4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

But I think back to so many people early on calling him an "expert" in criminology. Aside from the hot mess that we see in that paper just published, which writing-wise isn't as good as my freshmen students produce, this is either truly reckless, very stupid, or the hallmark of someone who can't connect action and consequence. I truly don't know what to think.

This. Thank you!! I hardly see that as "brilliant" and that type of assignment is something that certainly is not a special or advanced assignment. It's been a while since I hit the books as an undergrad, but I'd say that type of assignment was 200-level coursework like for a "Criminal Law and Procedure" class.

And, let's really boil it down here...BK spent a disastrous first semester, a mere four months, if that, alienating himself from his fellow students in his PhD cohort (and most likely his profs, especially the women), creating a number of students of his own that did not like or respect him as a TA--highly doubtful those students learned anything BK was supposed to be teaching them--was put on a Performance Plan, made maybe one friend who now suspects him of breaking into her apartment, possibly stealing some important things of hers and spying on her via her electronic security system, creeping out a female student, following her uninvited to her car and fighting with his supervising professor, once, if not twice, and publicly making fun of an Associate Professor for not speaking fluent English as it was not her first language, resulting in being fired and losing his tuition waiver, income and insurance. Lest not forget his peers started "The Bryan Tally" to track his obnoxious and misogynistic behaviors, rudely interrupting professors, "man-splaining" to women students and profs and skipping classes taught by female instructors. That's not academic brilliance, that's being a straight up a$$hole!

 

[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

Does Bry Bry have on a BP vest under his shirt? He looks hecka uncomfortable there.

Kind of ironic isn't it, since a bullet could very well be the final five-cent solution to deal with Bry Baby as decided by 12 good Idahoans.

 

[gremlin444]

Hmm....in light of the Dateline episode, I went back to the State's detailed list of records they intend to use at trial and how they are authenticating them. Specifically, I wondered about the 1112 security camera footage.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+MIL+RE+Self+Authentication+of+Records.pdf

I have reread this document a few times...and they only residence based security camera footage that I see listed is from 1320 and 1330 Linda Lane (they are both maintained by the same property management company).

I don't see 1112 King footage listed at all, despite descriptions of that what was on that camera being in the document that explained the path the car took from camera to camera.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...ants-MiL-12-RE-Make-Model-Suspect-Vehicle.pdf pgs 30-43

It does say in that document that the 1112 video was not used to identify the model/year of the car because the headlight flare obscured it too much. But you would think that one would be important in court for showing more exact time stamp of when the car made its final approach and does its Uturn, and then again when it roared back out of site at 4:20.

(By the way, for the person asking if the footage from the various security cameras was accurate/comparable to the Tiktok records, pg 28 shows if time on cameras a was accurate or not--1112's was accurate to local time.)

Am I missing it?

edited to add: Maybe that camera had been put in by the students renting it, so there is no process by which to officially authenticate--but does that mean they can or can't use it? The 1320 and 1330 were apartment complexes and the cameras were property of the management co--maybe that's the difference.

 

[Sundog]

I've often wondered if the "someone else did it" defense claim could be related to the graduate research survey that BK posted on Reddit during his final semester at DeSales. Although the responses to the survey questions were supposed to be directed to DeSales University research faculty, it's possible that some respondent(s) replied directly to BK instead through his Reddit account. Could this be related to BK's asking, upon his arrest in Pennsyvania, if anyone else was arrested besides him? Of course this is a catch-22 situation, because if BK had struck up a relationship with a killer online then this doesn't absolve him of the murder, just gives him an accomplice, or makes him an accomplice. Just something that I've sometimes thought about.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I didn’t see any evidence of ring cameras in the three sets of body cam footage taken of the house. Granted, all three were recorded early in the semester, before August 3, but IMO we don’t need ring cameras to make sense of the evidence so far revealed to us.

Correction: before September 3.

Dates: August 16 (Kaylee), September 1 (Maddie—on phone), September 2 (Xana)

 

[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

Naming Smearing a person as a suspect in front of a judge in an open courtroom with absolutely no proof should be illegal.

I doubt AT will lose sleep over this, given she essentially has thrown the entire Aspergers community (and beyond) under the bus to essentially explain away her client's alleged behaviors and crimes. Still makes my blood boil.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Would the State ever be allowed to display a similar knife? A replica? I can see that being important for SCALE, but it's not evidence unless BK purchased it, used it, replaced it, right?

That'll be something if LE found where he stashed it.

JMO

BK might have thought if the knife was in PA, he could safely keep it. He's done other things that baffle me but it would have been hard for him to throw it away, as it is a symbolic extension of his most favorite body part. It's a farfetched idea but it would be something if the prosecution actually had a Ka-Bar that was in his possession.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

That paper leads me to believe that he went directly to Maddie's bedroom because she was his (first?) target for sexual gratification and violence. That is, the paper explains how Bundy minimized torture, rape, murder by blaming society for both objectifying women (marketing) and availability of .

Did the suspect plan to do the same to all the women in the house, even though it was already 4 a.m.? Maybe, maybe not. We know that he targeted Maddie, beyond that, we don't know. Did he plan to assault and murder her in her bedroom? I'm not convinced. I believe he had a meticulous plan and it did not involve being in the house an hour later when the he could not predict who would be awake or moving around. If this was his first murder, he wanted time, safety, privacy. Maybe not - maybe he planned a frenzied, chaotic murder scene where all that was required for failure was one person to wake up.

I'm not sure why we assume he "targeted" Maddie, rather than chosing her room as the place to start if he intended to kill multiple women. As I've said elsewhere, his fantasy social media photo stalking shows a range of attractive women. He may or may not have a "type." And if Maddie was a particular focus, we don't know what she means. I contribute to a forum for people starting over after infidelity, and the victims always project their own decency and humanity on spouses who do things like abandon their kids. What I've learned is the very human urge to impute typical and predictable motives onto disordered, abusive people. LE may have evidence that Maddie was "targeted" but for me, it has to be more than that's where he started. I want to see EVIDENCE that Maddie has meaning beyond being beautiful and living in a house he came to obsess over.

And I don't see why he would do a home invasion of a placed crammed to the gills with people, half of them who were still awake and moving around when he was in this house, if you count XK and the two surviving roommates, just to murder one person. I still think it was BK's version of Bundy's sorority house murders but like everyone else, I'm applying some logic to what he did, to my detriment.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Hmm....in light of the Dateline episode, I went back to the State's detailed list of records they intend to use at trial and how they are authenticating them. Specifically, I wondered about the 1112 security camera footage.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+MIL+RE+Self+Authentication+of+Records.pdf

I have reread this document a few times...and they only residence based security camera footage that I see listed is from 1320 and 1330 Linda Lane (they are both maintained by the same property management company).

I don't see 1112 King footage listed at all, despite descriptions of that what was on that camera being in the document that explained the path the car took from camera to camera.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...ants-MiL-12-RE-Make-Model-Suspect-Vehicle.pdf pgs 30-43

It does say in that document that the 1112 video was not used to identify the model/year of the car because the headlight flare obscured it too much. But you would think that one would be important in court for showing more exact time stamp of when the car made its final approach and does its Uturn, and then again when it roared back out of site at 4:20.

(By the way, for the person asking if the footage from the various security cameras was accurate/comparable to the Tiktok records, pg 28 shows if time on cameras a was accurate or not--1112's was accurate to local time.)

Am I missing it?

edited to add: Maybe that camera had been put in by the students renting it, so there is no process by which to officially authenticate--but does that mean they can or can't use it? The 1320 and 1330 were apartment complexes and the cameras were property of the management co--maybe that's the difference.

The first doc does state
It is understood that admission would be contingent upon the State laying a proper foundation with a Certificate/Affidavit under I.R.E. 803(6) or (8) STATE’S REPLY TO DEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO MOTION IN LIMINE RE: SELF-AUTHENTICATION OF RECORDS IN RELIANCE ON I.R.E. 803(6) AND (8), I.R.E. 902(4) AND (11) AND/OR I.R.E. 803(24)

From that I take it that the response has some specific items listed that were specifically in response to the Defendant’s Objection to State’s Motion in Limine Re: Self-Authentication of Records, but that other self authentication records can also be used if the state lays a proper foundation for it. JMO.

ETA: I'd have to go look up the original State’s Motion in Limine Re: Self-Authentication of Records that defense objected to to see what all was in the original. I haven't gotten there yet.

EATA: I just looked up the redacted STATE'S MOTION IN LIMINE RE: SELF-AUTHENTICATION OF RECORDS IN RELIANCE ON LR_E. 803(6) AND (8), LR.E. 902(4) AND (11) AND/OR LR.E. 803(24) and the 1112 footage is not specifically listed in the original doc, so maybe it won't be "self-authenticated". Maybe it won't be used at all or maybe someone will testify along with it. As a thought.

 

[INfisherman]

Kind of ironic isn't it, since a bullet could very well be the final five-cent solution to deal with Bry Baby as decided by 12 good Idahoans.

Even more ironic given the number of bullets in his CJ 361 Crime Scene Scenario final.

 

[otto]

I'm not sure why we assume he "targeted" Maddie, rather than chosing her room as the place to start if he intended to kill multiple women. As I've said elsewhere, his fantasy social media photo stalking shows a range of attractive women. He may or may not have a "type." And if Maddie was a particular focus, we don't know what she means. I contribute to a forum for people starting over after infidelity, and the victims always project their own decency and humanity on spouses who do things like abandon their kids. What I've learned is the very human urge to impute typical and predictable motives onto disordered, abusive people. LE may have evidence that Maddie was "targeted" but for me, it has to be more than that's where he started. I want to see EVIDENCE that Maddie has meaning beyond being beautiful and living in a house he came to obsess over.

And I don't see why he would do a home invasion of a placed crammed to the gills with people, half of them who were still awake and moving around when he was in this house, if you count XK and the two surviving roommates, just to murder one person. I still think it was BK's version of Bundy's sorority house murders but like everyone else, I'm applying some logic to what he did, to my detriment.

Perhaps you're right. I bought into the idea that he must be clever since he was a PhD student. After reading his paper, he strikes me as an arrogant, disorganized thinker. It's not that he lacks logic, but he's out of sequence.

In terms of planning a murder, you might be right that his first thought was to murder several women in one house, but beforehand he had to turn off his phone as he drove to the house. Beforehand he had to figure out where to park. I'm not convinced he thought about what would happen if someone was awake, or heard him. After the murders, he tried to forensically wipe his hard drive. It didn't occur to him that he should wipe the drive before the murders because he might get caught during the murders. He has too many afterthoughts.

On the very first page of his paper, he states his theory of transfer: every criminal leaves something at the crime scene and takes something away. He failed his first point and left the sheath behind. He forgot everything he learned within minutes of entering the house.

the paper, pg 34

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Perhaps you're right. I bought into the idea that he must be clever since he was a PhD student. After reading his paper, he strikes me as an arrogant, disorganized thinker. It's not that he lacks logic, but he's out of sequence.

In terms of planning a murder, you might be right that his first thought was to murder several women in one house, but beforehand he had to turn off his phone as he drove to the house. Beforehand he had to figure out where to park. I'm not convinced he thought about what would happen if someone was awake, or heard him. After the murders, he tried to forensically wipe his hard drive. It didn't occur to him that he should wipe the drive before the murders because he might get caught during the murders. He has too many afterthoughts.

On the very first page of his paper, he states his theory of transfer: every criminal leaves something at the crime scene and takes something away. He failed his first point and left the sheath behind. He forgot everything he learned within minutes of entering the house.

the paper, pg 34

I have a big advantage over most people evaluating BK's intelligence because I teach college kids. Even with the best of them at the end of their undergraduate years, they are hardly experts in a field. And while I think there are good online master's degrees, I know firsthand the difference between finishing an MA or MS, even in person at a top university, and finishing a doctoral program. I was PhD student and I've taught PhD students. They too are not experts in any field--yet. PhD students are often good at doing school. It doesn't mean that they are great critical thinkers. Many of them finish the coursework but can't conceive a dissertation project and end up "ABD," all but dissertation. (I took me forever, it seemed!). It seems likely to me that BK has already decided his real project. The failures he experienced so swiftly in the doctoral program (actually face-to-face with other people) may have brought that project to the top of his list.

 

[Megnut]

The University of Idaho Murders: The May 15, 2025 Hearing

We talk about the latest hearing and filings in University of Idaho murders case. Bryan Kohberger stands accused of murdering Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin,...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

[Rumination1]

The first doc does state
It is understood that admission would be contingent upon the State laying a proper foundation with a Certificate/Affidavit under I.R.E. 803(6) or (8) STATE’S REPLY TO DEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO MOTION IN LIMINE RE: SELF-AUTHENTICATION OF RECORDS IN RELIANCE ON I.R.E. 803(6) AND (8), I.R.E. 902(4) AND (11) AND/OR I.R.E. 803(24)

From that I take it that the response has some specific items listed that were specifically in response to the Defendant’s Objection to State’s Motion in Limine Re: Self-Authentication of Records, but that other self authentication records can also be used if the state lays a proper foundation for it. JMO.

ETA: I'd have to go look up the original State’s Motion in Limine Re: Self-Authentication of Records that defense objected to to see what all was in the original. I haven't gotten there yet.

EATA: I just looked up the redacted STATE'S MOTION IN LIMINE RE: SELF-AUTHENTICATION OF RECORDS IN RELIANCE ON LR_E. 803(6) AND (8), LR.E. 902(4) AND (11) AND/OR LR.E. 803(24) and the 1112 footage is not specifically listed in the original doc, so maybe it won't be "self-authenticated". Maybe it won't be used at all or maybe someone will testify along with it. As a thought.

Sorry , I need to catch up but what does this mean?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

BBM

My own experience is that most autistics can discern right from wrong and in fact are often stickers for rules, with a heightened need for justice.

A problem arises when the autistics rules don’t match society’s.

One theory of autism is that autistics don’t naturally, automatically sync with others around them.

This often makes them non-conformists. For example, autistics might keep unconventional hours (days and nights switched) if they don’t automatically sync with others’ signs of wakefulness or tiredness.

In small, traditional communities, this can be dangerous. Humans need to depend on another to survive. Yet even traditional communities provide for people who are “weird.” Think of a shaman, for example.

In large modern societies such as ours, autistics are given much more free rein. Until they suddenly fear having to register for a national data base, that is.

I think BK is autistic and I have always thought BK was autistic. I remember thinking—oh great, another autistic person goes off the deep end, making everyone look bad.

The Sandy Hook Shooter, the Parklamd Shooter, now BK.

The problem isn’t autism, though. Obviously, almost all autistic people are not killers. As @BeginnerSleuther

I am on the spectrum and agree with these points and also do think it's highly probable BK is high on the ASD spectrum, he also has other issues IMO such as combined with high narcissism or even NPD.

It's possible a sense of unfairness and a rage / frustration at the world means he became an 'incel' certainly along the lines of Elliot Rodger, making certain types of people his focal point for hatred (young women? who have it so easy, he thinks?). Plus maybe he was obsessed with his subject matter (serial killers) and went down that rabbit hole where it became an immersive life, he lost contact with reality, combine that with low or zero empathy (not a trait of autism but a trait of lack of extreme narcissism or antisocial personality) and he could have felt that his killing was his 'mission' playing out, what was meant for his life.

I'm curious to know when and why BK became strictly vegan and whether this was for spiritual reasons or other reasons and how he managed in the fish filleting job and how he could deal with stabbing people if he's averse to flesh or harming creatures.

JMO MOO

 

[jepop]

But we knew about that a long time ago. Or at least those of us who watch Gray Hughes knew about this.

Dateline also leaked the Ka-bar purchase on their previous episode, and the Judge H allowed it as evidence. I’m hopeful most of the leaked evidence stays.

RBBM
Imo, the concern is more about any leaked stuff that will likely not be part of evidence, and there was some stuff revealed in the recent dateline episode ( one eg. Imo, the post crime hoodie selfies taken in PA) that falls into that category. I think this is where a violation of the non D order results or has the potential to result in a further tainting of the jury pool. It's clear Hippler is taking this seriously. I think this a good thing and further proves his impartiality. Jmo

Ebm for clarity

 

[jepop]

Oh I agree but the defense is desperate this late in the stage and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if her crew haven't been looking on social media for tips on this "alternate suspect"

It's disrespectful and a waste of time and resources. Like I'm all for a damn good defense team and them doing their best, but regardless of who she pulls out the hat, the finger is gonna be pointed at an innocent person and the guilty skeletor is sat beside her pretending he's feeble.

Ugh, I hate it.

Yes, hard to guess what the defense is doing behind the scenes to find a potential TODDI!

But my understanding is Judge Hippler, in accordance with legal statute, is not going to allow allegations into trial re TODDI ( as opposed to generic insinuations re SODDI) without a nexus. As of this moment the defense apparently made a proffer but provided neither a name or any evidence, IOWs the proffer was entirely insufficient. Moo

My take away from the hearing is the defense has until May 23rd to actually do it like it's meant to be done, prosecution has until June 6th ( IIRC ) to respond, and a hearing is currently set for the afternoon of June 18th to hear arguments.

Imo, Hippler could potentially cancel that hearing in the event that the defense again doesn't meet their minimal burden by May 23rd. We see how efficient he is and he's not going to waste more time over this. Seems he is being extra fair to the defense in extending out their deadline to May 23rd. Jmo

 

[katydid23]

My husband, mother, stepmother, MIL, FIL, SIL, BIL, etc would have NO IDEA who Bryan Kohberger is. Or any of the other cases we follow here.

Same here. My husband , my grown kids, my in-laws, my closest friends---none of them know who Bryan Kohberger is.

I have told my daughter about the Moscow murders because I do try to keep her aware of the dangers surrounding her and her friends, etc. But she didn't watch Dateline.

 

[Simply Southern]

Has this already been posted?

Kohberger trial thrown into jeopardy as judge cites major violation

The 30-year-old is scheduled to stand trial in August accused of the quadruple homicide of four University of Idaho students back in November 2022.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Brian Kohberger trial has been thrown into disarray as the judge reveals someone with intimate knowledge of the case has leaked sensitive details to the press.

The breach could make it harder to find impartial jurors for Kohberger's August trial over the alleged quadruple homicide of four University of Idaho students back in November 2022.

Judge Steven Hippler has ordered a new investigation as he seeks to discover the source behind the devastating leak.

 

[jepop]

Has this already been posted?

Kohberger trial thrown into jeopardy as judge cites major violation

The 30-year-old is scheduled to stand trial in August accused of the quadruple homicide of four University of Idaho students back in November 2022.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Brian Kohberger trial has been thrown into disarray as the judge reveals someone with intimate knowledge of the case has leaked sensitive details to the press.

The breach could make it harder to find impartial jurors for Kohberger's August trial over the alleged quadruple homicide of four University of Idaho students back in November 2022.

Judge Steven Hippler has ordered a new investigation as he seeks to discover the source behind the devastating leak.

He ordered an investigation into the potential source of any leak, not a new investigation ( of the case) just to be clear. Moo

IMO. This is typical Daily Mail headline grabbing and click seeking. We can see from the hearing that the proposed investigation has actually thrown nothing into disarray, in terms of the trial schedule. It's clear to me the trial will proceed in tandem with any investigation into leaks.

If there is a leaker this should shut them down in the meantime and hopefully result in less potentially jury tainting media coverage in the next few months. Jmo