4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #102

[Warwick7]

The more we find out, the more we realize clumsy and idiotic BKs plan was. IMO the only reason this even feels like a mystery is because the internet has raised the bar on what they think is evidence. To meet today's standards you pretty much need 4K video with 400 witnesses who don't blink. And if there's any DNA transfer all 400 witnesses have to see it. JMO

BK is no criminal mastermind. IMO he wanted to get away with it and never come up on police radar. And if anything he was taking steps to mitigate any potential police questioning. The picture, searching for a replacement knife, etc. He bumbled his way through this thing.


JMO

Can you imagine the moment law enforcement busted through his father's door and handcuffed him, the shock he must have been feeling......

 

[browneyes]

He must have stalked it or been there for a party etc.

The other thing is how do you navigate in a dark house at night?

I only saw a few window blinds but not really any curtains... so if there was moonlight that night or light coming in from street lights, that might help.

Also, wasn't there a neon sign in the hallway near the kitchen?

I suspect, his eyes had conditioned to it being dark and when he entered a room, he may have even turned the light on before he started stabbing. He himself would be ready for the huge shocking glare but not the ones in the bed.

Regardless, I cannot imagine the depravity that has to be in your soul to do such a thing to an innocent victim.

He’s really not very smart. Why pick a house with so many bedrooms and occupants and not watch exactly who stayed at the house that night. He’s so evil.

 

[rleigh123]

And how would someone with severe OCD issues decide to get a PHD in criminology and forensics? Isn't that pretty messy and icky for someone who couldn't deal with ICK?

Although common, OCD doesn't always manifest as aversion to germs, mess, or a need for neatness, organization, etc.

From Mayo Clinic:

Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) features a pattern of unwanted thoughts and fears known as obsessions. These obsessions lead you to do repetitive behaviors, also called compulsions. These obsessions and compulsions get in the way of daily activities and cause a lot of distress.

Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[browneyes]

Can you imagine the moment law enforcement busted through his father's door and handcuffed him, the shock he must have been feeling......

Hope it shows up on ID’s Body Cam show. I would love it.

 

[Warwick7]

 

[bestill]

Bryan Kohberger's Amazon records are 'catastrophic' for defense, 'smoking gun' for prosecutors, experts say

Bryan Kohberger's Amazon shopping records and "click activity" are damning for his defense, after he allegedly bought a Ka-Bar knife before the Idaho murders.

www.yahoo.com

He bought the knife months before the event and then shopped for another one days after the event. Dude is more than toast!! Amazon for the win!

 

[Warwick7]

 

[sassyblue]

Can you imagine the moment law enforcement busted through his father's door and handcuffed him, the shock he must have been feeling......

Good. Hope his heart stuttered and almost stopped in fear...it would be the very bare minimum of what MM, KG, XK and EC felt before their hearts stopped permanently.

I hope he thought he was going to die in those quick moments when the police busted in his parent's home and I can not wait until he sits in front of the firing squad that is coming.

You get what you ask for in this life and if his goal was to be a well known mass killer then welcome to the penalty for your actions, BK.

ETA...I am cranky tonight...been dealing with contractors working on updating my home. Apparently the general consensus these days is...I don't know what I am doing...didn't know that is what you wanted me to do....I did the best I can...you really didn't want me to do what you hired me to do...right? Cause I can't do that....

So I am taking it out on that budding freak, wanna be serial killer BK. Thank God they caught him early.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Did anyone else notice this pocket on this set of coveralls.? Not saying he used these coveralls, or that he used this brand or anything like that. But notice that there is a convenient pocket that could somewhat hold a sheath if you didn't realize it would be too shallow for a good hold. Any set of coveralls could have a similar pocket.

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[Kemug]

I wonder what he would have stopped at. We knew quite some time ago that one of his sisters was suspicious of him to the extent that she and other family members searched his car. It wouldn't have been his trusting father, so probably his 2 sisters and mother. Now we learn that his Amazon purchase of a knife was also known to them, and it now also seems that they prevented him from buying another after the murders. So at that point BK had to have been aware that they suspected him. Surely he must have. Was he planning on doing anything about it? Once he got another knife, would they have been safe from him? Did they notify LE that he was trying to get another knife? And that was why LE smashed into the house so dramatically to arrest him? It seemed a bit extreme at the time, but not if they knew these details and genuinely feared for his family.

 

[wendy44]

There is something very compelling about a family suspecting their own enough to gather “several” to go through their car, especially since it’s a sibling - certainly they witnessed and worry over BK, maladaptive behavior, obsessive nature, drug use , paranoia. This sibling was tuned in ,had a feeling and courageously sounded the family bell, at the level of suspecting he had “something to do with” the murder, speaks volumes. Could his sister/s be call to the stand by the prosecution?

I've seen Megyn Kelly's show linked here before so I think this is okay. She had Howard Blum on today and he reported that one of the sisters is writing a book. Family members like BK can cause so much chaos and do so much damage to their immediate family and beyond. Siblings can be very angry and sad not just for themselves, but for their parents and other siblings. I hope she is writing a book, it's a perspective we don't often get.
JMO

 

[rleigh123]

There is something very compelling about a family suspecting their own enough to gather “several” to go through their car, especially since it’s a sibling - certainly they witnessed and worry over BK, maladaptive behavior, obsessive nature, drug use , paranoia. This sibling was tuned in ,had a feeling and courageously sounded the family bell, at the level of suspecting he had “something to do with” the murder, speaks volumes. Could his sister/s be call to the stand by the prosecution?

I didn't follow this case a lot, so this old news about BK's family being suspicious is a bombshell to me.

Does anyone have any other info about this?

The article says it comes from a "report."
I wonder from where?


I can't find the post that originally contained this, but here it is again:

Idaho murders suspect’s parents ordered to testify in Dana Smithers case

Dana Smithers vanished without a trace in Pennsylvania back in May 2022, with her remains found last month in a wooded area

www.the-independent.com

From the article:

"However, it comes following a report that one of the accused killer’s older sisters grew increasingly suspicious that her brother could have been involved in the Idaho murders prior to his arrest.

Her suspicions were so great that – at one point – several family members searched Mr Kohberger’s white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the crime when the family gathered to spend the holidays together back in Pennsylvania, sources told NBC’s Dateline."

 

[rleigh123]

I've seen Megyn Kelly's show linked here before so I think this is okay. She had Howard Blum on today and he reported that one of the sisters is writing a book. Family members like BK can cause so much chaos and do so much damage to their immediate family and beyond. Siblings can be very angry and sad not just for themselves, but for their parents and other siblings. I hope she is writing a book, it's a perspective we don't often get.
JMO

I wonder if this is the same sister who starred in a horror film or the one who is a counselor.

 

[Gigiky]

I wonder if this is the same sister who starred in a horror film or the one who is a counselor.

Or the one he stole the phone from. JMO

 

[rleigh123]

[.....] Now we learn that his Amazon purchase of a knife was also known to them, and it now also seems that they prevented him from buying another after the murders. [.....]

Clipped by me.


Wow. Do you recall the source for this? Thanks!

 

[Kemug]

See #786, also 718 and 765.

 

[wendy44]

I didn't follow this case a lot, so this old news about BK's family being suspicious is a bombshell to me.

Does anyone have any other info about this?

The article says it comes from a "report."
I wonder from where?


I can't find the post that originally contained this, but here it is again:

Idaho murders suspect’s parents ordered to testify in Dana Smithers case

Dana Smithers vanished without a trace in Pennsylvania back in May 2022, with her remains found last month in a wooded area

www.the-independent.com

From the article:

"However, it comes following a report that one of the accused killer’s older sisters grew increasingly suspicious that her brother could have been involved in the Idaho murders prior to his arrest.

Her suspicions were so great that – at one point – several family members searched Mr Kohberger’s white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the crime when the family gathered to spend the holidays together back in Pennsylvania, sources told NBC’s Dateline."

Howard Blum reported in his book that the sister who was a practicing psychologist grew increasingly suspicious after watching BK wearing white surgical gloves while vacuuming his car's upholstery and trunk with the shop vac, sorting trash into ziplocs and sneaking out at midnight to put the family's trash in the neighbor's bins (he reports the family's trash bags, not just BK's trash, which makes more sense if he's worried about a DNA pull). He wrote that she finally shared her suspicions with her father--he listened, but didn't respond.
JMO
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[Ghostwheel]

And how would someone with severe OCD issues decide to get a PHD in criminology and forensics? Isn't that pretty messy and icky for someone who couldn't deal with ICK?

Jumping off this post. For anyone who doesn't know OCD often has nothing to do with "ick". Obsessive compulsive disorder is when you have a compulsion that in one's mind needs to obsessively be done. Some people need to turn a door knob three times before they can open a door, some need to do things in a certain order or their whole day is thrown off. Many people with OCD, you might not even notice it at all unless you are good friends (maybe you have a friend that cannot eat an apple unless it is cut in 8 pieces). And like anything else, there are varying degrees of OCD. But the compulsions often have nothing to do with washing your hands 10 times a day or being a germaphobe. Heck, being a serial killer smacks of harm OCD. IMO.

That 'attachment' in question is a continuous loop of leather designed for a belt to thread through. Unless he took off a belt, there's nothing it realistically could have been attached to to come free from. The snap isn't anything to do with attaching it to your person, it's to hold the hilt secure when the knife is sheathed.

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So this made me think again. I always assumed pocket, because I know the loop is stitched and cannot just "unattach" from a belt. It could slide off if a belt came loose, but that's about it. So how would you carry this if not on a belt? Pocket (which led me to the coveralls pocket in a previous post).

And THEN I thought carabiner, SQUARE/rectangle//triangle/D ring style (hook the carabiner through the top of the sheath, then hook it through a loop on coveralls or a belt clip where you put the sheath in the clip then clip it to a pocket or loop. {A knife would be sideways if you did this-plenty of tactical clips that can do this). IF he was trying to be fancy, either of those would have made it fairly easy to leave the sheath behind if he had to lean over the bed to get to a second person.

Yet again, another random thought.

 

[Warwick7]

I'm not sure about the Inside Looking account so I'll stay out that one for now.

But back to the Pappa Rodger Facebook account.

FYI - no Motion of Limine filed by the defense for a Facebook account for Bryan Kohberger so so I'm going to assume for right now, one doesn't exist for him.

There are no publicly known Facebook account search warrants for Bryan Kohberger. I heard that Bryan doesn't have a Facebook account.

In addition, around June 2023 or July 2023 the Pappa Rodger Facebook account went live for like one or two post and went back to not posting. I also read that it the Pappa Rodger Facebook account was an admin account and after Bryan was arrested the layout of that Facebook group changed but the account had stopped posting.

The theory is that Pappa Rodger Facebook account was probably LE looking for the prep. IMO.

edited to add: the Pappa Rodger Facebook account was posting things that other accounts had already posted too. There are a few YouTube channels that caught on to this and they posted screenshots with timestamps.

All IMO.

I don't know about fb Pappa Rodger. I only aware of Pappa Rodger former member of University of Idaho-Case Discussion.

 

[iamshadow21]

Jumping off this post. For anyone who doesn't know OCD often has nothing to do with "ick". Obsessive compulsive disorder is when you have a compulsion that in one's mind needs to obsessively be done. Some people need to turn a door knob three times before they can open a door, some need to do things in a certain order or their whole day is thrown off. Many people with OCD, you might not even notice it at all unless you are good friends (maybe you have a friend that cannot eat an apple unless it is cut in 8 pieces). And like anything else, there are varying degrees of OCD. But the compulsions often have nothing to do with washing your hands 10 times a day or being a germaphobe. Heck, being a serial killer smacks of harm OCD. IMO.

So this made me think again. I always assumed pocket, because I know the loop is stitched and cannot just "unattach" from a belt. It could slide off if a belt came loose, but that's about it. So how would you carry this if not on a belt? Pocket (which led me to the coveralls pocket in a previous post).

And THEN I thought carabiner, SQUARE/rectangle//triangle/D ring style (hook the carabiner through the top of the sheath, then hook it through a loop on coveralls or a belt clip where you put the sheath in the clip then clip it to a pocket or loop. {A knife would be sideways if you did this-plenty of tactical clips that can do this). IF he was trying to be fancy, either of those would have made it fairly easy to leave the sheath behind if he had to lean over the bed to get to a second person.

Yet again, another random thought.

Carabiners are designed for climbing, they're specifically designed to NOT come free or fail under stress from various directions, lives depend on it. If there was one attached to a fabric loop, I'd expect the loop to be the failure point, leaving the carabiner and possibly the torn loop behind with the sheath.

(I am not a climber, but my mother did some climbing and caving in her youth, oh, fifty plus years ago, and she has an autistic special interest in expeditions climbing the world's challenging peaks. I know a ridiculous amount about climbing techniques and gear from her infodumping.)

MOO