4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[SteveP]

RSBM

17:08 (talking about when they met with the FBI at the satellite office before BK was arrested and they laid out a profile)...it's going to look different than a crime where somebody sneaks in, gets out, doesn't leave a bunch of evidence, a bunch of blood trails out. Early on they said they think this individual picked this community, wouldn't be surprised if he was on Washington side hugging the border. (Talks about Lewis and Clark murders and FBI speculated the area could have been chosen because they don't have a history of IDing their serial killers.

First, thank you so much for taking the time to summarize and transcribe key parts of the interview with SG. I listened to it last night, but it is great to have something to easily look back at for important points.

I have always wondered if BK specifically crossed the state line to commit the murders, which I believe that he may have, and if there was a reason, and again, I believe that there might have been.

Any of you long timers here will likely remember a dedicated, verified poster, @Foxfire, who was a retired Atlanta fire department captain, and who volunteered with some search and rescue groups. He very often talked about the phenomenon called jurisdictional linkage blindness, which is the failure of law enforcement agencies to recognize or share information across jurisdictional boundaries, which can hinder investigations, particularly in cases of violent serial crimes. I am sure that, as a student of criminology, BK would be familiar with linkage blindness, even if he was not familiar with the nearby Lewis-Clark Valley murders., which he likely was. As far as we know, the King Rd murders were BK's first, but I think most of us here believe, had he not been caught, they would not have been his last. Did he cross state lines, believing that a department's jurisdiction stopped at the county/state line, and neighboring departments would not be full partners in working to solve the crimes? Did he think that the small towns of Moscow and Pullman would not be adequately trained and work together? Did he not realize that the FBI surely would be in on day 1, working side-by-side with local agencies? Had he not been caught, would his next murders have been in Moscow, or would he have chosen Pullman, or maybe ventured a little farther out? Would he have killed, back home, in Pa? Thankfully, it seems very likely that he will never be free to hurt anyone else.

Finally, if he did intentionally cross state lines to kill, that is just one more bad move on his part, as Washington abolished the death penalty in 2018, while Idaho is preparing a firing squad for him.
JMO

 

[Megnut]

FWIW As someone who occasionally watches the skies, I don't use apps but I do follow the weather. Usually I put those events in a calendar app and check the weather/time/date etc.

There were meteor showers and a lunar eclipse that month. Idk about constellations but I doubt Bryan Kohberger was experienced enough to be able to orient himself without any gadgets. jmo.

And nothing better for stargazing than a foggy night...

 

[Cool Cats]

First, thank you so much for taking the time to summarize and transcribe key parts of the interview with SG. I listened to it last night, but it is great to have something to easily look back at for important points.

I have always wondered if BK specifically crossed the state line to commit the murders, which I believe that he may have, and if there was a reason, and again, I believe that there might have been.

Any of you long timers here will likely remember a dedicated, verified poster, @Foxfire, who was a retired Atlanta fire department captain, and who volunteered with some search and rescue groups. He very often talked about the phenomenon called jurisdictional linkage blindness, which is the failure of law enforcement agencies to recognize or share information across jurisdictional boundaries, which can hinder investigations, particularly in cases of violent serial crimes. I am sure that, as a student of criminology, BK would be familiar with linkage blindness, even if he was not familiar with the nearby Lewis-Clark Valley murders. As far as we know, the King Rd murders were BK's first, but I think most of us here believe, had he not been caught, they would not have been his last. Did he cross state lines, believing that a department's jurisdiction stopped at the county/state line, and neighboring departments would not be full partners in working to solve the crimes? Did he think that the small towns of Moscow and Pullman would not be adequately trained and work together? Did he not realize that the FBI surely would be in on day 1, working side-by-side with local agencies? Had he not been caught, would his next murders have been in Moscow, or would he have chosen Pullman, or maybe ventured a little farther out? Would he have killed, back home, in Pa? Thankfully, it seems very likely that he will never be free to hurt anyone else.

Finally, if he did intentionally cross state lines to kill, that is just one more bad move on his part, as Washington abolished the death penalty in 2018, while Idaho is preparing a firing squad for him.
JMO

Since more has come out about his online purchases of his "murder kit" I am starting to believe he was planning to commit murder at this specific house way back in early 2022 - January February March.

Yes, it looks like he deliberately picked that rual area thinking - as you explained - that there would be that lack of communication between LE borders and lack of resources in a small town rural setting.

And as you said, the FBI was there coordinating. They pulled out their top resources.....

FBI Forensic Examiner - 35 years with LE and 12 years with the FBI
Technical Specialist in digital media
Cell Site Location Information (CSLI)
Cellular Analysis Survey Team (CAST)
Othram (Genetics)
CODIS

To add to the local skilled LE ....

Assistant Chief - Washington State University Police Department
Idaho State Police (ISP)
Idaho State Police Forensics Services
Idaho State Police Detectives
Idaho State Crime Lab
Moscow Police Department Officers (MPD)
WSU Police
Moscow Police Department Sergeant - 22 years with previous homicide investigations
Latah County Sheriff's Deputy Corporal (CPL)

2 Cents and from PCA

 

[Warwick7]

Wow thanks.

Steve G ....

At 12:54 ...

STEVE G:
"I think there was multiple times he went there and he thought it was going to be the night and he got frustrated because there was a party or there were some people there and he wasn't allowed to do it so he made a rash decision, you know he he rushed himself and he went and did it...."

15:34 ...(discussing markings and damages on KG, that there was more to what happened to them) "I'll say he struck my daughter, I'll give that out. He punched her...he punched my daughter right in the face..."

BBM
I didnt see "more" and "them" before...

 

[whiterhino]

And nothing better for stargazing than a foggy night...

Probably also didn't need to leave the state for it but what do I know?!

 

[Megnut]

First, thank you so much for taking the time to summarize and transcribe key parts of the interview with SG. I listened to it last night, but it is great to have something to easily look back at for important points.

I have always wondered if BK specifically crossed the state line to commit the murders, which I believe that he may have, and if there was a reason, and again, I believe that there might have been.

Any of you long timers here will likely remember a dedicated, verified poster, @Foxfire, who was a retired Atlanta fire department captain, and who volunteered with some search and rescue groups. He very often talked about the phenomenon called jurisdictional linkage blindness, which is the failure of law enforcement agencies to recognize or share information across jurisdictional boundaries, which can hinder investigations, particularly in cases of violent serial crimes. I am sure that, as a student of criminology, BK would be familiar with linkage blindness, even if he was not familiar with the nearby Lewis-Clark Valley murders. As far as we know, the King Rd murders were BK's first, but I think most of us here believe, had he not been caught, they would not have been his last. Did he cross state lines, believing that a department's jurisdiction stopped at the county/state line, and neighboring departments would not be full partners in working to solve the crimes? Did he think that the small towns of Moscow and Pullman would not be adequately trained and work together? Did he not realize that the FBI surely would be in on day 1, working side-by-side with local agencies? Had he not been caught, would his next murders have been in Moscow, or would he have chosen Pullman, or maybe ventured a little farther out? Would he have killed, back home, in Pa? Thankfully, it seems very likely that he will never be free to hurt anyone else.

Finally, if he did intentionally cross state lines to kill, that is just one more bad move on his part, as Washington abolished the death penalty in 2018, while Idaho is preparing a firing squad for him.
JMO

Really good questions.

When he bought the knife, did he have a good idea where he'd be going for his PhD? Did he have options? I would think that, given his dark side, a sister college would be quite enticing.

If BK commit a single murder, carried out in silence and with precision, while leaving no DNA behind, he might not have anticipated an FBI response.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Really good questions.

When he bought the knife, did he have a good idea where he'd be going for his PhD? Did he have options? I would think that, given his dark side, a sister college would be quite enticing.

If BK commit a single murder, carried out in silence and with precision, while leaving no DNA behind, he might not have anticipated an FBI response.

JMO

And if what you say is true -

"he might not have anticipated an FBI response"

It could have been because he only planned to commit one murder. MM I believe.

 

[SteveP]

Really good questions.

When he bought the knife, did he have a good idea where he'd be going for his PhD? Did he have options? I would think that, given his dark side, a sister college would be quite enticing.

If BK commit a single murder, carried out in silence and with precision, while leaving no DNA behind, he might not have anticipated an FBI response.

JMO

I agree, and as many here believe, I do not think 4 murders were in his original plan.

 

[Megnut]

Since more has come out about his online purchases of his "murder kit" I am starting to believe he was planning to commit murder at this specific house way back in early 2022 - January February March.

Yes, it looks like he deliberately picked that rual area thinking - as you explained - that there would be that lack of communication between LE borders and lack of resources in a small town rural setting.

And as you said, the FBI was there coordinating. They pulled out their top resources.....

FBI Forensic Examiner - 35 years with LE and 12 years with the FBI
Technical Specialist in digital media
Cell Site Location Information (CSLI)
Cellular Analysis Survey Team (CAST)
Othram (Genetics)
CODIS

To add to the local skilled LE ....

Assistant Chief - Washington State University Police Department
Idaho State Police (ISP)
Idaho State Police Forensics Services
Idaho State Police Detectives
Idaho State Crime Lab
Moscow Police Department Officers (MPD)
WSU Police
Moscow Police Department Sergeant - 22 years with previous homicide investigations
Latah County Sheriff's Deputy Corporal (CPL)

2 Cents and from PCA

Or.... he was planning to murder someone in PA, who doesn't even realize how close he came.

I wonder when WSU came on his radar, how many programs he may have considered.

So either he was building his kill kit for a murder back home in the spring of 2022 or he was building it out, in anticipation of murder wherever he landed, with WSU being the obvious strike pad.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I agree, and as many here believe, I do not think 4 murders were in his original plan.

Yup.

This could be why he walked past DM and apparently did not go to the first floor where he would have encountered BF.

His plan went awry.

2 Cents

 

[Cool Cats]

Or.... he was planning to murder someone in PA, who doesn't even realize how close he came.

I wonder when WSU came on his radar, how many programs he may have considered.

So either he was building his kill kit for a murder back home in the spring of 2022 or he was building it out, in anticipation of murder wherever he landed, with WSU being the obvious strike pad.

JMO

I pick number 2

"building it out, in anticipation of murder wherever he landed"

Back in early 2022 I believe he knew where he would be. Takes enormous planning to relocate and I believe he picked WSU and had applied even, when he started his murder kit.

 

[Megnut]

And if what you say is true -

"he might not have anticipated an FBI response"

It could have been because he only planned to commit one murder. MM I believe.

One murder. To start.

And IMO it wasn't just murder he was after. I think it was the whole execution of it, from the planning to the murdering to watching LE's response, one long sick thrill.

And it would have only been a matter of time until he needed another thrill. Because nothing bores BK more than boring people and they're all around him.

Until it became obvious. Why is there always a murder one-town-over from where BK lived at the time?

BK could prey on ALL women by killing one at a time.

And didn't he boast that? That he could have any woman he wanted?

Yeah, no.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Any chance clumsy BK is ambidextrous? A boxer, I'm betting he could land a hard blow with either hand. Knife in the right? Fist on the left? We might need to take another look at that selfie. Was that his knife hand, his fist hand, his little shovel hand? Any knuckle abrasions? Of course an elbow can be just as effective.

It cost her her life but KG's presence (which IMO created the chaos, resulting in the sheath being left behind) solved MM's murder.

BK's clever countermeasures, all for naught, because his DNA took a selfie and stuck it to the crime scene.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

One murder. To start.

And IMO it wasn't just murder he was after. I think it was the whole execution of it, from the planning to the murdering to watching LE's response, one long sick thrill.

And it would have only been a matter of time until he needed another thrill. Because nothing bores BK more than boring people and they're all around him.

Until it became obvious. Why is there always a murder one-town-over from where BK lived at the time?

BK could prey on ALL women by killing one at a time.

And didn't he boast that? That he could have any woman he wanted?

Yeah, no.

JMO

Yes he did boast that he could have any woman, something like that.

Note, the timing and distance. Commit murder in a rural area then hang out for a month to gage all the local response and reactions then get far away from the area on winter break.

 

[Warwick7]

And nothing better for stargazing than a foggy night...

Oh my word you are so right!!

 

[NicoleInVa]

And in their further defense, I'm sure they never thought the alternative was -- deal with him somehow (where the how isn't clear) or he'll murder four people. Presumably, only BK knew how violent his fantasies were. Who thinks their PhD-program son is going to be a homicidal maniac?

JMO

And moreover, who think, their little boy (which is maybe when intense therapy could have helped) would go on to murder 4?

Given that one (or both?) of his sister’s are in the therapy space, it would be really interesting to hear their perspective.

MOO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Any chance clumsy BK is ambidextrous? A boxer, I'm betting he could land a hard blow with either hand. Knife in the right? Fist on the left? We might need to take another look at that selfie. Was that his knife hand, his fist hand, his little shovel hand? Any knuckle abrasions? Of course an elbow can be just as effective.

It cost her her life but KG's presence (which IMO created the chaos, resulting in the sheath being left behind) solved MM's murder.

BK's clever countermeasures, all for naught, because his DNA took a selfie and stuck it to the crime scene.

JMO

We have studied and speculated about bruising, punching someone in the face would likely bruise those knuckles imo, punching people in the face generally hurts.

ETA That should say studied the photo!

 

[Boxer]

Just want to note that you don't need an app if you are into star gazing as you pretty much know which constellations you are looking at in the night sky based on the season/time of year and time of night. And if you are into night sky star gazing, then you also are likely to know which planets are visible in the night sky and their rise and set times, etc. No star app is needed.

So, he just wants to look at stars he already knows, never expanding his knowledge or looking ahead to the next rising constellation?
If he didn't like using apps I think any stargazer is going to the have a laminated star map.

But maybe he is a purely recreational gazer, taking a break from being nerdy and technical about everything.

 

[borndem]

Since more has come out about his online purchases of his "murder kit" I am starting to believe he was planning to commit murder at this specific house way back in early 2022 - January February March.

Yes, it looks like he deliberately picked that rual area thinking - as you explained - that there would be that lack of communication between LE borders and lack of resources in a small town rural setting.

And as you said, the FBI was there coordinating. They pulled out their top resources.....

FBI Forensic Examiner - 35 years with LE and 12 years with the FBI
Technical Specialist in digital media
Cell Site Location Information (CSLI)
Cellular Analysis Survey Team (CAST)
Othram (Genetics)
CODIS

To add to the local skilled LE ....

Assistant Chief - Washington State University Police Department
Idaho State Police (ISP)
Idaho State Police Forensics Services
Idaho State Police Detectives
Idaho State Crime Lab
Moscow Police Department Officers (MPD)
WSU Police
Moscow Police Department Sergeant - 22 years with previous homicide investigations
Latah County Sheriff's Deputy Corporal (CPL)

2 Cents and from PCA

Hmmm -- How 'bout that?! Am I hearing a rumble or two??

 

[Sundog]

So, he just wants to look at stars he already knows, never expanding his knowledge or looking ahead to the next rising constellation?
If he didn't like using apps I think any stargazer is going to the have a laminated star map.

But maybe he is a purely recreational gazer, taking a break from being nerdy and technical about everything.

The main point in my post was that the absence of a star app on BK's phone doesn't have any significant meaning.

Yes, a person could have a planesphere for their latiude which would show what constellations would be visible in each season of the year and at what time of the night, but if you have been stargazing for a few years you pretty much already know what you're looking for and where in the night sky.