4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[mrjitty]

I shoot video and 7 minutes is an eternity. It's all about context.

i can run nearly 1.5 km in that time!

and i am NOT in my 20s lol

 

[Warwick7]

He almost certainly would have used OxiClean, or another oxygen based cleaner. It's something I learned about it another case, where the killer made the mistake of laundering his clothes with bleach - DNA was still present.

Oxygen-Based Cleaners (e.g., OxiClean, Sodium Percarbonate-Based Products):

• Why it works: These cleaners contain active oxygen compounds (like sodium percarbonate) that release hydrogen peroxide when dissolved in water. They flood blood proteins with oxygen, degrading hemoglobin and DNA to the point where forensic tests (luminol, phenolphthalein, or hemoglobin tests) may yield negative results. A 2009 study from the University of Valencia found that detergents with active oxygen eliminated blood traces on various materials, even after 40 days, rendering them undetectable by standard forensic methods.
• Effectiveness: These products can remove both visible stains and microscopic traces, especially if used with thorough scrubbing and rinsing. They’re particularly effective on fabrics like car seats or carpets.
• Use in cars: Safe for most car interiors, though repeated applications may be needed for porous surfaces like carpets. They leave minimal residue and are less likely to damage materials compared to bleach.
• Availability: Widely available in supermarkets as laundry or upholstery cleaners (e.g., OxiClean Upholstery Cleaner).

In my line of work I have two spray pumps I work with. One is oxiclean and a gallon of water. My other sprayer has a mixture of dawn dish soap and peroxide with a gallon of water. Either will take care of the blood. But, I have to use my black light again and again to get everything. Same for animal urine.

Since BK was studying criminology he should have known what you posted as well as what I use.

However, bleach keeps coming into the equation on this thread. His sister could have saw him use bleach or at the very least thought it was bleach.

 

[MassGuy]

In my line of work I have two spray pumps I work with. One is oxiclean and a gallon of water. My other sprayer has a mixture of dawn dish soap and peroxide with a gallon of water. Either will take care of blood. But, I have to use my black light again and again to get everything. Same for animal urine.

Since BK was studying criminology he should have known what you posted as well as what I use.

However, bleach keeps coming into the equation on this thread. His sister could have saw him use bleach or at the very least thought it was bleach.

People use “bleach” colloquially, so I’m not reading much into that; it could have been any cleaning agent.

And that’s assuming the reporting is accurate to begin with.

 

[sunshineray]

Perhaps.

Or perhaps she just knows her own brother better than we do.

IMO

And perhaps her nose knew/was certain what she smelled, while searching through his car, and she will testify to it. The jury will decide if they fell she's being honest on the stand. If BK has a problem with what people close to him say on the stand, he can always correct that narrative by testifying himself. JMO

 

[jepop]

Re: Hon Judge Hippler's Order on State's MIL Admissibility of Text Messages

In the context of State's arguments for admissibility of hearsay (roommates' text messages) because excited utterance and/or present sense impression, and Defense's counter arguments.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+States+Motions+in+Limine+RE+Text+Messages+and+911+Call.pdf

IMO, what an Incredibly detailed and considered order. This order rightfully and properly considers context (tone and order of text messages, in addition to their content). Judge Hippler presents his legal argument with a genuinely human and empathetic analysis of the surviving victims' actions.

In doing so he puts a plug in the dubiously conjectured (selective use of evidence) defense arguments as to how the surviving roommates would have behaved had they 'really' been scared, or startled.

Page 9 under Section IV Analysis
(my emphasis)

"...They were awoken from sleep after a night of drinking with D.M. reporting that she heard noises and saw a masked intruder in their home. None of the other roommates were responding to their calls and texts, further indicating something was amiss. It would be potentially terrifying for anyone, including these young women. To argue that they would have run out of the house or called someone else for help had they really been startled unempathetically ignores these circumstances and the trauma and confusion they were evidently experiencing, which likely offset logical thought. Indeed, the girls' fear and confusion is evident in their words, with both questioning what was going on, D.M. stating she was "freaked out," "scared" and "confused" and B.F. attempting to get them together quickly for safety. They were clearly under stress and attempting to make sense of a frightening situation."

footnote 9 at the bottom of Page 9.

"Defendant's argument also ignores the fact that D.M. indicated to B.F. that the intruder was leaving the house, in which case it is not surprising the girls did not want to run outside, had the thought crossed their minds at all."

I feel like Judge Hippler overseeing this case is a real blessing for justice. Jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

Re: Hon Judge Hippler's Order on State's MIL Admissibility of Text Messages

In the context of State's arguments for admissibility of hearsay (roommates' text messages) because excited utterance and/or present sense impression, and Defense's counter arguments.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+States+Motions+in+Limine+RE+Text+Messages+and+911+Call.pdf

IMO, what an Incredibly detailed and considered order. This order rightfully and properly considers context (tone and order of text messages, in addition to their content). Judge Hippler presents his legal argument with a genuinely human and empathetic analysis of the surviving victims' actions.

In doing so he puts a plug in the dubiously conjectured (selective use of evidence) defense arguments as to how the surviving roommates would have behaved had they 'really' been scared, or startled.

Page 9 under Section IV Analysis
(my emphasis)

"...They were awoken from sleep after a night of drinking with D.M. reporting that she heard noises and saw a masked intruder in their home. None of the other roommates were responding to their calls and texts, further indicating something was amiss. It would be potentially terrifying for anyone, including these young women. To argue that they would have run out of the house or called someone else for help had they really been startled unempathetically ignores these circumstances and the trauma and confusion they were evidently experiencing, which likely offset logical thought. Indeed, the girls' fear and confusion is evident in their words, with both questioning what was going on, D.M. stating she was "freaked out," "scared" and "confused" and B.F. attempting to get them together quickly for safety. They were clearly under stress and attempting to make sense of a frightening situation."

footnote 9 at the bottom of Page 9.

"Defendant's argument also ignores the fact that D.M. indicated to B.F. that the intruder was leaving the house, in which case it is not surprising the girls did not want to run outside, had the thought crossed their minds at all."

I feel like Judge Hippler overseeing this case is a real blessing for justice. Jmo

He's very no nonsense, and seems to have no tolerance for anything that smacks of victim blaming. I like it.

MOO

 

[Sachi]

Spitballin

As most of you have said, he won’t plea, He’ll delight and bask in the reconstruction and enjoy and chuckle at the prosecution glitches, taking this to the finish line, rolling in it like a dog ,his evil. Astonishingly horrid and pathetic at the same time.

 

[NoeticSoul]

If it's his "rigid belief" he's going to be found not guilty---then he's in for a rude awakening.

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... just goes to show how deranged his "beliefs" are imo. wow.

eta He thinks he can outsmart everyone else.

 

[jepop]

He's very no nonsense, and seems to have no tolerance for anything that smacks of victim blaming. I like it.

MOO

Yes, and moo the ability to conjoin the big picture with the details in evidence. This makes for fair rulings imo. Awesome reasoning powers in action.

 

[stormymama]

Well that answered the lighting question I had about BK. I mean if everything is dark at 4am how could he see anything? Well DM could see Xana on her floor as she ran downstairs.

To add to your thought, DM didn't see any blood because, while there was some dim light, it wasn't bright as the middle of the day inside the house, so she likely didn't see it and thought XK was just passed out.

eta: because some people are questioning "how did she not notice blood all over the place?"

 

[sunshineray]

Could be. But the car bleaching story she supposedly told hasn't been backed up by physical evidence. LE was supposedly surprised not to find traces of bleach in the car but it wasn't found. That tends to call into question the sister's story of seeing him clean the car with bleach.

As a rule, family members aren't unbiased reporters. And they aren't always accurate in what they say. We all have perceptual biases, after all. A family member may know her family member better than the public does but that doesn't mean her perceptions are always accurate. Sometimes it means the opposite. And at any rate, the sister hasn't been questioned under oath or cross-examined. So I'm not ready to accept her claims as true especially when they SEEM to conflict with physical findings.
MOO

Chloramines, a combination of chlorine and ammonia, are used in many cleaning products including auto ones and smell very simular to bleach. A lot of cleaning products, including some stain removers, use tracer scents that mock a light bleach smell too. I guess to eliminate stains and odors with a smell people associate with cleanliness. Some thoughts. We don't have all the info as to what the forensic tests showed was used to clean BK's car.
AJMO

 

[jepop]

Thank you! Poor XK (peace to you). Head towards the wall, feet towards the door -- not good. I think someone with more life experience might have known that meant more but at 19, probably not. JMOO

Okay, thinking a little further now it must have been absolutely surreal that HJ went to the kitchen to get a knife, to defend himself when about to check on what turned out to be stabbing victims. The reality of that is just too much.

It was confronting reading Judge Hippler's summaries. Those poor kids. I wish HJ could be given some recognition for his bravery like an award or something.

 

[Chloegirl]

It’s here: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...s+in+Limine+RE+Text+Messages+and+911+Call.pdf

I'm reviewing the text messages and it struck me that DM joined BF in her room. Were they were being exceedingly quiet, just lstening? Texting instead of speaking. It really paints a picture of OMG who the hell did I just see in my house and what's happening?! JMOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

These were very small bedrooms IMO, with very little floor space. I think, in the final analysis, the crime scene will bear this out: MM had next to no reaction time. KG, more. Not enough to defend herself but enough that BK had to improvise, resulting in the same fatal wounding, just more haphazard in delivery.

Similarly, I think EC had next to no time to react, at most sitting up. Much has been said of XK's defensive wounds, and I won't in any way minimize the horror of what she witnessed and experienced. She was perhaps the most awake of the roommates. But BK had the advantages of ambush, kbar and size. It's quite possible XK was attacked twice -- near fatal injuries, followed by EC being killed, then fully fatal injuries. Doubtful she was able to engage in any real hand to hand combat. Small room. Mostly bed. BK's wingspan -- 6'+. Add a Kbar and there's virtually no place in a small room he can't reach. IMO XK's injuries will reveal the brutality of the Kbar's design and the savagery with which BK yielded it, against a victim who had exactly nowhere to move. At most, her hands flew up or out, to protect herself, or to existing wounds, or to try to grab the knife. Any and all of which would have resulted in additional wounds, to her hands, and IMO a bloodletting only imagined in movies. Arterial spray, blood spatter from the knife itself, much of which BK may have been surprisingly clear of. Behind the knife, above all four victims.

Chaotic but BK remained in control of the knife. Utterly defenseless victims, which was his intention.

IMO it took him longer to park, enter, exit and drive away than the killing took. Hardly longer than had he used a gun.

JMO

Agree, and with the upper body strength from boxing (jabs, hooks, etc.) would have made the fatal blows much easier and deadlier to inflict.

BK was physically fit from running (endurance, agility), and boxing (upper body, arm strength). 4 sleeping victims (except Xana) would have offered little to no obstacle for him with the element of surprise on top of it all.

Really impressed with the findings of the Motions by Judge Hippler. He is extremely thorough in his thought process and offers legal citations supporting his decisions.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

Probably found? You think he dripped blood on the ground and somehow did not get any in his car?

They tested his car for a lot more than just blood and they found nothing with no sign of him cleaning the car either. If he did try to clean the car we'd of heard about it by know in my opinion.

Good gracious.

he had 2 months to clean it. You might be confusing having a dead body in a car... that is totally different with blood oozing thru the floorboards, etc. This blood would have only been on the surface of the killer's clothes.

 

[girlhasnoname]

7 minutes on the clock.

I think it actually took less than that. JMO

 

[jepop]

I stated earlier, BK had about six weeks between the time of the murders and the time of his arrest. That is a lot of time for cleaning a car, and he seemed to be fond of cleaning things, as a former downstairs neighbor claimed that he was noisy, often up late at night washing things, and there have also been reports of late night vacuuming.

Kohberger was a night owl, according to the neighbor, walking around well past midnight and “washing things.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/idaho-college-killings/moscow-idaho-killings-neighbors-new-normal/

We also know that he was seen by LE meticulously cleaning his car, inside and out, while under surveillance in Pa..

Kohberger, who was pursuing a PhD in criminal justice at Washington State University at the time of the killings, “cleaned his car, inside and outside, not missing an inch,” according to the law enforcement source.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/idaho-killings-suspect-bryan-kohberger-friday/index.html

And he reportedly used bleach to clean his car, and as a PhD student in criminology, he surely knows that bleach can damage and degrade DNA, and is thus a good method for destroying evidence in a vehicle.

But the concerns were clearly big enough for several of the family members to reportedly decide to search the 28-year-old’s vehicle to look for possible evidence. By that point, police said Mr Kohberger had already been spotted cleaning his car out with bleach and so the family members didn’t find anything of note, the source said.

Bryan Kohberger’s sister feared he was involved in Idaho murders

Sources told NBC’s Dateline that the accused killer’s family searched his white Hyundai Elantra for possible evidence of the Idaho college murders

www.the-independent.com

With a six-week headstart on vehicle cleanup, and probably multiple scrubs and vacuumings, and more than a jug or two of bleach, and all of the precautions he almost certainly took to avoid getting DNA and blood evidence in his car, likely stripping out of his murder attire and wrapping it up before getting into his car after the killings, plastic covers on seats, pedals, etc, I honestly would have been more surprised if LE had found such evidence in his white Elantra than I would have if they had not. JMO

Yeah this is such an important point and one that imo some conveniently ignore when they claim BK could not have done it because apparently no victim blood was IDed from the car.. .

That six week lead BK had for evidence disposal cannot be over over emphasised. An excessive cleaning compulsion would have been his best friend when it came to scrubbing out his car. I think it's possible he began that cleaning job (just to be extra sure even if he pre-prepped seats with plastic etc) the evening of Sun Nov 13th when he switched off ( moo) his phone in the vicinity of Johnson WA ( per PCA).

The area is a vast rural back water. He disconnects from the network on dark ( 5.30pm). We don't know what his cash purchase was earlier that day at Albertsons in Lewington ( or was it Clarkson?) but moo my imagination sees him obsessively checking his seats by torchlight and doing some scrubbing, away from prying eyes, maybe with products purchased that very day. And maybe also disposing of evidence such as clothing and possibly the knife. Jmo

 

[Justice101]

Spitballin

As most of you have said, he won’t plea, He’ll delight and bask in the reconstruction and enjoy and chuckle at the prosecution glitches, taking this to the finish line, rolling in it like a dog ,his evil. Astonishingly horrid and pathetic at the same time.

I honestly think BK will be watching this trial as if he is just an observer.... watching it from a criminal and technical evidence standpoint. This, after all, was his chosen field of study.

He knows he killed them. He also knows he will be convicted.

IMO, he wants to see (scientifically and theoretically) how the evidence is presented and rebutted. In other words, this was his "thesis" to see what it feels like to kill someone.. It will just be an extension of his "thesis" to see how it feels to be convicted. It completes the whole project.

As totally screwy as that all seems, that is my take on BK and why this trial is proceeding.

 

[girlhasnoname]

BBM
Have you seen this type knife?

Blade is 7 inches. It's considered a fighting, or hunting knife. Large, heavy, deadly.

He planned to knife people to death. He would have studied where the human heart, lungs, liver, carotid artery were. He knew where to stab and slash. Sorry for the bluntness. Sit still for 1 minute. IMO it would have taken mere seconds to kill Maddie who was asleep and defenseless. And I'd bet less than a minute for Kaylee.

Do not discount BK's weapon, which evidence has shown he purchased on Amazon.

Exactly, a 7 inch blade with a 3-4" handle with a safety guard to keep the hand from slipping down the blade makes it the ultimate silent killing weapon, and I believe BK ordered it for that particular reason.

This was planned, I do not know who or how long he targeted 1122, but this was not a spur of the moment act. BK was on a killing mission, why and for what purpose, I wonder if we will ever know?

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

True...they can still try and claim that BK bought a knife and it was stolen from him and then planted.
BUT on the flip side it was BK's cellphone data that shows he had been near the students' home at least 23 times prior to the murders.
And....it was BK who looks like he was attempting to delete his order/click history on Amazon.

Right, it's the totality of ALL the evidence. The DNA is the clincher. as that is what juries give the most weight to according to studies I published early on in the threads. DNA at the crime scene on the murder weapon left under a victim, CAST info, previous trips, CCTV, Amazon purchase of knife, all of it together =

BYE BYE, Bry.

IMO