4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[PunishThenForgive]

Haha, I minored in math. Now 50 years later, I watch youtube videos on advanced subjects in math and just realize how totally inadequate I am at it. LOL

Ah, you’re a smart guy, @Justice101! I bet it would come right back if you reviewed the basics. I highly recommend the free website, Khan Academy, which explains all subjects in math, including probability and statistics, in a really intuitive way.

As I’m sure you know, probability and statistics is indispensable in LE, criminology, criminal justice, as well as forensic psychology, anthropology, and pathology.

A basic grasp of probability and statistics can even help true crime nerds like us to understand and, more importantly, evaluate the validity of claims made in court documents, media, and even here on Websleuths. It’s VERY easy to lie with statistics, after all.

Source: Khan Academy

 

[Balthazar]

The press, in this case Dateline, does not have the disclose its source. In Idaho they have a "shield" law that protects the press as well.

I agree. Sometimes the media will reveal their source but not always.

 

[otto]

I agree. Sometimes the media will reveal their source but not always.

If Dateline info could derail a trial and potentially compromise the rights of the deceased, wouldn't it be best for the program to reveal sources? As a program that wants credibility, there should be no reason to hide sources - unless the information is obtained illegally, in which case the program should lose credibility.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

If Dateline info could derail a trial and potentially compromise the rights of the deceased, wouldn't it be best for the program to reveal sources? As a program that wants credibility, there should be no reason to hide sources - unless the information is obtained illegally, in which case the program should lose credibility.

Revealing sources is a great way to insure you'll never get another scoop about anything. Anonymous sources exist because the leakers will likely get fired or in some cases, be jailed for leaking information to the press. No one is going to risk that to leak sensitive information unless they can trust the media organization not to reveal their identity.

MOO.

 

[otto]

Revealing sources is a great way to insure you'll never get another scoop about anything. Anonymous sources exist because the leakers will likely get fired or in some cases, be jailed for leaking information to the press. No one is going to risk that to leak sensitive information unless they can trust the media organization not to reveal their identity.

MOO.

The best I can come up with is that Kohberger's cell data was shared with Dateline. That shouldn't be too hard to track down. Limited people had access.

Everything else was known or easily available.

 

[Balthazar]

What information was leaked that was not already in the public domain? Video of the car on the night of the murders may have been obtained by media at the time of the murders. The theory about what Kohberger did when he entered the house was already public information, and it's still nothing but a theory. What people said at the time of the murders, text messages, where bodies were found was all published in affidavits.

Does anyone remember any new information that they learned from Dateline that they did not know beforehand? Searching Bundy? Interesting, but irrelevant.

Info that Kohberger went from the DJ pool party to surveil the victims? That could be put together with cell data. Is cell phone data and screenshots of other women new info? Cell phone data? Is that the info that was not publicly known? What about Kohberger's family - did they have access to that info?

1. video of the car
2. Ted Bundy searches
3. searches with the words drugged, passed out, sleeping
4. That his phone connected 23 times to the same cell tower 1122 used
5. Collection of pictures of various women attending UofI and WSU.

Judge orders probe in information leak on NBC 'Dateline' episode about Bryan Kohberger

An Ada County judge has ordered a probe into leaked information to media about the ongoing murder case of four University of Idaho students.

www.spokesman.com

Now try to imagine this case without any of the above information and who the source or sources of this information may be who will not be allowed to testify. IMO the loss of 1 and 4 would be devastating to the prosecution case. I agree 2 and 3 and 5 are fairly unimportant.

1-5 are all new information for those of us who have been following the case in detail.

 

[gremlin444]

Wonder how much of their information came from...

1. video of the car
2. Ted Bundy searches
3. searches with the words drugged, passed out, sleeping
4. That his phone connected 23 times to the same cell tower 1122 used
5. Collection of pictures of various women attending UofI and WSU.

Judge orders probe in information leak on NBC 'Dateline' episode about Bryan Kohberger

An Ada County judge has ordered a probe into leaked information to media about the ongoing murder case of four University of Idaho students.

www.spokesman.com

Now try to imagine this case without any of the above information and who the source or sources of this information may be who will not be allowed to testify. IMO the loss of 1 and 4 would be devastating to the prosecution case. I agree 2 and 3 and 5 are fairly unimportant.

1-5 are all new information for those of us who have been following the case in detail.

#4--we knew from the PCA that prior to November 13th his phone connected that tower "at least twelve times." So, partially new...more like expanded info.

 

[SteveP]

If Dateline info could derail a trial and potentially compromise the rights of the deceased, wouldn't it be best for the program to reveal sources? As a program that wants credibility, there should be no reason to hide sources - unless the information is obtained illegally, in which case the program should lose credibility.

Respectfully, Dateline has been on the air for over 30 years, and is one of the most credible newsmagazine genre programs on American TV. I do not believe that they would stoop to the level of obtaining any of their information illegally, nor do I believe that choosing not to reveal sources of their information would hurt their reputation with viewers in any way. JMO

 

[Balthazar]

Wonder how much of their information came from...


#4--we knew from the PCA that prior to November 13th his phone connected that tower "at least twelve times." So, partially new...more like expanded info.

I agree we knew about 12 times. 23 is new as you say.

 

[Balthazar]

Keith Morrison interview about the Dateline show

KM says they have lots of sources but BKs attorney is not speaking yet about 40 seconds in. He goes on to say they have a lot of the material the prosecution will rely on in the trial. And he says it might not be all of it but it is most of it. IMO, if what KM said is true, then the Dateline leak may be far, far, worse than any of us can imagine.

The source or sources of this leak must be found.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I agree we knew about 12 times. 23 is new as you say.

No, we've known about 23 times since Sy Ray’s affidavit.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032625+Defendants+Notice+of+Filing+Affidavit+iso+MIL+2+RE+Vague+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

 

[pittsburghgirl]

What information was leaked that was not already in the public domain? Video of the car on the night of the murders may have been obtained by media at the time of the murders. The theory about what Kohberger did when he entered the house was already public information, and it's still nothing but a theory. What people said at the time of the murders, text messages, where bodies were found was all published in affidavits.

Does anyone remember any new information that they learned from Dateline that they did not know beforehand? Searching Bundy? Interesting, but irrelevant.

Info that Kohberger went from the DJ pool party to surveil the victims? That could be put together with cell data. Is cell phone data and screenshots of other women new info? Cell phone data? Is that the info that was not publicly known? What about Kohberger's family - did they have access to that info?

As I said, having read the Appelman book after seeing Dateline, I wondered if Dateline used THAT as a source. He knew, for example, that a grad school colleague had someone creep her apartment and that LE wondered if it was BK. He didn't have the info about blood on the chair but we don't know who left that seat print or how it got there, anyway.

 

[otto]

1. video of the car
2. Ted Bundy searches
3. searches with the words drugged, passed out, sleeping
4. That his phone connected 23 times to the same cell tower 1122 used
5. Collection of pictures of various women attending UofI and WSU.

Judge orders probe in information leak on NBC 'Dateline' episode about Bryan Kohberger

An Ada County judge has ordered a probe into leaked information to media about the ongoing murder case of four University of Idaho students.

www.spokesman.com

Now try to imagine this case without any of the above information and who the source or sources of this information may be who will not be allowed to testify. IMO the loss of 1 and 4 would be devastating to the prosecution case. I agree 2 and 3 and 5 are fairly unimportant.

1-5 are all new information for those of us who have been following the case in detail.

Add to that the Amazon sheath info. Was that captured by Amazon, or Kohberger's digital devices?

It sounds like the breach was based on his digital devices, other than the extra footage of the car on the night of the murder. The owners of that camera may have shared footage at the time of the murders.

Digital devices were probably backed up by Kohberger prior to arrest, so he is one sources that cannot be eliminated.

 

[gremlin444]

Add to that the Amazon sheath info. Was that captured by Amazon, or Kohberger's digital devices?

It sounds like the breach was based on his digital devices, other than the extra footage of the car on the night of the murder. The owners of that camera may have shared footage at the time of the murders.

Digital devices were probably backed up by Kohberger prior to arrest, so he is one sources that cannot be eliminated.

Amazon sheath came from court filings in the last few months.

 

[gremlin444]

I think people are likely overlooking the intermediary source of a lot of the leaked info. For heaven's sake, he's even in the episode. And already wrote a book talking about info from his confidential sources.

Odd, we didn't hear the defense having any issues when his book came out.

Given things that SG has said in various youtube podcasts/videos, I'm willing to bet a portion came from his as well.

 

[SteveP]

Add to that the Amazon sheath info. Was that captured by Amazon, or Kohberger's digital devices?

It sounds like the breach was based on his digital devices, other than the extra footage of the car on the night of the murder. The owners of that camera may have shared footage at the time of the murders.

Digital devices were probably backed up by Kohberger prior to arrest, so he is one sources that cannot be eliminated.

I just went back and watched the segment of the Dateline special with the video of the car approaching the King Rd residence. Keith Morrison said "...at 3:30am, security video from a neighboring house, obtained exclusively by Dateline..."

I understand that statement can be interpreted more than one way, but it seems to imply that Dateline obtained it from the owner of the house where the cam was located. JMO

 

[otto]

I just went back and watched the segment of the Dateline special with the video of the car approaching the King Rd residence. Keith Morrison said "...at 3:30am, security video from a neighboring house, obtained exclusively by Dateline..."

I understand that statement can be interpreted more than one way, but it seems to imply that Dateline obtained it from the owner of the house where the cam was located. JMO

Thanks! If the new info is just screenshots of women and searches of knocked out women (Bundy), that's not enough to derail the trial.

 

[otto]

I'm curious whether the Judge watched the Dateline program before deciding that he had to get to the bottom of the leak.

 

[Teche]

Ah, you’re a smart guy, @Justice101! I bet it would come right back if you reviewed the basics. I highly recommend the free website, Khan Academy, which explains all subjects in math, including probability and statistics, in a really intuitive way.

As I’m sure you know, probability and statistics is indispensable in LE, criminology, criminal justice, as well as forensic psychology, anthropology, and pathology.

A basic grasp of probability and statistics can even help true crime nerds like us to understand and, more importantly, evaluate the validity of claims made in court documents, media, and even here on Websleuths. It’s VERY easy to lie with statistics, after all.

Source: Khan Academy

I’m going to share the Khan Academy with the3 math geeks in my family-my husband, son and grandson.

 

[MassGuy]

Add to that the Amazon sheath info. Was that captured by Amazon, or Kohberger's digital devices?

It sounds like the breach was based on his digital devices, other than the extra footage of the car on the night of the murder. The owners of that camera may have shared footage at the time of the murders.

Digital devices were probably backed up by Kohberger prior to arrest, so he is one sources that cannot be eliminated.

Dateline briefly flashed the Amazon click history - records that came from Amazon itself via subpoena.

Then we have his search terms, selfies, and saved instagram images. I've got to believe this stuff came from someone with access to discovery. I think the best possible scenario is that the leaker is a court clerk or something, and not someone affiliated with the prosecution (some former investigator or something).