4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[Megnut]

800th listen, the THUD is a bum-bum-bum. I still don't know WHAT it is, but to me, it's three sounds, in rapid succession.

JMO

 

[Sachi]

"Carve" is such a loaded word. If it's true, that is so intentional. It's not cutting, slashing, slicing. Carving. It rather implies a victim who isn't thrashing... it's measured.

And I just can't shake the move his sister was in. With carving, featured in every single murder.

What are the odds of that? That there'd be a suspect in a murder where a victim had carved injuries on top of a fatal one who happened to have a connection to a movie with the same. Does it prove he's guilty? No. Does it mean that's where he got the idea? No. But it's a curious parallel, especially when considered in light of the other parallels. Sleeping campers, re-appearing items....

I don't want to put more emphasis on a D movie than it warrants but it is one that makes me go hmmmmmm.

JMO

It is a loaded word, carved, need for-thought of intention and concentration to carry out which implies a lack of frenzy at this point, no? Is that why he sat in the chair and took a moment before or after he did this?

And, too dang coincidental indeed, he didn’t pull any idea out of thin air, instead from that film and birthed this from his mangled mind.

He never thought he would get caught for this crime and could never have anticipated that anyone would even make a connection between his killing and that bad little horror film his sister had a moment in.

Thank you most of all to DNA at the scene, under Maddie’s body on the snap of the sheath.

Moo

 

[seasideForest]

Thanks for the summary of the film. I for one cannot imagine watching it. I'd get anxiety attacks if not full-blown panic.

The murderer emerges, offers to help them.

Is it possible that in BK's mind, he had to say this at some point as a re-enactment/copy of the film? So the actual timing of the statement wasn't so important? Didn't have to be at a logical point in the proceedings? Just my wondering - not even an opinion really, just putting it out there as a possibility.

 

[Megnut]

I don't think this but, in the movie, the murderer eliminates everyone, saving the one girl who he intends to keep...

I believe MM was the target on 11/13 and the other victims lost their lives because they were there... but it's an interesting twist, that he could have been eliminating witnesses because of a fascination with whomever he left alive...

And his motive was just beginning...

JMO

 

[seasideForest]

It is a loaded word, carved, need for-thought of intention and concentration to carry out which implies a lack of frenzy at this point, no? Is that why he sat in the chair and took a moment before or after he did this?

Good thought - needing intention and concentration and not being in a frenzy, slashing around. Might well have needed to sit down and take a moment.

I also think of carved wood - carving can be artistic. A horrible connotation here but might have been part of BK's plan in his warped mind.

Also might have needed a moment to sit down and tick his mental boxes - 'help' sentence uttered, still need to do carving. Ugh. Ghastly. Just awful to think into any possible steps during this crime. I sincerely hope Ethan was dead by the time the carving was done.

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

Two Nights Back

Spoiler alert -- I'll summarize.

Premise: a little girl gets lost in the woods, briefly, but while lost, sees a little boy.

Flash forward many years.

A group of activist teens head into the woods, including that girl.

Several times, while they're asleep, an unseen figure hoovers over them, just watching them.

One camper, played by BK's sister breaks camp. As she's leaving, she gets spooked, runs, trips, breaks her glasses. She escapes.

Those glasses reappear in camp, outside her tent.

One by one, campers are murdered, strangled, chests are carved with a design that is actually initials.

A camper is missing, they find him in a ravine, but can't get to him. The murderer emerges, offers to help them. They mostly decline his help and manage to get to the fallen camper, he's dead, murdered, carved.

Down to three campers, two young men and the girl who was once lost as a little girl.

One of the boys gets his leg caught in a bear trap near a cabin, the girl goes inside to look for, I guess, a bandage. Inside she discovers drawings of a little boy and his mom.... and on another wall, a framed article about herself, about when she was lost, but she doesn't find that until later.

Murderer shows back up, she first leans into him, thinking he's a source of protection... but of course he's not. Oh, did I mention, he's kept his dead mother in the cabin... and later the girl wakes up, alone in the cabin, in his mother's dress?

That's my loose recap. It has elements of every psychological thriller ever made, including requisite steals from Psycho, the only thing missing is a shower scene, but the big knife is front and center, that's for sure.

Comparing it to the real life horror at 1122, some things jump out at me.

Sleeping campers and the watching
The big knife
The carving
The murderer showing up "to help"
The glasses reappearing
Multiple murders but one obsession

Even before I ever watched this film, I long thought BK practiced stealth in his own home, feeling powerful watching family members sleep. How much awareness of it they'd have, I don't know. But now I wonder if he didn't purposefully try to spook his sister, the one who played a part in the movie. Taking her things. Putting them back. Messing with her. Because he could.

If he is the person who broke into his colleague's apartment and rearranged her things, I doubt he just suddenly got that idea.
I don't even know that it would have been his first and only time doing it in her apartment. Maybe it was just the first time she noticed.

You tell me. What would be more unnerving -- to be burglarized OR, having been burglarized, to discover those items back where you left them?

Holy creepy to find things arranged in a way you know you didn't leave them, or, like the key, right back where it was missing from.

In the movie, the murderer watches the campers sleep, his knife, sheathed, prominent by day at his belt. Such an invasion, a violation, yet the campers are entirely unaware.

Was 11/13 the first time BK entered 1122?

Or had he been inside before, undetected? Watching people sleep? Taking personal items? Returning them? Rearranging things?
Is it likely? Probably not. But possible? Maybe. 23 visits, some without his phone. Plus there's precedence. Or, I should say, there might be precedence, since we don't know for sure.

I think it's safe to say -- and scary as hell -- that, while life seemed safe and secure for MM, KG, EC and XK, this crime didn't happen out of nowhere. BK was planning and plotting and surveilling for months. It was building. From the time of his Amazon purchase, from the time he moved to Pullman, from the time he first drove near 1122 King Road, they were never safe.

He was already lurking in the shadows.

JMO

Good synopsis. I had always thought that BK had recently been in the house to mess with them. KG and MK found something really off and started the frantic calls to JD. Freaked out, they were reacting even before he got there so that when he did they had just maybe started to drift off and relax. Surprise attack after fearful event, possibly even with surveillance camera or something to see the reaction. JMOO

It reminds me of a young boy not very developed torturing bugs, animals, whatever in the woods. Just the energy of curiosity of a different "species". Girls.

I am remembering the word deranged. Disorganized arrangement of thoughts, linking things together that do.not follow natural patterns, or disorderly arrangement of brain synapses.

Think of how someone gets to continually indulge this type of thinking. Years and years of focusing (spending lots of time alone) on things not related or connecting circumstances you cannot make sense of at the time. Perhaps you do not fit in with others at school, on the playground, awkwardly unable to be social. Focusing on mothers behavior and not understanding it. Preoccupation with these kind of thoughts and you get a very Norman Bates type of character. JMOO

 

[seasideForest]

Do we think Ethan was awake?

I sincerely hope not, but idk if him (and Maddie for that matter) waking up during the assault and feeling the pain and terror for a brief moment can be ruled out based on what we know so far. MOO

And RIP to both of them, at least it's over now, but even a few seconds of pain and terror can be excruciating and seem interminably long.

I remember SG did say in one of his interviews that BK may have swiped a garment to wrap the knife on the way out , perhaps that was a towel from bathroom ,as Megnut said.

Maybe it was an actual garment (piece of clothing) rather than a towel? Maybe a shirt or a hoodie or something, which could explain one of the two surviving roommates knowing that it's missing.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

I sincerely hope not, but idk if him (and Maddie for that matter) waking up during the assault and feeling the pain and terror for a brief moment can be ruled out based on what we know so far. MOO

And RIP to both of them, at least it's over now, but even a few seconds of pain and terror can be excruciating and seem interminably long.

Maybe it was an actual garment (piece of clothing) rather than a towel? Maybe a shirt or a hoodie or something, which could explain one of the two surviving roommates knowing that it's missing.

MOO

Agree. A black hoodie for example wrapped around the blade would be harder to discern what exactly was bring seen.

 

[Cool Cats]

Two Nights Back

Spoiler alert -- I'll summarize.

Premise: a little girl gets lost in the woods, briefly, but while lost, sees a little boy.

Flash forward many years.

A group of activist teens head into the woods, including that girl.

Several times, while they're asleep, an unseen figure hoovers over them, just watching them.

One camper, played by BK's sister breaks camp. As she's leaving, she gets spooked, runs, trips, breaks her glasses. She escapes.

Those glasses reappear in camp, outside her tent.

One by one, campers are murdered, strangled, chests are carved with a design that is actually initials.

A camper is missing, they find him in a ravine, but can't get to him. The murderer emerges, offers to help them. They mostly decline his help and manage to get to the fallen camper, he's dead, murdered, carved.

Down to three campers, two young men and the girl who was once lost as a little girl.

One of the boys gets his leg caught in a bear trap near a cabin, the girl goes inside to look for, I guess, a bandage. Inside she discovers drawings of a little boy and his mom.... and on another wall, a framed article about herself, about when she was lost, but she doesn't find that until later.

Murderer shows back up, she first leans into him, thinking he's a source of protection... but of course he's not. Oh, did I mention, he's kept his dead mother in the cabin... and later the girl wakes up, alone in the cabin, in his mother's dress?

That's my loose recap. It has elements of every psychological thriller ever made, including requisite steals from Psycho, the only thing missing is a shower scene, but the big knife is front and center, that's for sure.

Comparing it to the real life horror at 1122, some things jump out at me.

Sleeping campers and the watching
The big knife
The carving
The murderer showing up "to help"
The glasses reappearing
Multiple murders but one obsession

Even before I ever watched this film, I long thought BK practiced stealth in his own home, feeling powerful watching family members sleep. How much awareness of it they'd have, I don't know. But now I wonder if he didn't purposefully try to spook his sister, the one who played a part in the movie. Taking her things. Putting them back. Messing with her. Because he could.

If he is the person who broke into his colleague's apartment and rearranged her things, I doubt he just suddenly got that idea.
I don't even know that it would have been his first and only time doing it in her apartment. Maybe it was just the first time she noticed.

You tell me. What would be more unnerving -- to be burglarized OR, having been burglarized, to discover those items back where you left them?

Holy creepy to find things arranged in a way you know you didn't leave them, or, like the key, right back where it was missing from.

In the movie, the murderer watches the campers sleep, his knife, sheathed, prominent by day at his belt. Such an invasion, a violation, yet the campers are entirely unaware.

Was 11/13 the first time BK entered 1122?

Or had he been inside before, undetected? Watching people sleep? Taking personal items? Returning them? Rearranging things?
Is it likely? Probably not. But possible? Maybe. 23 visits, some without his phone. Plus there's precedence. Or, I should say, there might be precedence, since we don't know for sure.

I think it's safe to say -- and scary as hell -- that, while life seemed safe and secure for MM, KG, EC and XK, this crime didn't happen out of nowhere. BK was planning and plotting and surveilling for months. It was building. From the time of his Amazon purchase, from the time he moved to Pullman, from the time he first drove near 1122 King Road, they were never safe.

He was already lurking in the shadows.

JMO

BBM

Absolutely I believe he had snuck up to the house at least a few times to see how to get in. Getting in was paramount and so I believe he checked the doors on multiple occasions and could tell if a door was consistently left unlocked or consistently had easy access.

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[Cool Cats]

"Carve" is such a loaded word. If it's true, that is so intentional. It's not cutting, slashing, slicing. Carving. It rather implies a victim who isn't thrashing... it's measured.

And I just can't shake the move his sister was in. With carving, featured in every single murder.

What are the odds of that? That there'd be a suspect in a murder where a victim had carved injuries on top of a fatal one who happened to have a connection to a movie with the same. Does it prove he's guilty? No. Does it mean that's where he got the idea? No. But it's a curious parallel, especially when considered in light of the other parallels. Sleeping campers, re-appearing items....

I don't want to put more emphasis on a D movie than it warrants but it is one that makes me go hmmmmmm.

JMO

Yes, carved is a loaded word. Why not say slash or cut or stabbed as is normally described in this case?
Carved could mean a shape of some sort. Or carved is simply the word used to describe cut marks.

I don't know but carved with KG 's dad saying the perpetrator punched his daughter in the face (probably mad she was in MM's bed) makes it even worse.

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[Cool Cats]

I sincerely hope not, but idk if him (and Maddie for that matter) waking up during the assault and feeling the pain and terror for a brief moment can be ruled out based on what we know so far. MOO

And RIP to both of them, at least it's over now, but even a few seconds of pain and terror can be excruciating and seem interminably long.

Maybe it was an actual garment (piece of clothing) rather than a towel? Maybe a shirt or a hoodie or something, which could explain one of the two surviving roommates knowing that it's missing.

MOO

A surviving witness said a hoodie is missing?

I bet he wished he could take a "souvenir" but he had to get rid of any evidence.

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[danablue1]

does anyone know if ZK got her order delivered at the front door or the slider it seems like the front door would be more safe as he didn't have to walk around the house in the dark

 

[danablue1]

A surviving witness said a hoodie is missing?

I bet he wished he could take a "souvenir" but he had to get rid of any evidence.

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is that a fact a hoodie is missing?

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

Concerning the "hoodie selfies," I wonder that they are taken with a big WSU right in the front and center of the sweatshirt, if he was trying be spooky and scary. Also, he wasn't doing well there...I think, without proof, that he was communicating with others online, taking those pictures to pick the "best" ones to send to an online buddy, group of murderer wannabees, or even to a woman. I have to wonder at his unbothered demeanor -- is some of it because he knows there's a boatload of electronic evidence that remains hidden? MOO

 

[Megnut]

A surviving witness said a hoodie is missing?

Not the OP, speculation has been that he took a towel (which AT commandeered, calling it cleaning), but who would be able to say a towel was missing? I think the OP was speculating that, if he took something like a hoodie, the surviving roommates might be able to know it's missing.

Just occurred to me, the roommates wouldn't be able to determine if anything was missing, as the house was locked down immediately.

There must be actual evidence for AT to reframe it. Guessing something indicates he was in the bathroom.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Forgive me, but it seems that BK spent considerable time, relatively, in XK's room.

Some of us have said he's not capable of an actual relationship with an actual woman. Not a living one anyway.

Maybe he sat down for the culmination of his sexual fantasy. I'll leave it at that.

One more reason to take a towel or shirt with him.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

is that a fact a hoodie is missing?

The OP was not clear so I can't tell if it is fact or not......Looks like @Megnut answered see above.

 

[jepop]

does anyone know if ZK got her order delivered at the front door or the slider it seems like the front door would be more safe as he didn't have to walk around the house in the dark

Just letting you know the spelling is Xana, so posters here use XK when referring to Xana K.

RIP young innocents Xana, Ethan, Maddie and Kaylee.

 

[danablue1]

thank you! I know it's X but always type Z for some reason

 

[Cool Cats]

Forgive me, but it seems that BK spent considerable time, relatively, in XK's room.

Some of us have said he's not capable of an actual relationship with an actual woman. Not a living one anyway.

Maybe he sat down for the culmination of his sexual fantasy. I'll leave it at that.

One more reason to take a towel or shirt with him.

JMO

I got the impression that they know he sat in a chair because of his bloody footprints. How else would they know?

So there could be his bloody footprints all over, possibly, because we know there is a ton of evidence still hidden behind the gag order.

The Van type shoe print by DM's door was mentioned to show it coincides with DM saying he walked past her room. They put in just enough information to get search warrants. So I am curious if the door shoe print matches the chair footprints.

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