4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Megnut]

Thanks for this. I signed up and was able to watch also. His goose is cooked! I can't help but wonder if AT watched and if she did what is going through her head. Good Lord she has to be exhausted!

At last check, she was arranging deck chairs.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Man, this part of the story is all over the place, believe me. And it doesn't help that a lot of media doesn't bother to make corrections or do verification, so they just echo the same false info even now.

Turns out it was like ye olde telephone game.

QUOTES FROM DAD
So, here's the original interview with Dad on Nov 17, 2002 that is the source for other articles.

‘She’s a tough kid’: Avondale father says University of Idaho student killed fought her attacker

The father is now struggling to understand how this could have happened.

www.azfamily.com

(quoted in University of Idaho victim's father says Xana Kernodle had 'bruises,' put up a fight against killer and other articles)

point 1--Dad talks about the front door having a keypad (which you can see in this image Getty Images)

"The door locks with a number code. Every time you go, you have to go around the house because of the number code so they [meaning the killer] either knew that or went around and maybe found the slider door open,"

point 2-- a bit later in the interview XK's dad talks about visiting her and his impression of her:

"And she, really, when I went up there she, I saw her just a week before that and she changed a lot. She had a life. She got to see what it was like to have a boyfriend you live with. And she really turned around. She was really responsible. Helping him out with his studies and stuff. I was really impressed"

MISUNDERSTANDING BY MOM

At the beginning of December, XK'S mom was interviewed by Banfield by telephone.

"Northington says she believes the kids in the house were targeted, as opposed to the house itself. She also revealed that Xana may have had a lock on her bedroom door. Apparently, one weekend before the murder, Xana’s dad, Jeffrey Kernodle, was at the house to replace or fix locks. It’s unclear which locks he worked on."

Mother of slain Idaho student speaks for the first time

“I believe wholeheartedly that it was those kids who were targeted,” said Cara Northington, mother of Idaho Four victim Xana Kernodle.

www.newsnationnow.com

And media jumped on that and ran with it.

Since Jeff Kernodle didn't do any other interviews until Sept of 2023, what Xana's mom said was never checked or refuted. Keep in mind, Xana and her dad were not close with mom.

Thank you for this detailed explanation — now I see.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Thanks for inserting the timestamps, @Megnut.

This is my favorite of all the times Judge Hippler verbally admonished AT.

In NYC, many of us would call this “fumfering.”

It’s a Yiddish loan word that means speaking evasively.

The judge is consistently telling her that BK’s DNA on the sheath is IN AND OF ITSELF probable cause. Then she constantly fumfers, “well, Judge, um, because, well you know there was no DNA found in his car, though, and the magistrate…” Judge Hippler: “there’s his DNA on the sheath, though.”

JMO

I am embarrassed for this attorney. That she failed to make a rational argument is not novel in court, but that she was unable to even sugar coat it to sound somewhat intelligent was hysterical. Is it me or is her co-counsel smirking the entire time she attempts to convince a judge that her client’s dna on a likely murder weapon sheath found in the bed of two victims is just as insignificant as finding another man’s gum a few blocks away? Did she have a Deja vu moment that she was costarring in an Elle Woods sequel? I fully understand needing to fight for your client. But there is also the consideration of having some credibility. Perhaps she is taking notes from her client. Massguy, please cease sending the defense legal arguments…has your fingerprints all over it.

 

[Kemug]

He had a preference for blondes. The co-worker who hit on him wasn't blonde, she was a brunette and an Asian woman. Not his type.

I would be interested to know the colour of his mother's and sisters' hair.

 

[Kemug]

High as a kite on becoming a killer.

Well yes - but can we be absolutely certain that he had never killed before?

 

[Ghostwheel]

At last check, she was arranging deck chairs.

 

[Kemug]

It’s a startling detail, IMO, because presumably he’d be anxious to flee the scene. His driving away like he was in the Indy 500 certainly seems indicative of that.

RSBM
Will car telematics show that?

 

[gremlin444]

I would be interested to know the colour of his mother's and sisters' hair.

From seeing them at Bryan's initial hearing in PA:

The one sister who acting in a small horror film appears to have naturally light brown hair that has what looks like dyed blonde highlights. The other sister had her hair fairly obviously bleached and colored an odd shade of blonde. Mom had her head covered with her huge coat hood with a thick faux fur edging, so I couldn't really see her hair but what little I could see appeared brownish.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I was just shocked by how fast he drove away. I know they said it was a high rate of speed, but I was not expecting what I saw.

His adrenaline would have been so ramped up and maybe he was using some sort of substance. I don't know why LE don't go down that route, maybe they feel it's unnecessary but there are people who perpetrate extraordinary feats of strength under the influence.

 

[Boxer]

Well yes - but can we be absolutely certain that he had never killed before?

True.

 

[Sachi]

I am embarrassed for this attorney. That she failed to make a rational argument is not novel in court, but that she was unable to even sugar coat it to sound somewhat intelligent was hysterical. Is it me or is her co-counsel smirking the entire time she attempts to convince a judge that her client’s dna on a likely murder weapon sheath found in the bed of two victims is just as insignificant as finding another man’s gum a few blocks away? Did she have a Deja vu moment that she was costarring in an Elle Woods sequel? I fully understand needing to fight for your client. But there is also the consideration of having some credibility. Perhaps she is taking notes from her client. Massguy, please cease sending the defense legal arguments…has your fingerprints all over it.

You, ty for this
"Is it me or is her co-counsel smirking the entire time she attempts to convince a judge that her client’s dna on a likely murder weapon sheath found in the bed of two victims is just as insignificant as finding another man’s gum a few blocks away?"

Hippler over and over and over....

"Any privacy interest he can claim in this DNA was abandoned along with the sheath, to which he claims no ownership or knowledge,"

“His DNA is still on the knife sheath, though,” Hippler told Taylor in court. “That's the problem, counsel.”

"isn't the DNA match probable cause to support all warrants after arrest - "isn't that probable cause every day and twice on Sunday?"
"I don't see how DNA on a sheath near a victim doesn't close the book on probable cause for everything after that"

"none of that diminishes probable cause re Mr Kohberger whose DNA was found on a knife sheath near a victim who was stabbed with said alleged knife (sheath) type"


and on and on....

 

[pittsburghgirl]

You could be right. IDK....

I have a slightly different view of why he rejected her advances....His 'searches' for specific fetishes---wanting images of 'sleeping' or 'passed out' women tells me that he wasn't looking for a regular wholesome romance.

He needs to dominate, totally control and overpower someone in order to feel 'romantic' about someone.

So his sweet, beautiful intelligent co-worker who actually liked him---he had no interest in that wholesome relationship. But he did like the idea of doing a few home invasions to frighten her to get himself psyched up.

I think it's also possible that if murder is his sexual thrill, he wouldn't pick a woman he could be linked to socially or professionally, for fear of getting caught. But he could creep her apartment...

 

[pseudo_hum]

He didn't do a doctoral dissertation. He was working on a research thesis for his online master's degree but ended up writing a narrative paper/thesis.

Yes, IMO, he solved the riddle himself. I mean, the holes he had in his master thesis. I am not sure how much feedback he received from his questionnaire? So, he needed to experience it himself.

 

[Gigiky]

His adrenaline would have been so ramped up and maybe he was using some sort of substance. I don't know why LE don't go down that route, maybe they feel it's unnecessary but there are people who perpetrate extraordinary feats of strength under the influence.

Excited delirium. Though no longer used and has been replaced with hyperactive delirium with severe agitation. It can manifest as unexpected strength and endurance without fatigue. JMO

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

As more comes out: I can agree with the Bry Boosters that each piece doesn't add up to proof of guilt, but  all these pieces absolutely add up to guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And while I know from my own life's experiences that what used to be termed Aspergers certainly  can lead to false assumptions about people, it does  not preclude that the person is also actually evil. The two things can both exist: Off-putting AND murderous. MOO.

Edited, too many "not's"

 

[ilovewings]

Well yes - but can we be absolutely certain that he had never killed before?

We cannot be absolutely certain of most things, and certainly anything pertaining to this case- but even if he killed before it has nothing to do with this trial- it would not be admissible- it would only be speculation at best.

 

[Kudzuu]

The episode is up on NBC's website now under Dateline.

Thanks!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*WOW!*
*HE IS A KILLER JUST FOR FUN, FUN, FUN, FUN*​

 

[Kudzuu]

Yup. Just sign up with an email address and you get 3 free credits which you can use to watch episodes. You can also sign in with your tv provider. I just tested it and it works.

Watch Dateline Episode: The Terrible Night on King Road - NBC.com

Watch The Terrible Night on King Road (Season 33, Episode 28) of Dateline or get episode details on NBC.com

www.nbc.com

Thanks MassGuy! I'm not much of a TV watcher.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Excited delirium. Though no longer used and has been replaced with hyperactive delirium with severe agitation. It can manifest as unexpected strength and endurance without fatigue. JMO

Delirium is a medical condition. The hallmark feature of any kind of delirium is lack of attention (think sleepiness) and disorientation (people who don't know where they are or may not even know their own name).

IMO, BK wasn't suffering from either.