4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Missyrocks5]

Agree with the post here. AT is coming up with anything she could throw at the wall for this one. She doesn't have much to work with. Of course, you have these conspiracy theorists out there who would marry him if they had the opportunity, but we would hope that any rational person would see it is straw grasping.

If they go with someone is framing him, that person would have to know that this guy had a troubled background, had students complain about him, had just been fired. Then let's not even get started at the fact that they would've had to have known that he would have no alibi, or that his, um, alibi was that he was going stargazing at 4 AM on a cold night that did not have clear skies, that his phone just happened to be off during the surrounding time of the murders, that his phone previously had been pinged at least 12 times that we know of in the vicinity of their home, That his car would match the car seen on videos at that time of the murders. It is absolutely laughable.

And then, we don't know 80% of the evidence out there. The digital footprints on this guy are going to be tremendous. He probably was following all of them on social media, we are probably going to find out from the local stores and or restaurants that he saw them, maybe even interacted at least one of the girls. Then if they have receipts for the same type of knife, the black clothing and mask, etc. I suspect he wore a different size shoe on the night of the murder to throw things off. So mich we will find out.

 

[Boxer]

MOO AT is going to go with he lost track of the knife so prove he was there.
She will blather about touch DNA not being real in the mix, but the real argument will be someone else got a hold of the knife and did the crime.
That someone else had an Elantra, elite military aspirations, and athleticism.
While unlucky BK amazingly had the same kind of car and distinctively missing the front licemse plate, an obsession with murderers and headed toward Moscow turning off his phone during the crime.

 

[Warwick7]

It’s in that article.

Yes, but I had never heard this before. If your own siblings fear you did this, check your car and etc. that is...really bad.

 

[Megnut]

MOO AT is going to go with he lost track of the knife so prove he was there.
She will blather about touch DNA not being real in the mix, but the real argument will be someone else got a hold of the knife and did the crime.
That someone else had an Elantra, elite military aspirations, and athleticism.
While unlucky BK amazingly had the same kind of car and distinctively missing the front licemse plate, an obsession with murderers and headed toward Moscow turning off his phone during the crime.

And if BK and his Elantra had nothing to do with what happened at 1122 King Road, why didn't he come forward so LE could check his Elantra off the list?

Funny that, most of us remember LE putting an Elantra in notice. Iirc LE said they wanted to talk to the occupant(s) because they might have critical information....

Many of us wondered if that was code for 'suspect vehicle'. One person knew beyond all doubt -- BK, assuming he was checking the news regularly -- LE had his car on CCTV.

Was probably relieved that they had the years wrong but still wildly uncomfortable.

Bet he didn't drive around in Moscow at all after that BOLO came out.

JMO

 

[jepop]

MOO AT is going to go with he lost track of the knife so prove he was there.
She will blather about touch DNA not being real in the mix, but the real argument will be someone else got a hold of the knife and did the crime.
That someone else had an Elantra, elite military aspirations, and athleticism.
While unlucky BK amazingly had the same kind of car and distinctively missing the front licemse plate, an obsession with murderers and headed toward Moscow turning off his phone during the crime.

If the purchase is proven? But how does AT make this argument unless BK testifies. I think you are saying she does it subliminally?

That the defense have conceded the legitimacy of the DNA on the sheathe, could mean a highly suspicious kbar purchase has been established (Nightline got it right). If so, could this mean BK will get up there?. Or she might use experts re secondary transfer and leave the question of whether he owned the actual knife and sheathe alone. I would love to know if a receipted kbar purchase is coming into evidence (in addition to click activity). Not dissing Night Line at all, just inherently cautious until I see it confirmed by the prosecution. Jmo

 

[DizzyB]

If the purchase is proven? But how does AT make this argument unless BK testifies. I think you are saying she does it subliminally?

That the defense have conceded the legitimacy of the DNA on the sheathe, could mean a highly suspicious kbar purchase has been established (Nightline got it right). If so, could this mean BK will get up there?. Or she might use experts re secondary transfer and leave the question of whether he owned the actual knife and sheathe alone. I would love to know if a receipted kbar purchase is coming into evidence (in addition to click activity). Not dissing Night Line at all, just inherently cautious until I see it confirmed by the prosecution. Jmo

Lots of references to Kabars in the docs released-I also wonder if they have tied him to the purchase. I’m of the opinion that they have not-defense was fighting hard on search histories and what shows up in one’s social media suggested items. The algorithm is uncanny and I’ve had stuff show up just because I know Alexa or Siri is listening to my conversations. Defense is trying to get anything thrown out that they can, since they don’t have much to work with.

 

[Boxer]

And if BK and his Elantra had nothing to do with what happened at 1122 King Road, why didn't he come forward so LE could check his Elantra off the list?

Funny that, most of us remember LE putting an Elantra in notice. Iirc LE said they wanted to talk to the occupant(s) because they might have critical information....

Many of us wondered if that was code for 'suspect vehicle'. One person knew beyond all doubt -- BK, assuming he was checking the news regularly -- LE had his car on CCTV.

Was probably relieved that they had the years wrong but still wildly uncomfortable.

Bet he didn't drive around in Moscow at all after that BOLO came out.

JMO

True.
Noteworthy:

Criminologist Ph.D. Student does not follow the news about a quadruple murder 8 miles away.

Add it to the pile of factors comprising BARD.

 

[arielilane]

Just remembering BK’s behavior was strange in Penn when he got home, wearing plastic gloves all the time, So much so that one of his sisters thinking he might be involved with the murders , pointed out to the family that he had proximity and a car that matched the description and his behavior at home was strange and suspicious. BK’s father said that there was no way BK would do something like that. ( unfathomable)

There was such concern that the sister and other family members looked through his car however he had already cleaned it with bleach. And , when the raid happened just prior to dawn , he was up , wearing gloves and sealing his trash in plastic baggies! He also put his trash in neighbors bin in wee hours of morning.

Will defense use ASD and associated paranoia to explain his behavior?

Bryan Kohberger’s sister feared he could be involved in Idaho murders before sudden arrest

Sources told NBC’s Dateline that the accused killer’s family searched his white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the crime

www.yahoo.com

Yes, I remember this, and suspicions about her brother BK were "before police swooped on their parents’ home and arrested him for murder."

This is a big tell, BK had other issues with his family and perhaps w/others that we havent read about. There were several signs of something being off with Mr. Kohberger, several events, perhaps?

jmo

From article:
Several family members searched his car!!!

 

[MassGuy]

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/031825-Order-Denying-Witness-Testimony-at-April-9-2025-Hearing.pdf

 

[Megnut]

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Syryanara.

Bye, bye.

 

[MassGuy]

https://s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Current-Case-Summary.pdf

 

[Megnut]

With all due respect, what's left for Sy ro testify to? BK's whereabouts in the time before he showed up at 1122 King Road? Does it matter where he was at 3:10 am? If LE knows where he was at 4:10 am?

AT can't be pleased with this ruling. Sy is a talker and she no doubt hoped he'd hold court with lots and lots of words. And fancy exhibits.

Judge dunn't need that.

JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

911 usually is several police, sheriff, fire, EMT entities being served together by one 911 call center.

Correct. But that wasn't the poster's question. They asked if this was the operator's only call. I said i doubt it. MOO

 

[gremlin444]

Anyone else look at the new huge filing dump list in the case summary and have feelings of both excitement (oo, new things to read and learn from) and dread (oh, no, there are five billion of them)?

 

[MassGuy]

Anyone else look at the new huge filing dump list in the case summary and have feelings of both excitement (oo, new things to read and learn from) and dread (oh, no, there are five billion of them)?

Hahahah. Just give it to us!

 

[Boxer]

If I were BK, and knew that the best defense that my attorneys could come up with is the suggestion that someone else planted a knife sheath, that matches a knife the state can likely prove that I purchased, and which somehow has my DNA, and only my DNA, on a very key part of the sheath, and it somehow was ;left in a murder victim's bed, in an effort to maybe, frame me or some such crazy notion, and if I knew that the state has other evidence that points to me being in the area of the killings at the time of the killings, well, I would just go ahead and plead guilty, in hopes of saving my life, if not my freedom...

...but he won't. JMO

Since he is very likely
to be found guilty there is nothing in it for him not to try to get off.
And like Chandler Halderson trial where NO defense was even atrempted, getting to see the crime pictures, grieving families and witnesses is the point.

 

[al66pine]

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@MassGuy : ) Thx for the latest filings Mar 14-18.

Am I correct in assuming Judge's order refers to Sy Ray, not Sy Ryan?
Or is that a bad ASSumption on my part?

Anyone? TiA.

 

[MassGuy]

@MassGuy : ) Thx for the latest filings Mar 14-18.

Am I correct is assuming Judge's order refers to Sy Ray, not Sy Ryan?
Or is that a bad ASSumption on my part?

Anyone? TiA.

Yup, definitely a typo. I did look in the the off chance that it wasn't a mistake, and unless they were planning to call a female "D list" actress, that's all it was.

 

[Megnut]

@MassGuy : ) Thx for the latest filings Mar 14-18.

Am I correct in assuming Judge's order refers to Sy Ray, not Sy Ryan?
Or is that a bad ASSumption on my part?

Anyone? TiA.

Dang. I saw that, chose not to trust my instinct and ran with the typo. Doh.

Either way, methinks the judge has heard enough from Sy.

AT is running out of defenses.

JMO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I think we'll find out that BK has a family history of strange and dysfunctional behavior, which only heightened the sister's suspicions if these reports are true. She (the whole family actually) know BK better than anyone.

The details of the murders: the Location - WSU, the suspect Vehicle - White Elantra, the Timing - right before Winter Break, BK's actions after arriving home - Separating and disposing of his own trash, excessively cleaning the car, etc. could have easily made her suspicious IMO.

I can understand BK's father being in denial of this level of behavior. What parent could even begin to imagine their son capable of such a heinous act? He seems to have a close relationship with BK, or as much of one as any of them could have. I feel sorry for his family, they are victims of BK as well.

The D will use ASD as a mitigating factor during sentencing for the DP, although I don't think it had anything to do with the murders. In my mind, BK wanted to commit these acts and planned them in advance after much thought.

JMO

Are there any verified-in-mental-health folks here on WS who could explain how being autistic/ on the spectrum connects to planning and executing a slaughter such as we are discussing, much less a single murder?

I am acquainted with a number of young adults “on the spectrum,” a few so extreme they over came being non-verbal children, and none of them seem hostile or angry enough (IMHO) to commit murder. They are all delightful in unique ways and have learned appropriate social skills — that is they are capable of healthy relationships.

Is it the sort of “getting stuck” on a topic and perseverating? I’m seriously trying to understand how an autism diagnosis might prevent a murderer from being held fully accountable.