4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Cool Cats]

I don't think it's especially uncommon in off campus housing, I bet they have Narcan also. It may have been provided to the home by the owner or rental company.

JMO

Defibrillators are very expensive and you have to be trained how to use one so it is not normal for frat houses to have them unless a specific student needed one for a specific heart condition and bought it themselves to have in the house. Planes and companys and police and EMT's and hospitals can have them on the premises but someone needs to know how to work them.​

And Narcan is a controlled substance and must be prescribed to a specific individual. EMT's and police and hospitals have them but landlords cannot hand them out. An individual can carry one with a prescription.

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[SteveP]

Defibrillators are very expensive and you have to be trained how to use one so it is not normal for frat houses to have them unless a specific student needed one for a specific heart condition and bought it themselves to have in the house. Planes and companys and police and EMT's and hospitals can have them on the premises but someone needs to know how to work them.​

And Narcan is a controlled substance and must be prescribed to a specific individual. EMT's and police and hospitals have them but landlords cannot hand them out. An individual can carry one with a prescription.

While I agree that a defibrillator is unlikely to be found in a rental home, since it was mentioned , Narcan is now available, over the counter, without prescription, at all Walgreens and CVS drug stores in the USA.

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[al66pine]

911 Call?

But that's hindsight, right? The dispatcher had no idea she was about to hear about a man being in the house at 4 am. For all she knew, DM was going to tell her exactly why Xana was unconscious, like a mechanism of injury or a drug reaction. For all she knew, Xana passed out at 4 am from a severe headache or from a head injury, then woke up and insisted she was fine and is now passed out again. The dispatcher had no way of knowing and had no patience to find out, despite the fact that EMS was already on the way.

MOO.

@BeginnerSleuther
Raising another factor which may be relevant to 911 calls generally ---
call volume when operators are handling calls.

Was this the only call the operator was dealing w at the time? (Rhetorical question)

Re handling of this call, personally not complimenting or criticizing.

 

[Cool Cats]

While I agree that a defibrillator is unlikely to be found in a rental home, since you mentioned it, Narcan is now available, over the counter, without prescription, at all Walgreens and CVS drug stores in the USA.

Where to Buy NARCAN® (naloxone HCl) Nasal Spray

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My doctor prescribes it so I guess it is like prilosec, an antacid, and Motrin 800mg, etc... So some drugs are both prescribed but also can be bought OTC.

 

[DizzyB]

While I agree that a defibrillator is unlikely to be found in a rental home, since you mentioned it, Narcan is now available, over the counter, without prescription, at all Walgreens and CVS drug stores in the USA.

Where to Buy NARCAN® (naloxone HCl) Nasal Spray

Find out where to buy NARCAN® naloxone nasal spray as an over-the-counter opioid overdose treatment online or in a store near you.

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Hence my post about the operator interrupting the “at 4 am”-if DM had a said she was passed out from taking heroin, the next question from the operator might be about if there was Narcan in the house. I am being nitpicky, the operator was trying to get control of the situation and get help. She wasn’t terrible.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Good read about cell phone expert Sy Ray here. I think he'll be important for the defense during trial.

Colorado judge finds "sea of unreliability" in company's cellphone mapping data police and prosecutors use to convict criminal defendants

I actually had to laugh at some of this article.

"his sole academic degree is an associates, and there's no evidence that it's related to engineering. Nor is there evidence that Ray's taken any engineering classes," the judge continued. "

As if taking classes makes you an engineer . The judge wanted an "Engineer" title, he had zero concept of what constitutes an engineer. Totally MOO, YMMV. Know lots of engineers without degrees.

Now, if the data is accurate or not I could not say. As a note, depending on your GPS system, if you have your phone plugged into the navigation head the GPS and maps can fight over gps coordinates. GPS coords are not 100% accurate either. In my experience.

Fascinating article. Makes me want to go read more.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Defibrillators are very expensive and you have to be trained how to use one so it is not normal for frat houses to have them unless a specific student needed one for a specific heart condition and bought it themselves to have in the house. Planes and companys and police and EMT's and hospitals can have them on the premises but someone needs to know how to work them.​

And Narcan is a controlled substance and must be prescribed to a specific individual. EMT's and police and hospitals have them but landlords cannot hand them out. An individual can carry one with a prescription.

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Thanks CC, maybe one of the student residents were required to be trained on a portable defib? IDK, I was curious why the 911 Operator was so adamantly asking them.

Thank goodness Narcan can be purchased over the counter now, and some clinics that give out clean needles to intravenous drug users give them out for free. With the fentanyl/opioid epidemic I think it's a good thing.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

I actually had to laugh at some of this article.

"his sole academic degree is an associates, and there's no evidence that it's related to engineering. Nor is there evidence that Ray's taken any engineering classes," the judge continued. "

As if taking classes makes you an engineer . The judge wanted an "Engineer" title, he had zero concept of what constitutes an engineer. Totally MOO, YMMV. Know lots of engineers without degrees.

Now, if the data is accurate or not I could not say. As a note, depending on your GPS system, if you have your phone plugged into the navigation head the GPS and maps can fight over gps coordinates. GPS coords are not 100% accurate either. In my experience.

Fascinating article. Makes me want to go read more.

Thank you and I agree. Taking classes or getting an engineering degree DOES NOT make a person an engineer. This judge was badly mistaken in thinking it does.

 

[Balthazar]

Thanks CC, maybe one of the student residents were required to be trained on a portable defib? IDK, I was curious why the 911 Operator was so adamantly asking them.

Thank goodness Narcan can be purchased over the counter now, and some clinics that give out clean needles to intravenous drug users give them out for free. With the fentanyl/opioid epidemic I think it's a good thing.

JMO

The 911 operator was speaking to LE at the same time as she was on the phone with 1122 King Rd. The 911 operator was speaking to LE to make sure they had a defibrillator with them, not the college students. DM was confused and thought the 911 operator was speaking to her. JMO.

 

[NCWatcher]

Thanks CC, maybe one of the student residents were required to be trained on a portable defib? IDK, I was curious why the 911 Operator was so adamantly asking them.

Thank goodness Narcan can be purchased over the counter now, and some clinics that give out clean needles to intravenous drug users give them out for free. With the fentanyl/opioid epidemic I think it's a good thing.

JMO

I'm not sure how an off-campus private residence rented to students could be forced to have a defibrillator. But since 2015 Idaho law has required high school students to be trained to use one along with performing CPR.

AED State Laws: Idaho

Read the AED state laws for Idaho

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[Ghostwheel]

Does anyone else feel like all this nonsense by the defense is just so when they ask for LWOP, guilty, no appeals instead of the death penalty, the families will be more likely to say yes, just to keep everyone from having re-live the horror?

 

[Boxer]

I think he had a hole dug.
There are bracketing missing minutes: one gap on his way to Moscow and another between leaving Moscow and pinging by Blaine.
MOO a side trip both times.

Quoting myself because I had a thought.
If that hole was closer to Pullman on a paralell to the Pullman Moscow highway, then IMO that is the trace cell data Sy is looking for.

I hope they walked dogs along all the possible routes those side trips could have been.

 

[Diddian]

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I suspect his greatest value was supposed to be at the hearings level.

If she calls him at all, the State will eat him for dinner.

She needed him to mouth to the juriverse how cell tower data was good for the Defense, exculpatory, to cover for her generic alibi in the hopes of burying the judge in motions while praying to the gods of evidence suppression.

Secretly I hope he does testify. I want to hear about all the magic places devoid of cell coverage where BK's Elantra could have been (if it weren't already in Moscow, looping around the neighborhood of 1122 King Road).

I can't wait to learn if the State has prior CCTV, synced with BK's phone, of the same Elantra doing the same loop de loop he employed the morning four college students were slaughtered.

The CAST report is going to be every bit as damning as his DNA.

Sy might want to flip over to the Prosecution's side, now while he still can.

JMO

BBM. "Juriverse."

What a perfect word for this defense attorney's intended audience.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Does anyone else feel like all this nonsense by the defense is just so when they ask for LWOP, guilty, no appeals instead of the death penalty, the families will be more likely to say yes, just to keep everyone from having re-live the horror?

I hadn't thought of that...hmmm. I believe the State has some airtight evidence against BK, but nothing is off the table I suppose.

All I know is Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan and their families deserve justice and the budding SK wannabe, BK, needs to be locked up forever. LWOP or the DP would do that.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

The 911 operator was speaking to LE at the same time as she was on the phone with 1122 King Rd. The 911 operator was speaking to LE to make sure they had a defibrillator with them, not the college students. DM was confused and thought the 911 operator was speaking to her. JMO.

While the dispatcher may have been communicating with the officer at times as well, it seems that she was talking to DM, re: a defibrillator, and not to the police officer. Poor DM was surely confused about very many things at that moment, but she was responding appropriately to the dispatcher's questions and instructions to her. JMO

This is taken verbatim from the 911 call.

Dispatcher, to DM, "Okay, I've already sent the ambulance and law enforcement. Stay on the line.

DM: Okay.

Dispatcher: If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now, and tell me when you have it."

DM replied, "say that again. There's police here right now".

Dispatcher repeats, to DM, "if there's a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now, and tell me when you have it".

(Dispatcher would have known the LE had a defibrillator, imo, and certainly would not have instructed a police officer, not once, but twice, to get a defibrillator, and let her know when it was done)

DM answers, "we don't have one" and then DM asks the officer there, "do you have a defibrillator', and he replied "yep".

She then tells the dispatcher "yes, we have one".

Dispatcher asks "but are you talking to the officer?"

DM replies "yes",

Dispatcher says "okay, I'm gonna let you go, since he is there with you, and can help you".

DM finally responds, "okay, thank you. bye."

 

[girlhasnoname]

The dispatcher was talking to DM, re: a defibrillator, and not to the police officer. DM was very likely confused about very many things at that moment, but she was trying to respond appropriately to the dispatcher's questions and instructions to her. This is taken verbatim from the 911 call.

Dispatcher, to DM, "Okay, I've already sent the ambulance and law enforcement. Stay on the line. If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now, and tell me when you have it."

DM replied, "say that again. There's police here right now".

Dispatcher repeats, to DM, "if there's a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now, and tell me when you have it".

DM answers, "we don't have one" and then DM asks the officer there, "do you have a defibrillator', and he replied "yep".

She then tells the dispatcher "yes, we have one".

Dispatcher asks "but are you talking to the officer?"

DM replies "yes",

Dispatcher says "okay, I'm gonna let you go, since he is there with you, and can help you".

DM finally responds, "okay, thank you. bye."

Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't listen to the 911 call and seldom do. It's to painful for me to 'hear' in my head, but I appreciate you and all of those that have provided details.

 

[Seattle1]

Good read about cell phone expert Sy Ray here. I think he'll be important for the defense during trial.

Colorado judge finds "sea of unreliability" in company's cellphone mapping data police and prosecutors use to convict criminal defendants

In other words, the raw data was correct, and "Triangulation" is alive and well as are my favorite FBI experts who make sense of this technical data for us but here we had a software company that tried to shortcut the process with an impressive courtroom presentation-- for an equally impressive fee! Got it... JMO

 

[SteveP]

Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't listen to the 911 call and seldom do. It's to painful for me to 'hear' in my head, but I appreciate you and all of those that have provided details.

I chose to listen to try to get a fuller understanding of what was going on, but I certainly respect anyone's choice not to. It was very hard to listen to. By the way, if you want to turn the volume completely down, every word spoken is clearly displayed on that youtube link. JMO

 

[Sachi]

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt6-5-3-4/ALDE_00013459/

It is the constitutional right of the accused to face his or her accuser. This link actually mentions, specifically, that no physical shield is allowed as it prevents the face-to-face right.

It’s called the “Confrontation Clause,” according to this link.

I have seen, as we all have, that in the case of victims or witnesses who are minor children, some adjustment is made. This is referenced here as well.

I don’t love it, but it is the law.

"Confrontation Clause"! Thank you.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

He said people are creating a harmful narrative and unfairly blaming the surviving roommates for how they handled the situation

"Just don't attack these girls in our family's name. Don't attack them, ever. That's just so low class," Goncalves said.

"There's only one person to blame": Family of U of I murder victim responds to recently released 911 call

The families of the University of Idaho murder victims are reacting to the recently released 9-1-1 call from just hours after the murders took place.

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