4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[femto]

It would have been a hour bike ride and a 3 1/2 hour walk. I bet he had canvased the neighborhood for cameras multiple times and whatever he saw (or better yet didnt see) made him feel comfortable. He knew he would have a new front plate soon. His car had no distinct stickers, dents, etc. Other than stealing a car his own personal car was his only/best choice. JMO

Also, maybe he brought the sheath so he could take it out and put it away? I'd imagine that you're not going to put something that large in your pocket as you jump, run, escape, change, whatever. And it ultimately would have been key in him transporting it out of there without cutting anything or himself. JMO

You phone can't ping off towers or be tracked if cellular is off. which typically if airplane mode is on or your phone is completely off.JMO

Some phones keep GPS on but without wifi or tower data they would need physical access to your phone to retrieve that information. JMO

This is why LE only knows where BK was when his phone was turn off and then turned back on. Where I'm going to suspect he slipped up is that he didn't turn off his phone at all. He put it into Airplane mode. Which killed the cellular but left Wifi and Bluetooth on. And they are going to find his phone's MAC address in the house on a bluetooth enabled device and maybe their wifi router. All of our phones do the same thing when we merely walk down the street. Retailers and LE exploit this to track people in public places. JMO

I am not an expert on anything cellular, wifi, or bluetooth. Just for the record.

Remember. Our brains aren't wired like his BKs. We would never even approach someones front door and jiggle the door knob without being invited inside. Never mind enter someones home and murder 4 complete strangers. MOO

Compulsion probably overcame logic and he convinced himself tall of the things you mentioned weren't a big deal. (IMO)

Why would the time for him to get there matter? We know he wasn't in any hurry and we know he was wasting time in Moscow 1 hour early before the killings. We're not talking about him going to the shop to buy candy, he was about to do something irreversible that would have changed (and everyone else's around him forever). Better to take all precautions than to have something that can used against you. The point is that the Elantra he was driving was caught on multiple cameras tracking his movements. How many 2011/2013 Elantras do you think there are in the vicinity of Moscow? It wouldn't take long to narrow down all the suspects.

Taking the sheath with him doesn't make any sense. His car was parked right next to the house, it's not like he was going to carry the knife for hours. He had far more chance of cutting himself trying to kill them than carrying the knife and he couldn't exactly do that with the sheath.

Your cell phone can absolutely be tracked turned off unless the battery itself is also off, it's just harder. Snowden has talked about this in depth if you're interested.

We don't know what LE knows. They've only given the bare minimum of information. I'm 100% confident there's a lot more things they haven't revealed yet.

I understand what you're trying to say, but I don't need to be a killer to know the basic things that will limit the chance of getting caught. This was obviously a pre-planned crime and not something done on the fly. Now we don't know why he chose the house, the victim(s), motive, etc, but we do know that he didn't just randomly stumble on that location and decide to just go at it.

 

[SteveP]

Why would the time for him to get there matter? We know he wasn't in any hurry and we know he was wasting time in Moscow 1 hour early before the killings. We're not talking about him going to the shop to buy candy, he was about to do something irreversible that would have changed (and everyone else's around him forever). Better to take all precautions than to have something that can used against you. The point is that the Elantra he was driving was caught on multiple cameras tracking his movements. How many 2011/2013 Elantras do you think there are in the vicinity of Moscow? It wouldn't take long to narrow down all the suspects.

Taking the sheath with him doesn't make any sense. His car was parked right next to the house, it's not like he was going to carry the knife for hours. He had far more chance of cutting himself trying to kill them than carrying the knife and he couldn't exactly do that with the sheath.

Your cell phone can absolutely be tracked turned off unless the battery itself is also off, it's just harder. Snowden has talked about this in depth if you're interested.

We don't know what LE knows. They've only given the bare minimum of information. I'm 100% confident there's a lot more things they haven't revealed yet.

I understand what you're trying to say, but I don't need to be a killer to know the basic things that will limit the chance of getting caught. This was obviously a pre-planned crime and not something done on the fly. Now we don't know why he chose the house, the victim(s), motive, etc, but we do know that he didn't just randomly stumble on that location and decide to just go at it.

Just a thought, but had he done much walking or biking to get to the house that night, rather than driving, he would have expended a lot of energy that he needed for the stabbings. JMO

Can you provide a link supporting your statement that cell phones can be tracked while turned off? TIA

 

[Diddian]

Also is it a shovel for removing snow? Or a pointed shovel one used for digging holes?

When you live in areas that get snow, you may have either - likely flat edged and wide snow shovels at the house for keeping walkways, decks, and porches clear of snow, but shorter-handled, pointed "camp" shovels in the vehicles for digging out of snow if necessary.

 

[russoca]

Unless I misunderstand the technology, towers cannot track phone pings when a phone is powered off, as it is not communicating with the tower. It can be determined the location that it was powered off and powered back on, but it can tell nothing about the phone while it is actually powered off. Btw, do we actually know what his phone was? I have seen it referred to by digits, but is it an Android or an IPhone? ANd would that matter at all, as far as trackable abilities?

Also, we will never know, bc BK is not likely to tell us, but I do not believe his intent was to threaten and SA MM. I believe his intent was to kill her. JMO

When the iPhone (I believe the PCA mentioned he had an iPhone) is put into Airplane Mode is does not turn off the GPS. So, Google Maps, Location Services, etc would still be able to function.

I have long thought that LE got A LOT of stuff from his phone.

MOO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

SG did an interview earlier today when he described witnesses "putting their foot down" in regards to Kohberger attempting to purchase another knife. I believe he is talking about his family members, and do believe this is going to be true.

Because think about it. He's searching Amazon for a knife that is readily available, yet apparently did not make that purchase. Something like this explains it perfectly, and does jibe with Blum's (I know) reporting that members of the family were suspicious.

It may be that when BK was searching Amazon for a replacement knife there was a restriction on buying K-Bars and he was reluctant to take extra steps to consummate a purchase. I know there are K-Bar restrictions on the USMC online shops from whom I receive emails. The uniform shop requires adult signature. Another requires the purchaser to call. BK may not have wanted to draw extra attention to a purchase. MOO.

 

[detectivewannab]

It may be that when BK was searching Amazon for a replacement knife there was a restriction on buying K-Bars and he was reluctant to take extra steps to consummate a purchase. I know there are K-Bar restrictions on the USMC online shops from whom I receive emails. The uniform shop requires adult signature. Another requires the purchaser to call. BK may not have wanted to draw extra attention to a purchase. MOO.

At some point he knew he was let go from teaching so where would he have it sent? Parents house?

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Thinking about BK’s creepy selfie: as most of us are agreeing, he’s just giddy with delight — look at that smirk and all he emotes. Contrast that to every other photo we have seen since his arrest where he has an absolutely flat affect, because as defense explains he is on the spectrum. The one time he breaks out of that flat affect is after a shower, about six hour after the four kids were murdered. Coincidence?

Let’s point out to AT that he is capable of emoting and when. MOO.

 

[LinasK]

Good he is locked up and cannot get to anyone.


Prosecutor’s Office initially cited five aggravating factors, including allegations that Kohberger “exhibited utter disregard for human life” and “a propensity to commit murder which will probably constitute a continuing threat to society.”

Idaho Murders Trial: Why Prosecutors Want Bryan Kohberger’s Selfie Shown as Evidence​

In Idaho murder case, Kohberger’s defense argues death penalty ‘ought to be abolished’

Attorneys for the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students say the death penalty is arbitrary and unconstitutional. It’s the law of the land, prosecutors counter.

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In the upcoming Idaho murders trial, suspect Bryan Kohberger’s selfie could be entered as evidence in order to compare his physical attributes to a description given by an eyewitness.​

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Bryan Kohberger's selfie could become a key element of his trial.​

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Prosecutors have asked to introduce a selfie Kohberger took—allegedly hours after the University of Idaho murders took place—during his trial in an attempt to compare his appearance to that of a witness statement describing the intruder she saw in the students’ home.​

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According to court documents obtained by NBC News and viewed by E! News, Dylan Mortenson—one of the roommates living in the students’ home, identified as D.M. in the documents—says she saw a male in their residence wearing a ski mask that only revealed his nose and eyes.​

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“All I remember was seeing their eyebrows,” she told police, as recounted in the documents. “I don’t remember what their eyes looked like, but I remember their eyebrows. […] I just remember, like, bushy eyebrows. That’s all I could think about.”​

And there's your evidence of the bushy-eyed intruder! He took his own crime-scene selfie.

 

[LinasK]

Amazon Prime membership is pricey. You can hide purchases in case you are buying a gift for a family member who shares the account, and certainly delete your search history.

Maybe a family member peeked into BK’s account-who knows what saved logins were on a PC in Pennsylvania, or maybe they could guess a common used password. This could also be part of what the defense will say-that it really wasn’t BK looking at Kabars after the fact.

They have student rates. My daughter joined- that's how we got ours.

 

[Sachi]

SG did an interview earlier today when he described witnesses "putting their foot down" in regards to Kohberger attempting to purchase another knife. I believe he is talking about his family members, and do believe this is going to be true.

Because think about it. He's searching Amazon for a knife that is readily available, yet apparently did not make that purchase. Something like this explains it perfectly, and does jibe with Blum's (I know) reporting that members of the family were suspicious.

Yeah, this is very interesting. His family suspicions may prove very important. Also, Would BK’s motive of buying a new knife be to create confusion about Idaho ie this is my knife and possibly no record of the first purchase could/ would be found? OR would this attempted / aborted effort to purchase be a sign of ramping up to murder more?

 

[Megnut]

Yeah, this is very interesting. His family suspicions may prove very important. Also, Would BK’s motive of buying a new knife be to create confusion about Idaho ie this is my knife and possibly no record of the first purchase could/ would be found? OR would this attempted / aborted effort to purchase be a sign of ramping up to murder more?

If family was side-eyeing him, maybe he thought if he casually produced a paired knife/sheath, it would allay those doubts.

I would have been TERRIFIED to have suspicions and close either eye ever.

JMO

 

[PinkParis2052]

I shouldn't have but I stayed up all night long (fell asleep at 6am) reading and Googling, watching YouTube, and comparing notes. M00 is BK is Papa Rodgers and InsideLooking, but that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure about the Inside Looking account so I'll stay out that one for now.

But back to the Pappa Rodger Facebook account.

FYI - no Motion of Limine filed by the defense for a Facebook account for Bryan Kohberger so so I'm going to assume for right now, one doesn't exist for him.

There are no publicly known Facebook account search warrants for Bryan Kohberger. I heard that Bryan doesn't have a Facebook account.

In addition, around June 2023 or July 2023 the Pappa Rodger Facebook account went live for like one or two post and went back to not posting. I also read that it the Pappa Rodger Facebook account was an admin account and after Bryan was arrested the layout of that Facebook group changed but the account had stopped posting.

The theory is that Pappa Rodger Facebook account was probably LE looking for the prep. IMO.

edited to add: the Pappa Rodger Facebook account was posting things that other accounts had already posted too. There are a few YouTube channels that caught on to this and they posted screenshots with timestamps.

All IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

It may be that when BK was searching Amazon for a replacement knife there was a restriction on buying K-Bars and he was reluctant to take extra steps to consummate a purchase. I know there are K-Bar restrictions on the USMC online shops from whom I receive emails. The uniform shop requires adult signature. Another requires the purchaser to call. BK may not have wanted to draw extra attention to a purchase. MOO.

That’s a good thought. I imagine it would require

Yeah, this is very interesting. His family suspicions may prove very important. Also, Would BK’s motive of buying a new knife be to create confusion about Idaho ie this is my knife and possibly no record of the first purchase could/ would be found? OR would this attempted / aborted effort to purchase be a sign of ramping up to murder more?

The heat was up, and these guys almost never go out and do it again when that’s the case.

I believe he’s like a serial killer, which would mean a cooling off period. So I strongly lean towards the former. To cover his if he had to explain where his knife was.

 

[Sachi]

There is something very compelling about a family suspecting their own enough to gather “several” to go through their car, especially since it’s a sibling - certainly they witnessed and worry over BK, maladaptive behavior, obsessive nature, drug use , paranoia. This sibling was tuned in ,had a feeling and courageously sounded the family bell, at the level of suspecting he had “something to do with” the murder, speaks volumes. Could his sister/s be call to the stand by the prosecution?

 

[Gigiky]

So for the longest time I have been thinking that there was one intended victim. Some other posters seem to agree. We still don't know for 100% certain if he knew any of these victims. I have tried time and time again to do the (6 degrees of separation), and come up empty. But I read in a post recently that BK had slide into one of the females DMs. Not sure if it was IG or FB.That person never responded. So we know that these were collage kids and it goes without saying they partied. I'm just wondering if maybe the girls could have been out in a club and maybe BK ask one of them to dance and that's where it started. My mind just can't get around this being random. It's not like the
victim /s are here to say,( oh yeah I remember that creep from the club).For a normal person a dance is a dance but for some they take it as an invitation. JMO.

 

[SteveP]

When the iPhone (I believe the PCA mentioned he had an iPhone) is put into Airplane Mode is does not turn off the GPS. So, Google Maps, Location Services, etc would still be able to function.

I have long thought that LE got A LOT of stuff from his phone.

MOO

But if the phone is physically powered off, none of this applies, correct? Are we to assume that the mastermind actually put his phone in Airplane Mode rather than actually powered it off?? That would have been a huge mistake. You may be right. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

There is something very compelling about a family suspecting their own enough to gather “several” to go through their car, especially since it’s a sibling - certainly they witnessed and worry over BK, maladaptive behavior, obsessive nature, drug use , paranoia. This sibling was tuned in ,had a feeling and courageously sounded the family bell, at the level of suspecting he had “something to do with” the murder, speaks volumes. Could his sister/s be call to the stand by the prosecution?

Yup, she could be. There’s no privilege in that regard.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

And how would someone with severe OCD issues decide to get a PHD in criminology and forensics? Isn't that pretty messy and icky for someone who couldn't deal with ICK?

Not really, studied on an academic level pretty much based on the printed word, using electronic devices and websites. Probably not even required to touch a physical book or pen and paper these days. Hardly as if he was OCD and phobic of 'ick' and became a doctor of gastroenterology.
However, the gory effects of slaughtering human beings with a knife would be contradictory.

 

[vls12345]

General info about phone tracking when in airplane mode or when completely powered off:

How Does Your Mobile Phone Track You (Even When Off)?

Ever wondered how your mobile phone tracks you? Let's unravel the mystery and explore the surprising ways your device follows you, even when it's off.

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[Sachi]

Bryan Kohberger's Amazon records are 'catastrophic' for defense, 'smoking gun' for prosecutors, experts say

Bryan Kohberger's Amazon shopping records and "click activity" are damning for his defense, after he allegedly bought a Ka-Bar knife before the Idaho murders.

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