors will be asked to believe that someone else in possession of it accidentally left it there, or someone intentionally left it there, hoping to lead investigators to BK for some unknown reason. Regardless which of these possibilities the jurors consider, one has to ask, what about all of the physical and circumstantial evidence that points to him as the murderer? What about the car that matches the description of BK's Hyundai Elantra, down to missing a front license plate, that was seen circling the King Road area multiple times, immediately before the time of the murders? The one seen coming to a stop right at the King Road residence around 4:04 am, and then seen speeding away at 4:20, perfectly aligning with the time of the murders. Did the real murderer have a car that looked just like BK's? What about security cam video and cell phone activity that pointed to BK leaving his home around 2:40am, heading towards Moscow, phone losing connectivity within just a very few minutes, and phone regaining connectivity around 4:48, south of Moscow, before being seen heading back north around 5:25am. Just bad luck that his phone went dead at exactly the time that he could have used it to prove that he was elsewhere? What about BK's admission to being out driving during that time, but just not 'over there'. Can anyone corroborate that story? What about DM's description of a man dressed in black, with what appeared to be a ski mask type head and face covering. While unable to ID him, the description she was able to give seems to match BK, white, a bit taller than her, (she is 5'8-5'10), athletic but not muscular, bushy eyebrows. I understand that her basic description could include many men, but it also could exclude many more, and it did not exclude BK. There allegedly may be a receipt found for the purchase of dark coveralls, though it has not been confirmed and black mask(s) and black nitrile gloves were recovered in searches of his and his parents' homes. What about BK leaving his home again, later that same morning, around 9am, phone data placing him in an area consistent with King Road around 9:12-9:21, before heading back to Pullman area around 9:30. Did he normally take early morning Sunday drives after being out into the wee hours of the morning, stargazing? Did BK ever tell anyone that he had sold or lost the knife and sheath, or that it had been stolen? If he was not responsible for the murders, why would he not have produced it otherwise, or why would it not have been recovered in the search of his house, or his parents' house? Why would an innocent man have such fear of being investigated that he took extreme measures, such as wearing gloves not only out and about, but in his parents' home as well, and even meticulously bagged his personal trash up and walked it over to a neighbor's home to ditch it in their bin.

These are just a few of the things that we know of, and there surely is much more evidence that we are not yet privy to. Even with just these facts, I do not believe that any juror could reasonably come to a conclusion that anyone other than BK was the murderer of Maddie, Kaylee, Xana, and Ethan, and I fully expect them to return guilty verdicts when given the case. I have said it before, and will say it again, if BK is not the murderer, he is the unluckiest man in the world. JMO

 

[Notthisshipsister]

Actually, anyone can use an AED. They have them in schools, at airports, all over the place. I'm sure dorms have them too. It's all automated. The voice tells you what to do.

As for Narcan, anyone getting opiates for legitimate reasons OR anyone with a history of opiate use disorder gets a Narcan. It's actually fairly easy to get. They may have had it. We don't know and I doubt we'll ever find out, honestly, unless drugs played some type of role in any of this. MOO.

Here in NY, Narcan kits have actually offerered by the state to anyone, free of charge, no questions asked

 

[fcavanaugh]

They are just saying BK lost cot trolmof the knofe one way or anotherand the other person did the crime. Not a frame up.
So its going to be a battle of the supporting evidence that makes him the culprit BARD.
The car, no alibi, the phone off window for the crime and the DNA.

IMO, since the latest revelation (see below) that the defense plans to argue the knife sheath could have been planted by the real perpetrator, to me, the defense referencing planted evidence aka the knife sheath with only BK’s DNA on it and no trace of the ‘real killer’ DNA on the sheath implies the defense is going for a frame-up of BK. The ‘real killer’ would have to have gotten BK’s knife sheath from BK somehow/obtained BK’s DNA somehow so would know he was going to frame BK. Unless the defense is going to claim BK might have touched the sheath in a store and someone else/the ‘real killer’ picked it up after him and brought it with them to do the murders. Good luck with that if the Amazon warrant return shows BK purchased the knife/knife sheath online.

At any rate, I don’t believe any of it-frame-up of BK by ‘real killer’, LE, or anyone else. No frame job or any kind of conspiracy involved here.
BK is the perp imo.

*Snipped from link below:
“Instead of challenging the conclusion that the DNA on the knife sheath belonged to Defendant, the defense’s expert disclosures reveal that the defense plans to argue the DNA on the knife sheath does not prove Defendant was ever at the crime scene and the knife sheath itself could have been planted by the real perpetrator”

Prosecutors say Kohberger's defense will argue evidence was planted in Idaho student murders case

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Prosecutors say Bryan Kohberger’s defense team will argue at his murder trial that someone else could have planted a knife sheath with Kohberger’s DNA at the

www.idahostatejournal.com

IMHOO

ETA-link

 

[gremlin444]

Was just listening to the new episode of The King Road Killings podcast. While they were talking about the early calls and texts DM made in the middle of the night, I had a thought.

We were all kind of puzzling over how the texts between DM and BF in the middle of the night seem to start mid conversation, with BF very quickly mentioning that Xana had been wearing all black--as if in reply to DM telling her she saw someone wearing all black outside her door.

The Motion in Limine about the texts and calls states that between 4:19-4:21, DM calls BF, XK, MM, and KG but none of them answer. Then right after that at 4:22 DM starts texting BF that no one is answering and that she confused. That's when BF starts texting about Xana wearing black.

I wonder if during the initial call from DM to BF that went unanswered, DM left a quick voicemail to BF along the lines of "I just saw a someone all in black outside my room and noise upstairs but now it's quiet and no one else in the house is answering."

 

[Boxer]

They are just saying BK lost control of the knife one way or another and the other person did the crime. Not a frame up.
So its going to be a battle of the supporting evidence that makes him the culprit BARD.
The car, no alibi, the phone off window for the crime and the DNA.

And how likely all of these things are when taken together. Not remotely likely. The car is an Elantra no matter what bad picture AT selected to accompany her motion.

 

[wendy44]

IMO, the only reasonable alternative explanation for BK's DNA being on the sheath would be if it came from a local store and he could have walked in and handled it. If there is a record of him purchasing one from Amazon and he can't produce it, he would have to come up with an explanation for what happened to it--and for that he would have to testify. AT could ask some hypotheticals, but I don't think that would convince the jury. He would have to tell them how the sheath left his possession.
JMO

 

[Curious Me]

911 call released ahead of Bryan Kohberger's trial for student murders

In a 911 call after four University of Idaho students were found murdered, a woman tells the dispatcher, 'something happened in our house.'

www.courttv.com

Bryan Kohberger: Audio of 911 Call Released in Idaho Student Murders Case

Newly released 911 calls made on the day four University of Idaho students were brutally stabbed to death reveal the chaos among the callers.

www.courttv.com

911 Call Released in Idaho Student Murders Case | ID v Bryan Kohberger
COURT TV - March 17, 2025

 

[Keiri]

If I were BK, and knew that the best defense that my attorneys could come up with is the suggestion that someone else planted a knife sheath, that matches a knife the state can likely prove that I purchased, and which somehow has my DNA, and only my DNA, on a very key part of the sheath, and it somehow was ;left in a murder victim's bed, in an effort to maybe, frame me or some such crazy notion, and if I knew that the state has other evidence that points to me being in the area of the killings at the time of the killings, well, I would just go ahead and plead guilty, in hopes of saving my life, if not my freedom...

...but he won't. JMO

This is not a straight face argument, and if he’s admitted to his attorneys he did it (big Nono) it’d arguably be a bad faith argument that someone could have planted it. I bet the attorneys are practically begging him not to make them say this at trial because at best it’s embarrassing and at worst it makes him look like he has no remorse or empathy. It’s a waste of time for everyone involved and I can’t even use the “state has to prove its case” argument when the defense is using laughable theories just to put on a defense for their client.

 

[LinasK]

No, he won't. He thinks he's too smart for that.

Early on, I thought there was a chance that he would plead guilty. And in exchange for sparing everyone from a trial and a possible death penalty for himself, he would describe his actions in court, much as Dennis Rader did. And I thought that he would also request to be able to spend the rest of his life in a Pennsylvania prison, so he can at least have family visit. Not that PA would necessarily accept him. Anyway, I don't see that happening at all now.

I just wish the families had some sort of answers. They won't ever get them from this guy though.

Why would Idaho have incentive to let him do his time in PA? I don't see the advantage of them letting him go. The crime was committed in Idaho. He doesn't even get to go back to WA.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Why would Idaho have incentive to let him do his time in PA? I don't see the advantage of them letting him go. The crime was committed in Idaho. He doesn't even get to go back to WA.

Exactly. Like I wrote, at first when he was arrested I thought that he might plead guilty to avoid everyone a trial, especially if he got a perk like going back east. And LE, and families would have some answers. But why would PA agree to the expense, he would most likely be a problematic inmate. Now that we know more about his personality, he would never admit guilt.

 

[Arkay]

The ‘real killer’ would have to have gotten BK’s knife sheath from BK somehow/obtained BK’s DNA somehow so would know he was going to frame BK. Unless the defense is going to claim BK might have touched the sheath in a store and someone else/the ‘real killer’ picked it up after him and brought it with them to do the murders

Right? It’s so preposterous, IMO, all these ludicrous scenarios and the defense trying to make them sound plausible in any way.

It’s wearisome. I think I am getting worn out with this nonsense.

If the sheath were randomly touched in a store by BK, you know, just browsing around, that means the sheath was accessible to anyone shopping and not in protective packaging or kept in a locked counter.

What are the odds that BK is the only one who ever touched a sheath that was on display? If, as suggested by the defense, BK touched the sheath snap in the store, and then after him someone else did the same, then where is the DNA from the other shopper?

Someone was crafty enough to know that it was BK who had randomly touched that snap on display, then preserved BK’s DNA, and wiped off their own DNA without wiping off Bryan’s?
Impossible.

Yes, of course, then there is all the other incriminating evidence, again. The car, the physical description, the phone off, the lack of an alibi. Etcetera.

Plus all the fruitless attempts by the defense to keep the DNA results out of the evidence. Now that they had to acquiesce that the DNA is in fact Bryan’s, we get more loony explanations that are just ridiculously illogical.

IMO

 

[GA_Peach]

IMO - At the time the 911 call was made, what happened at 4am is completely irrelevant to the 911 operator, she needs to know what is going on now, not what happened 8 hours ago, they’re not there to chat, they’re there to relay info to ambulance, paramedics or police. MOO

That's not accurate that what happened at 4 am was irrelvant to the 911 operator. What happened at 4 am is why the victims didn't survive, and it had everything to do with the situation at hand. What if the killer was still hiding in the house and the operator sent them back into the home? We know that the killer was no longer there but only with hindsight. The operator had no idea what the current situation was, and she was preventing the caller(s) from giving her information that gave her insight into what was unfolding.

Side note- I don't recall the 911 operator asking the girls if they were with or near the "passed out" person. She didn't ask if the person had a pulse. Much like SG said in his press release, the 4 students aren't alive because of one person, and it's not because of the 911 operator. It's just so hard for me to listen to the call. If the operator had realized that she was dealing with a potential homicide rather than a "passed out" person, maybe the victims' friend(s) wouldn't have been subjected to a life-altering crime scene.

 

[jepop]

And that's ignoring the fact that BK drove the same type of car they were looking for, just so happened to go for a drive in the dead of night at a time consistent with him being the killer, and that his phone went dark for two hours, covering the entire murder window.

You're talking about astronomical odds so insane that it's just not worth considering.

Yeah, imo it's just too much for any jury with even moderately functioning reasoning powers. Jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just remembering BK’s behavior was strange in Penn when he got home, wearing plastic gloves all the time, So much so that one of his sisters thinking he might be involved with the murders , pointed out to the family that he had proximity and a car that matched the description and his behavior at home was strange and suspicious. BK’s father said that there was no way BK would do something like that. ( unfathomable)

There was such concern that the sister and other family members looked through his car however he had already cleaned it with bleach. And , when the raid happened just prior to dawn , he was up , wearing gloves and sealing his trash in plastic baggies! He also put his trash in neighbors bin in wee hours of morning.

Will defense use ASD and associated paranoia to explain his behavior?

Bryan Kohberger’s sister feared he could be involved in Idaho murders before sudden arrest

Sources told NBC’s Dateline that the accused killer’s family searched his white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the crime

www.yahoo.com

I think we'll find out that BK has a family history of strange and dysfunctional behavior, which only heightened the sister's suspicions if these reports are true. She (the whole family actually) know BK better than anyone.

The details of the murders: the Location - WSU, the suspect Vehicle - White Elantra, the Timing - right before Winter Break, BK's actions after arriving home - Separating and disposing of his own trash, excessively cleaning the car, etc. could have easily made her suspicious IMO.

I can understand BK's father being in denial of this level of behavior. What parent could even begin to imagine their son capable of such a heinous act? He seems to have a close relationship with BK, or as much of one as any of them could have. I feel sorry for his family, they are victims of BK as well.

The D will use ASD as a mitigating factor during sentencing for the DP, although I don't think it had anything to do with the murders. In my mind, BK wanted to commit these acts and planned them in advance after much thought.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

That's not accurate that what happened at 4 am was irrelvant to the 911 operator. What happened at 4 am is why the victims didn't survive, and it had everything to do with the situation at hand. What if the killer was still hiding in the house and the operator sent them back into the home? We know that the killer was no longer there but only with hindsight. The operator had no idea what the current situation was, and she was preventing the caller(s) from giving her information that gave her insight into what was unfolding.

Side note- I don't recall the 911 operator asking the girls if they were with or near the "passed out" person. She didn't ask if the person had a pulse. Much like SG said in his press release, the 4 students aren't alive because of one person, and it's not because of the 911 operator. It's just so hard for me to listen to the call. If the operator had realized that she was dealing with a potential homicide rather than a "passed out" person, maybe the victims' friend(s) wouldn't have been subjected to a life-altering crime scene.

Respectfully, if BK hadn't murdered DM & BF's roommates nobody would have been subjected to a life altering crime scene.

The 911 operator was doing her job as trained, focusing on identifying the emergency situation and getting help to the location ASAP. It is a college town and an address that may have shown previous calls to LE for partying and noise complaints. Her goal was to get medical assistance to the 'unconscious' person first and foremost.

JMO

 

[Curious Me]

Should I plan on this happening then?

"Kohberger’s trial is scheduled to begin Aug. 11 and expected to last more than three months."

and

"...will be livestreamed on the court’s YouTube channel, the Latah County judge in the case ruled."​

911 call released ahead of Bryan Kohberger's trial for student murders

In a 911 call after four University of Idaho students were found murdered, a woman tells the dispatcher, 'something happened in our house.'

www.courttv.com

'It is the intense focus': Idaho murders judge issues key ruling on Bryan Kohberger livestream

The murder trial of Bryan Kohberger, the suspect charged with stabbing and killing four University of Idaho students, will be livestreamed. But there's a catch.

lawandcrime.com

 

[FromGermany1]

911 call released ahead of Bryan Kohberger's trial for student murders

In a 911 call after four University of Idaho students were found murdered, a woman tells the dispatcher, 'something happened in our house.'

www.courttv.com

Bryan Kohberger: Audio of 911 Call Released in Idaho Student Murders Case

Newly released 911 calls made on the day four University of Idaho students were brutally stabbed to death reveal the chaos among the callers.

www.courttv.com

911 Call Released in Idaho Student Murders Case | ID v Bryan Kohberger
COURT TV - March 17, 2025

Chilling 911 Call Released from Morning After Idaho Murders: 'Something Happened in Our House'

Authorities have publicly released the chilling 911 call made by the surviving roommates of four University of Idaho students who were brutally killed in an off-campus home in 2022.

people.com

 

[jepop]

IIRC, it was LE that discovered MM and KG. I can only speak for myself, but after seeing what HJ did when he went inside and got to Xana's room, there is no way that I could go up the steps to the bedrooms on the third floor. He had to have feared, after finding Xana and Ethan, that there was just more of the same up there, considering that he had surely been told that neither Kaylee or Maddie had responded to messages either. He knew he was in a house of horrors, and understandably wanted to get DM and BF, and himself, out of there as quickly as possible. He will likely forever be scarred by what he saw that morning. MO

Thanks @SteveP (and others) for filling me in. I only listened half heartedly to the 911call. Once was enough for me. Those poor kids. I agree with everything here. The crime scene in MM's room was never seen by any of them thank God. Agree with all the comments commending HJ. A remarkable person based on his compassionate actions. I wish he could receive a bravery award or something similar. His folks must be so proud. Moo

 

[Megnut]

The University of Idaho Murders: The Strange Battle over Investigative Genetic Genealogy

Bryan Kohberger stands charged with the murders of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen, and Kaylee Goncalves in Moscow, Idaho. In his case, the...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[jepop]

This does seem to make more sense than my hypothesis.

I think your idea is sound and it's possible. It's certainly hard to make an educated guess for sure! But thinking about this item a little more, I just have a feeling that even if the IDs ( if that's what they are) did belong to random, unknown others/women (?), they would not necessarily be admissible at this trial ( I guess we don't see anything in the MILs about inclusion). So probably we aren't going to hear about them either way at this point. Jmo.

My initial thought was it's not that weird to not chuck out old library cards, expired licences and so forth, throw them in a holder in a box, kind of thing. In the house where BK grew up. Moo