4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[gremlin444]

I appreciate many of us believe BK probably targeted one housemate and that he's likely some sort of incel type, however, is there any proof in existence that he had dated women and was a straight heterosexual man? Is there anyone he's dated or did he have dating profiles looking for women etc that we know of? Am just curious as don't recall having heard any mention of this side of his life at all.

2015--awkward Tinder date with a woman

Woman says she had a Tinder date with the Idaho-killings suspect in 2015 where he said she had 'birthing hips' and insisted on coming to her room

Bryan Kohberger was arrested on charges of first-degree murder in the deaths of four University of Idaho students in November.

www.businessinsider.com

There were his attempts at chatting up the female employees of a brewery in PA, according to the owner--

Woman says she had a Tinder date with the Idaho-killings suspect in 2015 where he said she had 'birthing hips' and insisted on coming to her room

Bryan Kohberger was arrested on charges of first-degree murder in the deaths of four University of Idaho students in November.

www.businessinsider.com

According to the recent Dateline episode, he was getting women's numbers at the pool party in Moscow in the summer. The photos he saved to his phone from social media were women in bikinis. And there were his p**n searches--I suspect if they had been for men, Dateline would have made a point of saying that.

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

2015--awkward Tinder date with a woman

Woman says she had a Tinder date with the Idaho-killings suspect in 2015 where he said she had 'birthing hips' and insisted on coming to her room

Bryan Kohberger was arrested on charges of first-degree murder in the deaths of four University of Idaho students in November.

www.businessinsider.com

There were his attempts at chatting up the female employees of a brewery in PA, according to the owner--

Woman says she had a Tinder date with the Idaho-killings suspect in 2015 where he said she had 'birthing hips' and insisted on coming to her room

Bryan Kohberger was arrested on charges of first-degree murder in the deaths of four University of Idaho students in November.

www.businessinsider.com

According to the recent Dateline episode, he was getting women's numbers at the pool party in Moscow in the summer. The photos he saved to his phone from social media were women in bikinis. And there were his p**n searches--I suspect if they had been for men, Dateline would have made a point of saying that.

Regarding the alleged Tinder date, the whole "birthing hips" remark gets misconstrued, IMO, as it's a famous quip from the TV show The Office. But I have no doubt he was an awkward date.

 

[schooling]

Regarding the alleged Tinder date, the whole "birthing hips" remark gets misconstrued, IMO, as it's a famous quip from the TV show The Office. But I have no doubt he was an awkward date.

That term existed before the The Office and it was often associated with awkward things that a 'Wizard' (a term that predates incel and is not as harsh) might say. Along with "her elbows are too point, anyway" as long running jokes/memes. JMO.

So while he could have been quoting The Office, IMO it's just as likely as him just being socially awkward.

MOO.

 

[schooling]

Question: Do you think law enforcement or the defense asked Amazon to supply information about any Ka-bars shipped to the Moscow area? Wondering how many Ka-bars with that particular sheath might have been shipped nearby. How common are they? I feel the Ka-bar is a huge piece of evidence that makes BK seem the most likely perp, but I wonder if the defense will come up with a large number of Ka-bars with that sheath having been ordered nearby? I had never heard of it before these terrible killings.

I speculated earlier (totally my opinion): that when LE requested Kabar buyers from Amazon in the weeks following the murders the list was either far too large and scoped down to the areas surrounding Moscow or the list somehow failed to include or obscured buyers who used Gift Cards. IMO.

So I think Kohlberger's name and his parents address in PA were likely on Amazon's list. But they missed it for one reason or another. And whatever they heard at the Grand Jury Testimony got them to go back through that list and identified a potential sales record match for Kohlberger. JMO.

I can't remember what AT's wording was exactly, but it was clear that LE knew exactly what to ask Amazon for in the order. Including providing the exact order name (with middle initial), address in PA, and the phone number associated with the order. That leads me to believe, IMO, that they either had a receipt (doubtful), or more likely they revisited the list and found his name.

MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

That term existed before the The Office and it was often associated with awkward things that a 'Wizard' (a term that predates incel and is not as harsh) might say. Along with "her elbows are too point, anyway" as long running jokes/memes. JMO.

So while he could have been quoting The Office, IMO it's just as likely as him just being socially awkward.

MOO.

Yeah, from what we've heard about him anecdotally, it doesn't appear he has much of a sense of humor. I'd be shocked if shows like that appealed to him, and I just don't see him quoting legendary Dunder Mifflin paper salesman, Dwight Schrute.

 

[Boxer]

Did BK Date? (Editted title)

@Observe_dont_Absorb Good question.

Offhand, I don't recall any posts w WS-approved sources discussing BK's dating history, straight, LGBTQIAS+, or any other kind.

But I could have missed it.

IIRC at least one Tinder date came forward.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

BK’s situation is really so sad. My history has included knowing dozens of young adults who as students exhibited learning differences, levels of spectrum disorder, and/or social challenges, all with emotional overlay. Thankfully most had lots of intervention and mentoring and what our school called “social autopsies” to give them practice and language to negotiate the “grownup,” “real” world. This involved helping them match their interests and aptitudes to a career and comfortable social groups where they did have a sense of value and belonging.

At risk young people have the potential to be happy, contributing members of society. OMO.

Yes! But it didn’t seem to work for BK. According to the New York Post:

Maryann Kohberger was a paraprofessional assisting special-needs students until around 2020.

Source: What we know about idaho suspect bryan kohbergers parents

Wouldn’t his Mom have made sure her son received the help he needed? I wonder why she didn’t pursue an ASD diagnosis for him. Perhaps their school district didn’t have adequate funding for the excellent interventions you discussed.

IMOO

 

[Cool Cats]

I appreciate many of us believe BK probably targeted one housemate and that he's likely some sort of incel type, however, is there any proof in existence that he had dated women and was a straight heterosexual man? Is there anyone he's dated or did he have dating profiles looking for women etc that we know of? Am just curious as don't recall having heard any mention of this side of his life at all.

Woman details Tinder date with Bryan Kohberger: "Kept try...

"He texted me and said I had good birthing hips, so I never talked to him" again, she said.

www.newsweek.com

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Yeah, from what we've heard about him anecdotally, it doesn't appear he has much of a sense of humor. I'd be shocked if shows like that appealed to him, and I just don't see him quoting legendary Dunder Mifflin paper salesman, Dwight Schrute.

BK reminds me more of Gareth Keenan, the character in the British version of The Office who later morphed into Dwight Schrute in the American version of the show. I doubt BK would enjoy watching Gareth’s antics.

(save for Gareth’s inexplicable success with women outside of the office)

 

[PunishThenForgive]

According to Dateline:

With Xana either dead or dying, the killer saw Ethan in bed, possibly passed out after a night of drinking, and with one swift blow of the knife, blood spatter shows, the killer struck an artery.

Then …the killer did something strange. He carved Ethan's lower legs. Carved is the specific word that was used.

It looked like the killer sat down after that, said an investigative source, and left behind impressions in blood on a bedroom chair.

Source: Dateline NBC: The Terrible Night On King Road (podcast episode from May 13, 2025)

Here is a graphic that shows the probability of dying if different arteries are cut:



Source: Importance of slash proof clothing

And here is a “bleed out chart” for various arteries when completely severed:



Source: Jim Wagner Bleed Out Chart

<modsnip - AI is not approved as it's not always correct>

I apologize for the imagery, but perhaps BK sat down on Xana’s chair after cutting Ethan’s artery, but before carving Ethan’s legs. He had to wait until Ethan’s nicked or severed femoral or carotid artery stopped spurting so he could carve Ethan’s lower legs without blood getting in his eyes.

(Speculation)

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes! But it didn’t seem to work for BK. According to the New York Post:



Source: What we know about idaho suspect bryan kohbergers parents

Wouldn’t his Mom have made sure her son received the help he needed? I wonder why she didn’t pursue an ASD diagnosis for him. Perhaps their school district didn’t have adequate funding for the excellent interventions you discussed.

IMOO

I absolutely believe she would have, but I also don't believe BK was ASD/OCD as a child. At least not to the extent that the Defense is trying to push the narrative of poor OCD, ASD Brian now.

According to recent testing by the Defense, he can't even tie his shoes, he surely couldn't have wielded a deadly KBAR killing knife on 4 innocent sleeping/half awake college kids.

Yeah, right.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder if LE tried to get that information but with little success (all kbar purchases in what time frame within what circle?). Not likely they circled Pullman AND went back to April, but even then, it was a Pennsylvania purchase!

I think someone in BK's household alerted LE to a specific purchase point, hence a second, more precise warrant.

JMO

And maybe part of the GJ testimony BK's parents had to give in PA that was shared with ID.

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

Yeah, from what we've heard about him anecdotally, it doesn't appear he has much of a sense of humor. I'd be shocked if shows like that appealed to him, and I just don't see him quoting legendary Dunder Mifflin paper salesman, Dwight Schrute.

Yet former schoolmates mentioned he was funny ( as in humor). Or so they said in various MSM articles in the early days. Many of my former students on the spectrum had sharp senses of humor, despite also having strong social deficits and volatile tempers. I can certainly see quasi-misogonists latching onto "humorous" quotes that are reductive towards women. But I don't wish to visit the manosphere to test my guess.

 

[Arkay]

Yet former schoolmates mentioned he was funny ( as in humor). Or so they said in various MSM articles in the early days. Many of my former students on the spectrum had sharp senses of humor, despite also having strong social deficits and volatile tempers. I can certainly see quasi-misogonists latching onto "humorous" quotes that are reductive towards women. But I don't wish to visit the manosphere to test my guess.

I suppose his schoolmates knew him to some degree, while clearly I don’t. Also I’m old and don’t understand these dating websites.

However, IMO context is everything. If this were their fifth date instead of their first, and they had an ease in their burgeoning relationship in which they were swapping their favorite sitcom lines, then maybe the “birthing hips” comment would be humorous.

But according to the link from @gremlin444 , this was a first date between people who’d never met before. The woman allowed him to come to her home after the movie, but then felt so uncomfortable that she pretended to throw up in the bathroom so that he’d leave.

IMO that clearly makes “birthing hips” an inappropriate and sexually tinged comment to text her afterwards, and shows me that he simply could not read the room. Just further proof to me that he doesn’t understand the emotions and signifiers of other people. Which could be a precursor to doing much worse when you easily depersonalize what others are feeling.

He wrote that he didn’t feel anything for his father. He battled his students as a TA.

I can absolutely see these as steps toward committing the ultimate horror, as he eventually did.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I speculated earlier (totally my opinion): that when LE requested Kabar buyers from Amazon in the weeks following the murders the list was either far too large and scoped down to the areas surrounding Moscow or the list somehow failed to include or obscured buyers who used Gift Cards. IMO.

So I think Kohlberger's name and his parents address in PA were likely on Amazon's list. But they missed it for one reason or another. And whatever they heard at the Grand Jury Testimony got them to go back through that list and identified a potential sales record match for Kohlberger. JMO.

I can't remember what AT's wording was exactly, but it was clear that LE knew exactly what to ask Amazon for in the order. Including providing the exact order name (with middle initial), address in PA, and the phone number associated with the order. That leads me to believe, IMO, that they either had a receipt (doubtful), or more likely they revisited the list and found his name.

MOO.

Serious question - Would the average person wanting to buy a knife (why anyway???) for maybe hunting or some sort of countryside recreation, not buy one from a specialist sporting / hunting store? So they can handle it and take expert advice and buy the accessories needed etc?

What reason do Amazon even sell this repulsive things in the first place? Who in sound mind and right intentions is thinking of using one and for what purpose?

Shouldn't they be registered like guns at the very least? We don't have (legal) guns in my country. I'm not sure we have knifes on amazon either but maybe.

Will there be a review of the sale of such knifes in the USA from online sales companies?

 

[SteveP]

Serious question - Would the average person wanting to buy a knife (why anyway???) for maybe hunting or some sort of countryside recreation, not buy one from a specialist sporting / hunting store? So they can handle it and take expert advice and buy the accessories needed etc?

What reason do Amazon even sell this repulsive things in the first place? Who in sound mind and right intentions is thinking of using one and for what purpose?

Shouldn't they be registered like guns at the very least? We don't have (legal) guns in my country. I'm not sure we have knifes on amazon either but maybe.

Will there be a review of the sale of such knifes in the USA from online sales companies?

Without getting into a lengthy discussion about the reasons anyone would want to buy a knife, I will say that knives are not regulated the same as guns in the USA. Even long guns and handguns are not regulated the same. While a very few states do restrict the sale of knives to persons of a designated age, usually 18, most states do not. Also, hunting and fishing knives largely are exempt from most regulations. The linked chart shows that fixed blade knives, of which the KaBar is one, can be legally purchased in all 50 states.

I am sure that honorable people buy KaBar knives every day, for a myriad of reasons. Many may be collectors. Others may use them in the outdoors, though there are better choices for hunters. Regardless, 99.99% of them will not use them to commit mass murder.

As to why Amazon chooses to sell them, I would guess because they legally can, and that is what they do, and there must be enough of a market for them, to justify offering them. JMO

USA Knife Laws State by State: A Comprehensive Knife Laws Guide

Explore everything about knife laws in the USA, including state-specific regulations, blade restrictions, and legal guidelines for carrying knives.

frostknives.com

 

[Justice101]

Serious question - Would the average person wanting to buy a knife (why anyway???) for maybe hunting or some sort of countryside recreation, not buy one from a specialist sporting / hunting store? So they can handle it and take expert advice and buy the accessories needed etc?

What reason do Amazon even sell this repulsive things in the first place? Who in sound mind and right intentions is thinking of using one and for what purpose?

Shouldn't they be registered like guns at the very least? We don't have (legal) guns in my country. I'm not sure we have knifes on amazon either but maybe.

Will there be a review of the sale of such knifes in the USA from online sales companies?

99.0% of hunting knives are used either for hunting or even never used. Higher than guns.

But if you regulate hunting knives, why not kitchen and butcher knives? They are used much more to kill people.

I think its a slippery slope to ban or regulate items that can be used for evil acts.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

Serious question - Would the average person wanting to buy a knife (why anyway???) for maybe hunting or some sort of countryside recreation, not buy one from a specialist sporting / hunting store? So they can handle it and take expert advice and buy the accessories needed etc?

What reason do Amazon even sell this repulsive things in the first place? Who in sound mind and right intentions is thinking of using one and for what purpose?

Shouldn't they be registered like guns at the very least? We don't have (legal) guns in my country. I'm not sure we have knifes on amazon either but maybe.

Will there be a review of the sale of such knifes in the USA from online sales companies?

There are all kinds of reasons why people buy knives and buying items on Amazon is not unusual. If it is a well-known brand name knife then the individual doesn't need to see it in person before purchasing it as the company that makes it is known for their quality.
Hunters, collectors, and cooks are some examples of people who purchase knives online. There is no reason to regulate their sale online, as far as I know.

 

[Sundog]

Without getting into a lengthy discussion about the reasons anyone would want to buy a knife, I will say that knives are not regulated the same as guns in the USA. Even long guns and handguns are not regulated the same. While a very few states do restrict the sale of knives to persons of a designated age, usually 18, most states do not. Also, hunting and fishing knives largely are exempt from most regulations. The linked chart shows that fixed blade knives, of which the KaBar is one, can be legally purchased in all 50 states.

I am sure that honorable people buy KaBar knives every day, for a myriad of reasons. Many may be collectors. Others may use them in the outdoors, though there are better choices for hunters. Regardless, 99.99% of them will not use them to commit mass murder.

As to why Amazon chooses to sell them, I would guess because they legally can, and that is what they do, and there must be enough of a market for them, to justify offering them. JMO

USA Knife Laws State by State: A Comprehensive Knife Laws Guide

Explore everything about knife laws in the USA, including state-specific regulations, blade restrictions, and legal guidelines for carrying knives.

frostknives.com

Thanks for posting the link with information on each state in relation to legal regulations. Looks like that in Pennsylvania, Idaho and Washington states, there are no legal restrictions on knives. (Other states as well, but just mentioning the states where BK lived.)

 

[Boxer]

Serious question - Would the average person wanting to buy a knife (why anyway???) for maybe hunting or some sort of countryside recreation, not buy one from a specialist sporting / hunting store? So they can handle it and take expert advice and buy the accessories needed etc?

What reason do Amazon even sell this repulsive things in the first place? Who in sound mind and right intentions is thinking of using one and for what purpose?

Shouldn't they be registered like guns at the very least? We don't have (legal) guns in my country. I'm not sure we have knifes on amazon either but maybe.

Will there be a review of the sale of such knifes in the USA from online sales companies?

Manosphere mystique.