4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Megnut]

Could be. Except she was found inside her room per Brett Payne's statement/Exhibit A. I suppose she could have run there but with both her and E found in the room, I doubt it.

Which leads to a question... since they were found in her room, and likely were there when BK struck... why did he kill them? Planned? Hence him opening her door which would have likely been closed if she was going to go to bed after eating. Or, was it like you said? She was in the living room (so she had to have run there since she was found inside her bedroom).

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Confluence.

XK was awake and active.
DM heard sounds from the third floor, shouted up for them to quiet down.
Surely BK heard that, hurried downstairs to silence that witness. Encountered XK instead. Perhaps went looking for the owner of the voice or perhaps he encountered XK in shared space. Encountered EC perhaps by accident.

JMO

 

[danablue1]

Could be. Except she was found inside her room per Brett Payne's statement/Exhibit A. I suppose she could have run there but with both her and E found in the room, I doubt it.

Which leads to a question... since they were found in her room, and likely were there when BK struck... why did he kill them? Planned? Hence him opening her door which would have likely been closed if she was going to go to bed after eating. Or, was it like you said? She was in the living room (so she had to have run there since she was found inside her bedroom).

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I always thought as Z went to the front door to get the doordash, BK came in through the slider leaving it partially open. Noticing this she said "there's someone here" on her way back. I don't think D said that because how would she know that? Then did Z run to get E? Was Z found outside the bedroom door? Where was E found? I thought Z was killed last?

 

[danablue1]

I always thought as X went to the front door to get the doordash, BK came in through the slider leaving it partially open. Noticing this she said "there's someone here" on her way back. I don't think D said that because how would she know that? Then did Z run to get E? Was Z found outside the bedroom door? Where was E found? I thought Z was killed last?

Maybe BK ran after X running to her bedroom and then encountered E in.the bedroom and killed him first (bigger threat).and then killed X by the door

 

[Gemmie]

I always thought as Z went to the front door to get the doordash, BK came in through the slider leaving it partially open. Noticing this she said "there's someone here" on her way back. I don't think D said that because how would she know that? Then did Z run to get E? Was Z found outside the bedroom door? Where was E found? I thought Z was killed last?

The way Exhibit A reads IMO... she was inside her room as it says "also in the room was a male).


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[Tutter]

Compare these two photos, whoa!

What a change in his appearance. Looks like being incarcerated works for him. If I were a juror I would wonder what was going on in his life when he took the selfie, he looks horrible...all jmo.

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[Megnut]

I always thought as Z went to the front door to get the doordash, BK came in through the slider leaving it partially open. Noticing this she said "there's someone here" on her way back. I don't think D said that because how would she know that? Then did Z run to get E? Was Z found outside the bedroom door? Where was E found? I thought Z was killed last?

Door Dash was at 4...

BK probably entered at 4:10, at the earliest....

Murphy IMO would have stirred for the Door Dash car and for a door opening. XK, getting her food. (X not Z)

I think KG DID go check, to see what was bothering Murphy... got up to investigate. May have seen BK in back but may have seen the Door Dash delivery. All indications are that MM was asleep, because she was killed in bed and without defense apparently, but IMO that doesn't mean she was asleep asleep, KG could have told her there's someone there, whether alarmed or not.

In moments I think BK could have been upon them.

FWIW, I think they were murdered in this order: MM, KG, EC, XK.

I do think that XP may have discovered a slider that wasn't open minutes before, especially if SHE'S the one who said someone was there. Regardless, she was moving around at the same time as BK. Eerie.

IMO BK went looking for the female voice that told the top floor to be quiet.

Even though the floor plan is screwy, it's not a huge house. I think we'd be shocked at how close together all the rooms really are. He had full command of the sq ftg IMO by virtue of his stealth, his stride, his motive and his weapon.

JMO

 

[schooling]

The way Exhibit A reads IMO... she was inside her room as it says "also in the room was a male).

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Not a popular opinion, but I believe that Xana and Ethan were killed first. BK fights with Ethan. Xana retreats to the room. Ethan barely makes it back. BK thinks he kills both of them and goes upstairs and comes back to a crying Xana. JMO

I'm not sure that both of them being in the room are indicative of them encountering BK there. Would he have killed them if they were both in the bedroom and didn't see him? Would Xana had come out to check on Ethan in a encounter with BK? Vice versa?

The answers to those questions and a slightly different framing of the PSA lead me to believe that they were first.

MOO

 

[crhedBngr]

That's my feeling. I think he snuck in during a party, beer in hand so not to look out of place, walked the floor plan a few times, or maybe just once up and down trying his darndest to memorize the lay of the land, and then left before people realized he didn't belong. Sure, I'm sure partygoers won't know 100% of attendees in large parties like they had, but he doesn't fit in age-wise. Also, we all know he's awkward so I can't imagine he'd be able to do small talk with a bunch of drunk/high college kids. He had to get out before he was noticed.

I've posted a partial blueprint of the 2nd floor upthread... so could he have obtained a copy of the blueprint/layout somehow since my source had it? Still, it's a confusing layout IMO so even if he did that I know I'd feel more comfortable if I had actually walked and seen it with my own eyes. Something tells me he did that.

I also wonder if anything was missing after he crashed a party. Like... a pair of undies, a comb, lipstick... something.

All JMO.

THIS^^^^

JMVHO.

 

[schooling]

That's my feeling. I think he snuck in during a party, beer in hand so not to look out of place, walked the floor plan a few times, or maybe just once up and down trying his darndest to memorize the lay of the land, and then left before people realized he didn't belong. Sure, I'm sure partygoers won't know 100% of attendees in large parties like they had, but he doesn't fit in age-wise. Also, we all know he's awkward so I can't imagine he'd be able to do small talk with a bunch of drunk/high college kids. He had to get out before he was noticed.

I've posted a partial blueprint of the 2nd floor upthread... so could he have obtained a copy of the blueprint/layout somehow since my source had it? Still, it's a confusing layout IMO so even if he did that I know I'd feel more comfortable if I had actually walked and seen it with my own eyes. Something tells me he did that.

I also wonder if anything was missing after he crashed a party. Like... a pair of undies, a comb, lipstick... something.

All JMO.

Right after the murders there were 3D walking tours of the entire house on most of the major real estate sites. They were taking down a few weeks later (archive.org still contains remnants).

Not the ones that you might see now on other sources (true crime related) now. But photos clearly taken for real estate purposes. IMO it appeared to be taken shortly after the remodel. By someone intent on advertising and selling/leasing/renting out the home. JMO

It let you walk through the entire home. Every floor. BK had likely walked through that home dozens of times virtually from the comfort of his computer.

Edit: Still up on some sites. I bet with very little effort you'll find the 3D real estate walkthroughs (again, I'm not referring to the ones on the true crime sites) - https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1122-King-Rd_Moscow_ID_83843_M94866-24207

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

Yes, at least three light sources on the main floor. Cafe lights outside slider, strings of smaller lights in the kitchen in the area of the little table and stools, Good Vibes sign near DM’s room / living room. Top floor, Good Vibes sign in Kaylee’s room. I don’t know about Maddie’s and Xana’s rooms.

But.....would he know they were there and he wouldn't need any kind of light?

 

[danablue1]

Not a popular opinion, but I believe that Xana and Ethan were killed first. BK fights with Ethan. Xana retreats to the room. Ethan barely makes it back. BK thinks he kills both of them and goes upstairs and comes back to a crying Xana. JMO

I'm not sure that both of them being in the room are indicative of them encountering BK there. Would he have killed them if they were both in the bedroom and didn't see him? Would Xana had come out to check on Ethan in a encounter with BK? Vice versa?

The answers to those questions and a slightly different framing of the PSA lead me to believe that they were first.

MOO

I always thought he went straight to the 3rd floor because most killers would start at the top and work their way down unless he ran into someone first...

 

[danablue1]

I always thought he went straight to the 3rd floor because most killers would start at the top and work their way down unless he ran into someone first...

I always thought MM was his target Only my opinion

 

[detectivewannab]

Compare these two photos, whoa!

What a change in his appearance. Looks like being incarcerated works for him. If I were a juror I would wonder what was going on in his life when he took the selfie, he looks horrible...all jmo.

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[schooling]

I always thought he went straight to the 3rd floor because most killers would start at the top and work their way down unless he ran into someone first...

This is all MOO. Every word.

We learned DM was awake for one reason or another. I think the sound she heard above her was the dog sensing and alerting to someone approaching and/or entering the house. It was BK who was there for Maddie.

I think the "there's someone here" was from Xana who probably bumped into him. I think she might have been seriously hurt and retreated back to the bedroom. I think Ethan came out to see and confronted BK in the hallway. Judging by the description of Ethan's wounds it sounds like it was a brutal struggle. All 3 of them ended up back in the room where BK thinks he killed both of them. .

I think BF was awoken by the fight between Ethan and BK.

I think BK went right upstairs to kill Maddie and found both of them in the bed. After attacking and killing both he heard cries from Xana (who he thought he had killed) and scrambled downstairs before she got louder. Thinking that she would alert the police.

This caused him to mindlessly forget the sheath.

I think he went down to a crying Xana and said "it's ok, I'm going to help you" as he approached. To try and get her to quiet down and cooperate. Probably something he picked up from his Reddit study, IMO, where he asked this very question.

I suspect he found a crying Xana trying to crawl out of her room.

I think at some point he probably noticed his sheath was gone, looked for it in Xana's room and the hallway. And probably didn't go back upstairs for the same reason he didn't kill DM (who I believe he saw) . It was 10 minutes of loud noises, moving furniture, frantic dog, unexpected victims, and when he saw DM he was probably thinking "she called the police 10 minutes ago and they are on their way".

Resulting in a frantic exit.

All MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

Not a popular opinion, but I believe that Xana and Ethan were killed first. BK fights with Ethan. Xana retreats to the room. Ethan barely makes it back. BK thinks he kills both of them and goes upstairs and comes back to a crying Xana. JMO

I'm not sure that both of them being in the room are indicative of them encountering BK there. Would he have killed them if they were both in the bedroom and didn't see him? Would Xana had come out to check on Ethan in a encounter with BK? Vice versa?

The answers to those questions and a slightly different framing of the PSA lead me to believe that they were first.

MOO

The good thing is the blood evidence should confirm this one way or the other. To me, it makes the most sense that the sheath is in the room where the first attack occurred. Those murders were apparently easy, because both girls were supposedly found in the same bed. If he's going to lose it, it's going to be in the room with the biggest struggle. But that didn't happen because he took it off as he was sneaking up to the girls, then put it down on the bed and forgot about it.

 

[SteveP]

I always thought MM was his target Only my opinion

I agree, I think she was the first one killed, and then KG, then EC and finally poor XK, who may have already been injured, and put up a helluva fight, I think. JMO

 

[Gemmie]

But.....would he know they were there and he wouldn't need any kind of light?

He would if he crashed a party to get the lay of the land. Also, at least one of them was visible from the living room window.

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Not a popular opinion, but I believe that Xana and Ethan were killed first. BK fights with Ethan. Xana retreats to the room. Ethan barely makes it back. BK thinks he kills both of them and goes upstairs and comes back to a crying Xana. JMO

Here is where the window viewing the sign was. Note that you can grab and drag so you can see the opposite wall and the window the pic above is seen:

Virtual Tour of 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho

Virtual Tour | In the early hours of November 13, 2022, a mass murder took pl... | 1122 King Road

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Here is why I think Xana and Ethan were last. I grabbed a blueprint pic from that area, linked above to give you a feel for it. Window is circled and also North. X marks the spot of the sign. I also noted the path in red that I think BK took if he was leaving Xana's room (so they were last IMO). If they had been first, he would have taken the blue path from the 3rd floor. I would have though DM would have said "a guy all in black was coming down the stairs" . Plus, the Witness Identification statement of DM says "D.M. reiterated: she saw a male figure in the hallway approximately three feet from her; he was holding something; he was wearing all black clothes;".

There's no way he could have been 3' away had he come from the 3rd floor. The bottom step is right on top of where she was peeping out her door. IMO he had to have from from Xana's room in order for DM to see him "~3' from her in the hallway". That tells me Maddie and Kaylee were first.


All JMO!

 

[Gemmie]

I always thought he went straight to the 3rd floor because most killers would start at the top and work their way down unless he ran into someone first...

Agreed. Not just for that reason but also because it's my belief that Maddie was first, and Kaylee found in her bed was a surprise. Also what I just laid out in my post above this one as to why I believe Xana and Ethan were last.

 

[Gemmie]

This is all MOO. Every word.

We learned DM was awake for one reason or another. I think the sound she heard above her was the dog sensing and alerting to someone approaching and/or entering the house. It was BK who was there for Maddie.

DM was awake because she heard a male voice or other noises.

Sometime between 4:00 a.m. and 4:20 a.m. D.M. woke up and heard a male’s voice, a voice she did not recognize, say “It’s okay, I’m going to help you.”

And...

D.M. testified she woke up around 4:00 a.m. to noises (music, Murphy, talking, and/or singing). D.M. testified she opened her door and heard a man’s voice say “It’s okay, I’m going to help you. And I didn’t know who the man’s voice was.”

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/031725-States-Response-Defendants-MiL-7-RE-Witness-Identification-Bushy-Eyebrows.pdf

I think BF was awoken by the fight between Ethan and BK.

No mention of a fight in DM's statement. Since their rooms were on the same floor I think she definitely would have known if there was a fight.

 

[GoJacks]

Referencing the thumbs up photo - did he even realize he left the sheath at this point?! Seemingly would be a bit more panicked and not doing a photo shoot in his bathroom. But maybe he didn't consider DNA being on it, hm.