4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[browneyes]

Could you elaborate on suspect video, please? Not sure what that means.

@BrianEntin


Text messages between Idaho surviving roommates released as part of latest Bryan Kohberger document dump.

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7:46 PM · Mar 6, 2025

Those poor girls. To be so terrified, and then discover what really happened. I feel so bad for them.

 

[fcavanaugh]

Johnson, ID....I've often wondered about that trip. Johnson, ID appears to be very rural (from Google Maps). Wonder what he was doing out there? Seems risky to wait that long to dispose of his clothes, etc. but it did cross my mind.

I hear you and agree it would’ve been risky but then again I’ve seen, and imo history tells us, far too many murderers do absolutely absurd, dumb things, even otherwise “intelligent” criminals/murderers mess up. And I’m glad that they mess up and make mistakes because that’s why they usually get caught.

This dude Kohberger is a PhD criminology student who (allegedly) drove his own car to commit murder, brought his phone along with him and turned it off during the murders’ window! so I put nothing past him/can see him going back to some potentially pre-dug hole in the middle of nowhere to bury incriminating or more incriminating evidence under the cover of darkness later on the night of the murders, bringing his phone along with him once again and shutting it off during an almost 3 hour period (5:36pm-8:30pm), giving enough time to hide evidence and/or check to ensure he got rid of all incriminating evidence.

Further, since this 3 hour phone blackout period the night of the murders was included in the affidavit, tells me it’s important.
At the very least imo LE must have suspected he was possibly up to something nefarious during that time (possibly burying/getting rid of incriminating evidence or went back there to see if the dropped/forgotten knife sheath was amongst the other items he could have, and imo had enough time to, quickly dump in a hole after speeding away from the scene at 4:20am and his phone coming back on line at 4:48am).

So yeah, risky as it seems, I can definitely see him going to, or going back to, an evidence dump site later that evening to bury all evidence and/or to double check that he’d dumped/buried all incriminating evidence after speeding away from the scene. Imagine his panic when he discovered the sheath was lost/dropped/forgotten. Ha!

Stupid is as stupid does, especially when it comes to quadruple homicide. Impossible to commit the perfect murder/s and cover all of one’s tracks.

IMHOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think he did not want to get caught and hates jail. He is not playing to the cameras in court, he is very stoic. I only have seen one photo of him smiling and one photo of him looking at the camera. He avoids the victims. I think he is not comfortable and even if he left the sheath as a calling card his DNA on the snap was a mistake.

He botched it up. Somehow didn't realize a person was awake getting food, somehow missed the DD delivery, or decided to take an arrogant reckless chance to go to 3rd floor and kill quickly but found 2 in the bed and found a boyfriend there, confronted people, etc.

For some reason he was determined to do it that night rather than wait. He had all his plastic down and all his dark clothes and hole dug to dispose knife etc... And so just barged in to do what he planned on that specific night.

2 Cents

I think if he's guilty as charged, it's possible the date and timing was significant to him and this is why he failed to account for unexpected variables. If he is genuinely on the ASD spectrum then likely he became hyper-focused and obsessed, maybe even ritualistic.

It's a huge oversight to fail to notice the former housemate and her dog were in the house and he was probably unaware of the door dash too.

I wonder how many times, if any, he had made an attempt to go and do the planned event and lost courage or got spooked? Was he was pushing himself to enact the deed? Maybe using observations from previous stalking episodes as if the household would be always doing the same thing at the same times, ie always in bed fast asleep in their own rooms by 0300.

I think the level of oversights in his calculations show that he definitely acted alone. Another person would have introduced 'what about x, y, z?' flaws in the plan.

JMO MOO

 

[technicallymissing]

Small portion of the 911 audio posted by Gray Hughes, begins about 1 minute in
It’s just a few seconds but DM sounds completely terrified and tearful- just as a warning

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I don't believe he would have buried the things. That would leave them intact with all this DNA and skin cells, hair, all sorts of stuff.

I think he burned everything or used some sort of acid and then tipped the remnants (ash / sludge) into a body of water ... the knife he probably had a very particular place planned to drop into exceptionally deep body water and someone here on WS said there was some lake that could possibly be the sort of thing... he could have already positioned a row boat

He was probably quite meticulous and we know he's an academic and also on the ASD spectrum so he likely counted in and counted out all his 'kit' in a methodical way. He would have certainly realised the sheath was missing at the point of doing his disposal routine.

Of all people, he would know that revisiting a crime scene or holding onto 'trophies' is way too problematic. He probably drove back to the crime scene in the vain hope of spotting the sheath dropped on the floor between the house and where his car had been, thinking he could retrieve it but he would know it's not possible to go inside the house because of the dog.

If he did see DM he must have wondered why she hadn't alerted anyone and there were no police and / or news reports. He probably thought it was a mistake and there were no other people in the house and therefore nobody would report the members of the household missing for another while to come. JMO MOO

 

[al66pine]

Transcript & Audio in 911 Call.

Small portion of the 911 audio posted by Gray Hughes, begins about 1 minute in
It’s just a few seconds but DM sounds completely terrified and tearful- just as a warning

@technicallymissing
Thx for pointing out this clip & vid.

Holy cow.
Can you imagine being the 911 operator, trying to understand these panicked callers passing the phone around, w the background noise too?

 

[Megnut]

Small portion of the 911 audio posted by Gray Hughes, begins about 1 minute in
It’s just a few seconds but DM sounds completely terrified and tearful- just as a warning

The first few seconds... oh, my soul. She sounds so scared.

 

[al66pine]

ID Rule of Evidence 404(b)

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

• NewOrder Granting Leave to Exceed Page Limit
• NewMotion for Permission to Exceed Page Limit
• NewStates Response to Defendants Motion in Limine 11 re Exclude IGG Evidence
• NewStates Response Defendants Motion in Limine Re Improper Expert Opinion Testimony
• NewStates Response to Defendants Motion in Limine 8 re Unnoticed 404b Evidence
• NewStates Response to Defendants Motion for Leave to File Additional Expert Witness Disclosures

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

JUDGE
Hippler, Steven


COUNTY
Boise, Ada, Elmore, Valley

COURT
District

DISTRICT
4

YOUTUBE CHANNEL
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@arielilane Thx for the update.

Has there been recent discussion here about what the state's Rule 404(b) evidence might be? State says it's gonna comply.

The story of BK stealing sister's phone comes to mind as one possibility.
What else? Anyone?

___________________________________________
"(b) Crimes, Wrongs, or Other Acts.
"(1) Prohibited Uses. Evidence of a crime, wrong, or other act is not admissible to prove a person’s character in order to show that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character.
"(2) Permitted Uses; Notice in a Criminal Case. This evidence may be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident. In a criminal case, the prosecutor must:
"(A) file and serve reasonable notice of the general nature of any such evidence that the prosecutor intends to offer at trial; and
"(B) do so reasonably in advance of trial – or during trial if the court, for good cause shown, excuses lack of pretrial notice."

I.R.E. 404. Character Evidence not Admissible to Prove Conduct; Exceptions; Other Crimes. | Supreme Court

isc.idaho.gov

 

[detectivewannab]

Did we ever find out who's drivers license was in his car along with the glove?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Did we ever find out who's drivers license was in his car along with the glove?

IIRC there was quite some misunderstanding here about what items were removed and where they were located and there was no glove in the car. There was a list of items, written quite hastily it appeared, removed from the 'glove' ie the glove compartment, ie the little storage hatch in front of the seat area of a passenger car, not an actual glove.

JMO MOO

 

[Boxer]

LE divers find
murder items all the time thrown in bodies of water. Seen this in many cases. I believe one reason he drove all over county roads instead of driving the Hwy straight back to Pullman is because he had a hole dug out in the boonies somewhere where he deeply buried all his clothes, plastic and knife and changed into different clothes and shoes.

As in other cases I have followed I believe he wore a type of shoe he normally does not wear and a size he normally does not where.

As for the shovel, he buried it or washed it. I think a shovel was found in his car but odds are it was a different shovel or washed in the river. I believe he also stopped by a river. This is an excellent place for him to rinse himself off and his shovel if he did not bury his shovel.

His murder belongings would float and wash up somewhere so I believed they are buried out off some country road somewhere.

If he takes a plea he will be pressured to tell Bill Thompson where he buried the knife. This is common practice. Some murderers weight down their murder items under water with quick drying cement. If BK purchased plastic tarps and plastic rolls and cement it is game over.

2 Cents

I think he had a hole dug.
There are bracketing missing minutes: one gap on his way to Moscow and another between leaving Moscow and pinging by Blaine.
MOO a side trip both times.

 

[Boxer]

Those poor girls. To be so terrified, and then discover what really happened. I feel so bad for them.

I want them to realize and their detractors too, that it was thousands of times more likely to have been a college prank or some drunken associate of someone in the house acting out and being wierd , than what it turned out be.

 

[Gigiky]

ID Rule of Evidence 404(b)

@arielilane Thx for the update.

Has there been recent discussion here about what the state's Rule 404(b) evidence might be? State says it's gonna comply.

The story of BK stealing sister's phone comes to mind as one possibility.
What else? Anyone?

I'm going with Evidence of preconceived plan. (Amazon Acct purchase/s) JMO.

 

[al66pine]

Surviving Housemates' Reactions during 911 Call.

I want them to realize and their detractors too, that it was thousand of times more likely to be a college prank or some drunken associate of someone in the house scting out and being wierd , than what it turned out be.

@Boxer Yes, yes, yes. A 100,000 times more likely to have been a prank
Maybe a million times.
Esp'ly as Mr. Goncalves said his dau was a prankster. [eta: IIRC, sorry no link]

 

[Boxer]

I'm going with Evidence of preconceived plan. (Amazon Acct purchase/s) JMO.

Being a heroin user?

 

[schooling]

The first few seconds... oh, my soul. She sounds so scared.

You can feel the anguish in her voice.

 

[acutename]

ID Rule of Evidence 404(b)

@arielilane Thx for the update.

Has there been recent discussion here about what the state's Rule 404(b) evidence might be? State says it's gonna comply.

The story of BK stealing sister's phone comes to mind as one possibility.
What else? Anyone?

___________________________________________
"(b) Crimes, Wrongs, or Other Acts.
"(1) Prohibited Uses. Evidence of a crime, wrong, or other act is not admissible to prove a person’s character in order to show that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character.
"(2) Permitted Uses; Notice in a Criminal Case. This evidence may be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident. In a criminal case, the prosecutor must:
"(A) file and serve reasonable notice of the general nature of any such evidence that the prosecutor intends to offer at trial; and
"(B) do so reasonably in advance of trial – or during trial if the court, for good cause shown, excuses lack of pretrial notice."

I.R.E. 404. Character Evidence not Admissible to Prove Conduct; Exceptions; Other Crimes. | Supreme Court

isc.idaho.gov

his other anti-social acts are damning but not sure ow they could introduce them

 

[Kemug]

I womder how he feels now to have failed so elementary-schoolily. PhDumb.

JMO

I really doubt that he is now a really humble man!

 

[Kemug]

For some reason he was determined to do it that night rather than wait. He had all his plastic down and all his dark clothes and hole dug to dispose knife etc... And so just barged in to do what he planned on that specific night.

RSBM
That would have to have been a pretty big hole, to hold all the plastic and dark clothes. Plus room for a fair bit of dirt on top. It must have taken quite some time to dig. I wonder if an appropriate length of time can be found in his phone/driving records?

 

[vls12345]

The first few seconds... oh, my soul. She sounds so scared.

My heart is breaking listening to her. You can feel her terror.