4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[Ghostwheel]

The thing about the mattresses too, is that it doesn't appear they were tested. This was in a footnote of a recent document (if I recall).

Which of course makes sense, because the bedding (sheets, pillows, etc), is going to have everything the mattresses have and more, in regards to forensic evidence. It is of course possible they cut pieces out for testing, if they thought it was necessary.

See, I'm not sure that the bedding would have everything the mattress does. Suppose the corner of the sheet had come off the bed. What if the killer had cut him/herself and put their hand on the mattress. Or dripped sweat there. Then the mattress might have something not on the bedding.

I do concede that if nothing of the mattress was exposed at any time during the assaults, the mattress likely has nothing that the bedding doesn’t. I just haven't seen that anywhere.

 

[jepop]

He just means that if you scroll down to the pages further down in that document, you see that the original request filed by the defense team.

Here is the PA judge's court order (5 pgs) where you can see an order for each individual.

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20250605/202443-june5,2025-schedulingorders.pdf

Hey @gremlin444 is it too much of a hassle to post screen shots of this original PA Judge's Court Order?. This happened to me before with the PA court docs in that I'm denied access to the Court's web site ( my location I thinK) and have only been able to access previous PA court docs if they are linked in MSM ( I was able to view the PA search warrants for parent's home, BK's person and the Elantra this way). Or is there a current MSm source which links to or includes these documents? It's just for my own curiosity, as your posts and others make it really clear what is going on, so if a hassle please don't feel obliged. I can see from the Idaho docs that Hippler has scheduled a hearing for 30th June to give these potential witnesses the opportunity to show why they should not be obliged to appear at trial. Thank you!

 

[Boxer]

See, I'm not sure that the bedding would have everything the mattress does. Suppose the corner of the sheet had come off the bed. What if the killer had cut him/herself and put their hand on the mattress. Or dripped sweat there. Then the mattress might have something not on the bedding.

I do concede that if nothing of the mattress was exposed at any time during the assaults, the mattress likely has nothing that the bedding doesn’t. I just haven't seen that anywhere.

Depends. Lots of peple have zip up water, dust proof mattress covers.

 

[Boxer]

Nothing removes BKs DNA from the CS.

 

[Sachi]

Whilst it's of course helpful in ways for criminal behaviour analysis as a whole to study incarcerated individuals convicted of serious crime, the issue with this is, the general likes of creepburger are grandiose and very self serving which makes it difficult to get accurate or reliable data from them. What you described above is likely his wet dream. He would buzz his head off to get the whole Bundy/Kemper/Rader... treatment, squirming in his duds over the thought that HE will have interview footage on YouTube, just like the ones he himself has watched of all the infamous serial murderers.
I don't believe for a moment that BK can offer any professional entity anything that they aren't already aware of in terms of psychology/psychiatry/criminology. He is a temu Bundy wannabe fanboy who despite his extensive doctorate level studying and education of criminology and forensics, he was a terrible criminal - ordered the weapon on Amazon, got his car caught on CCTV, left the sheath of the weapon with his stinky DNA on it AND left an eye witness! He's nothing special, in fact, he isn't even the first criminology PhD student to let the abyss that they're studying pull them in, thinking they'll make the "hall of fame" 2009-2010 Bradford, England - Stephen Griffiths murdered 3 women (suspected of more) whilst studying for a PhD in homicide studies/criminology... he even gained himself the catchy nickname of 'the crossbow cannibal' and will spend the rest of his cruddy life in Full Sutton, getting battered by other inmates and attempting to starve himself to death. BK has had enough spotlight as it is, he offers nothing which would educate or bring about future prevention of serious or serial crime.

MOO

this

 

[Gemmie]

I found BKs search history for a Britney Spears' song interesting.

Kohberger's alleged browsing activity included Google searches for "University of Idaho Murders" and a program about serial killer Ted Bundy, Britney Spears' song "Criminal," according to Dateline. SOURCE

I was reading the lyrics and thinking "I don't see how this relates to BK and the murders", then I ran across 2 lines from the song about halfway down.

He is a killer just for fun, fun, fun, fun
He's got no conscience, he got none, none, none, none SOURCE
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Also....

the records indicate Kohberger made online inquiries for pornography with the words "forced," "passed out," "drugged" and "sleeping," per the phone data. SOURCE
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So... IMO it sounds like he went to Maddie's room for forced, passed out and/or sleeping sex, just for "fun, fun, fun", found Kaylee in bed with her which ruined said fun, fun, fun, he snapped and the killing spree began.

It's also MO that Xana and Ethan were killed simply because she was still awake and BK came across her on his way out and she ran into her room. And I also think that had he found her in the kitchen and killed her there on his way out, that Ethan might have lived to see another day.

It's hard for me to believe I could get angrier with him for the killings, but I am now that I realize, IMO, that it was all for fun. (Raping, which I think he went for) and killing is NOT supposed to be considered fun!!!

 

[Megnut]

Watching this GH video, something hit me. GH was talking about BK exiting tge house, employing transfer mitigation, then driving away at a rapid rate.

He mentioned the barking dog.

MOO. It could have been Murphy. He could have been barking inside, then ran outside, still barking, through the open slider. Could have but I don't think it was Murphy. Murphy wasn't discovered/located into some time after LE entered the house. If it's true that he wasn't in an enclosed kennel, then he's as good as a service dog. Quiet, waiting for his person to call him into service. Very doodly IMO.

So, if it wasn't Murphy, who was it? Well, if that camera picked up a barking dog, there's a pretty good chance that the neighbor heard his own dog barking. (Remember the plaintive dog wail in the OJ trial? Effectively time-stamped the crimes.)

IMO BK left the house between 4:16-4:19, spent some minutes decontaminating himself, before speeding away.

IMO if he thought he'd been seen by DM, I don't think he wouldn't been so keen to wait around, risking crime scene transfer to his car over being caught at the scene. So I think he didn't see her, was methodical about his coveralls, and stuck to his plan.

So why then did he suddenly peal out?

The barking dog.

I can imagine the dog's oowner was none too pleased with his dog for waking up the neighborhood, and turned his lights on, to investigate/discipline/quiet.

I am eager to learn what all was picked up by that camera and what of it is corroborated by others living in the area.

Did that same camera collect audio at 4:21, of BK squealing away?

Did it capture a dog barking for 17-20-30 minutes (I can't recall what AT is claiming) ? Did it pick up car door, trunk closing?

One more thing, BK back at 1122, I think at 9:21, exactky 5 hours after he left -- if LE has camera footage of the Elantra within that 300' and in broad daylight, ouch.

And what's that saying -- wherever BK was heading, his brybrows got there first.

JMO
 

 

[Boxer]

Watching this GH video, something hit me. GH was talking about BK exiting tge house, employing transfer mitigation, then driving away at a rapid rate.

He mentioned the barking dog.

MOO. It could have been Murphy. He could have been barking inside, then ran outside, still barking, through the open slider. Could have but I don't think it was Murphy. Murphy wasn't discovered/located into some time after LE entered the house. If it's true that he wasn't in an enclosed kennel, then he's as good as a service dog. Quiet, waiting for his person to call him into service. Very doodly IMO.

So, if it wasn't Murphy, who was it? Well, if that camera picked up a barking dog, there's a pretty good chance that the neighbor heard his own dog barking. (Remember the plaintive dog wail in the OJ trial? Effectively time-stamped the crimes.)

IMO BK left the house between 4:16-4:19, spent some minutes decontaminating himself, before speeding away.

IMO if he thought he'd been seen by DM, I don't think he wouldn't been so keen to wait around, risking crime scene transfer to his car over being caught at the scene. So I think he didn't see her, was methodical about his coveralls, and stuck to his plan.

So why then did he suddenly peal out?

The barking dog.

I can imagine the dog's oowner was none too pleased with his dog for waking up the neighborhood, and turned his lights on, to investigate/discipline/quiet.

I am eager to learn what all was picked up by that camera and what of it is corroborated by others living in the area.

Did that same camera collect audio at 4:21, of BK squealing away?

Did it capture a dog barking for 17-20-30 minutes (I can't recall what AT is claiming) ? Did it pick up car door, trunk closing?

One more thing, BK back at 1122, I think at 9:21, exactky 5 hours after he left -- if LE has camera footage of the Elantra within that 300' and in broad daylight, ouch.

And what's that saying -- wherever BK was heading, his brybrows got there first.

JMO
 

MOO
The dog barking outside had that extra edge that says I am not just recreationally barking, but saying plain as day "'Really Bad!!"
If it was my dog I would wake up look out windows and have my phone ready for 911.

 

[Megnut]

MOO
The dog barking outside had that extra edge that says I am not just recreationally barking, but saying plain as day "'Really Bad!!"
If it was my dog I would wake up look out windows and have my phone ready for 911.

That's why I'm thinking, just like BK altered his approach due to the presence of an unknown vehicle (Door Dash), he may have had to tear out of there because an adjacent homeowner turned his lights on.

I'm curious about a few things.

Was Murphy truly uncrated in a room with an open door or did AT take some liberties there?

Die Murphy make ANY of the noise DM ascribed to him? Or were they all related to the assault in MM's room?

How long did this mystery dog actually bark? Did it continue to bark after BK sped away?

If it was a neighborhood dog, does it doubt fir the entire audio sequence?

Dog barking, muffled. Homeowners lets demanding dog out, bumbumbum issues from that same house, now dog is barking, outside, clear. What was the dog barking about? Sixth sense? BK's car? BK himself?

Pretty crazy really. Second party reviews their alerts, isolates that 4 am audio, whether independently or at LE's direction. Third party liken remembers his dog's agitation and can probably timestamp it as well.

Dog should get a Scooby snack. See something, say something. Good job, Dog.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

See, I'm not sure that the bedding would have everything the mattress does. Suppose the corner of the sheet had come off the bed. What if the killer had cut him/herself and put their hand on the mattress. Or dripped sweat there. Then the mattress might have something not on the bedding.

I do concede that if nothing of the mattress was exposed at any time during the assaults, the mattress likely has nothing that the bedding doesn’t. I just haven't seen that anywhere.

If that had happened, they almost certainly would have tested it.

I think it's probable it either didn't, or the defense was playing word games.

 

[Megnut]

We only saw one side of the mattress if I'm not mistaken. Possibly the bottom. LE may have taken cuttings from the top side for further testing, the whole mattress not needed. Just as one might expect LE to bag a section of carpet but not take the whole room's full. I'm not sure there's a whole lot of evidentiary value there anyway. Just a sad story.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

 You definitely know that the poor female office mate who he installed the security camera for is going to be called. And so will the guy from the apartment complex who BK's dad privately asked to be his friend, esp since BK mentioned the murders to him afterwards (if my memory is correct).

Oooh I have never heard those last 2 snippets!

WASHINGTON: Neighbours of Bryan Kohberger, the suspect arrested in the murders of four University of Idaho students, recently revealed that his father asked them to be friends with him as he had trouble making friends, but they sensed 'something off about him' when he moved to Pullam, Washington.

Bryan Kohberger's neighbors sensed 'something off about him' after dad asked them to be friends with him

A neighbor’s wife noted that she didn’t want to know Kohberger and even refused to invite him over for dinner

meaww.com

Bryan Kohberger 'broke into woman's apartment' to 'install cameras'

The 28-year-old criminology student had befriended a woman at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bryan Kohberger Talked About Idaho Murders With Neighbor: 'It Was Crime Of Passion'

A neighbor of Bryan Kohberger's revealed that the Idaho murders suspect had asked him about the killings a few days after the crime happened.

www.ibtimes.com

Bryan to neighbor:
"Yeah, it seems like they have no leads. It seems like it was a crime of passion."

 

[Cool Cats]

• Kohberger’s team wants 5 witnesses from accused killer’s life in Pennsylvania to take the stand at high-stakes quadruple murder trial
• Key figures from Bryan Kohberger's youth summoned to Idaho for student murders trial

• Key figures from Bryan Kohberger's past in Pennsylvania, including a boxing gym owner, a school advisor, and a former professor, have been summoned as witnesses in his upcoming trial for the Idaho student murders.
• These witnesses are expected to provide insights into Kohberger's background and academic pursuits, particularly his master's thesis on criminal behavior, as prosecutors intend to use his DeSales homework as evidence.
• Two other witnesses are Ralph Vecchio and Maggie Sanders. Their connections to the case were not immediately clear.

 

[Megnut]

• Kohberger’s team wants 5 witnesses from accused killer’s life in Pennsylvania to take the stand at high-stakes quadruple murder trial
• Key figures from Bryan Kohberger's youth summoned to Idaho for student murders trial

• Key figures from Bryan Kohberger's past in Pennsylvania, including a boxing gym owner, a school advisor, and a former professor, have been summoned as witnesses in his upcoming trial for the Idaho student murders.
• These witnesses are expected to provide insights into Kohberger's background and academic pursuits, particularly his master's thesis on criminal behavior, as prosecutors intend to use his DeSales homework as evidence.
• Two other witnesses are Ralph Vecchio and Maggie Sanders. Their connections to the case were not immediately clear.

Unhappy witnesses if they're trying to dodge out, legally.

Not to put words in the professor's mouth, but how she evaluated BK prior to his arrest and how she does now may be two quote different reports.

No doubt AT would like to limit her responses to carefully curated questions.

I'm not sure any of these people are eager to testify for the Defense, especially knowing they'd be called on only to say the nicer things and nothing about what new hindsight may have shown them.

MOO -- BK was brilliant in his analysis of the criminal mind. <----- that's a good report card for a budding PhD candidate.

BK was brilliant in his analysis of the criminal mind. <----- that's a heart attack in light of what he's accused of.

IMO AT isn't going to call any of these people anyway, because it opens the door for the State, tit for tat, every episode of BK hovering awkwardly, tickling creepily, following too close-ily.

When it comes time for sentencing, IMO she's going to be hard-pressed to find actual supporters. Family, sure. Maybe a pastor. All his friend? I don't think so. He doesn't appear to have friends. Former bosses? Did he leave any job on good terms?

Finding someone who can humanize BK might be a losing proposition.

JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

He is a temu Bundy wannabe fanboy who despite his extensive doctorate level studying and education of criminology and forensics, he was a terrible criminal - ordered the weapon on Amazon, got his car caught on CCTV, left the sheath of the weapon with his stinky DNA on it AND left an eye witness!

Agree with almost all of this and love the energy of your language. However, BK did not have "extensive doctoral level study." He had one semester of doctoral courses and managed to get himself dismissed from the program. That program requires 39 hours in graded course work, with 24 credits being required core courses. A minimum 33 hours would be research. According to an AI search, students take 9 credits (3 courses) per semester. That would project out to finishing course work and starting research in the first two years. Successful university teaching and research is required in addition to the dissertation.

So BK did maybe the first 1/4 of his graded coursework. One of those courses was likely some form of research or quantitative methods, based on the listed requirement. And the first listed course was in "Multicultural Issues in Criminal Justice." I'm sure he aced THAT one...But none of it would prepare him to be a homicidal criminal mastermind.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

PA accidentally put in Michelle Bolger's name and rewrote the order with BA's name, but DM had already published their story.

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

The June 30 hearing at the Monroe County Courthouse in Pennsylvania gives the five people who received subpoenas from AT an opportunity to explain why they shouldn’t be compelled to testify: Scheduling orders

As @gremlin444 stated, Michelle Bolger was originally listed among these five potential witnesses, but she was replaced by Brandon Andreola:



Source: Order Scheduling a Hearing on Petition for Summons for Brandon Andreola



Source: Amended order (Andreola)

I wonder if Bolger has already agreed to testify in Idaho (so she won’t need to attend the hearing in Pennsylvania), or if Bolger has already been excused, so AT had to find a replacement.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Agree with almost all of this and love the energy of your language. However, BK did not have "extensive doctoral level study." He had one semester of doctoral courses and managed to get himself dismissed from the program. That program requires 39 hours in graded course work, with 24 credits being required core courses. A minimum 33 hours would be research. According to an AI search, students take 9 credits (3 courses) per semester. That would project out to finishing course work and starting research in the first two years. Successful university teaching and research is required in addition to the dissertation.

So BK did maybe the first 1/4 of his graded coursework. One of those courses was likely some form of research or quantitative methods, based on the listed requirement. And the first listed course was in "Multicultural Issues in Criminal Justice." I'm sure he aced THAT one...But none of it would prepare him to be a homicidal criminal mastermind.

Wouldn’t many of these hours have been fulfilled while earning his master’s degree in Pennsylvania?

Anyway, he apparently didn’t know how to transfer the bulk of his knowledge practically.

 

[mmeynstyn]

He didn't go TO Kate's Cup of Joe. He was captured by the camera AT Kate's Cup of Joe.

There's a Walmart near there.

The real question, why was he so far from home? There are stores closer to home.

Odd place to be.

JMO

Thank you for that clarification. I did notice the Walmart practically right across the street from Kate's. I mentally questioned whether he went there or not. First thought was about a previous discussion we've had here in which Walmart cameras have been instrumental in catching other perps. If BK was aware of that, he most likely would not go into Walmart. Second thought was "what would he buy at Walmart that he couldn't get at Albertsons besides new Dickies coveralls?" I mean, he sure was anxious to get a new knife. Daang, I don't recall any mention of him captured on camera at Walmart, but it sure would fit. If he didn't go to Walmart, where else was he headed?

I agree though, why all that way? I thought there was a Walmart in Pullman? Even access to the bank of the Snake River....Wawawai Park is closer to WSU than driving all the way to Clarkston.

The things in this case that make us go hmmmmm.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Thank you for that clarification. I did notice the Walmart practically right across the street from Kate's. I mentally questioned whether he went there or not. First thought was about a previous discussion we've had here in which Walmart cameras have been instrumental in catching other perps. If BK was aware of that, he most likely would not go into Walmart. Second thought was "what would he buy at Walmart that he couldn't get at Albertsons besides new Dickies coveralls?" I mean, he sure was anxious to get a new knife. Daang, I don't recall any mention of him captured on camera at Walmart, but it sure would fit. If he didn't go to Walmart, where else was he headed?

I agree though, why all that way? I thought there was a Walmart in Pullman? Even access to the bank of the Snake River....Wawawai Park is closer to WSU than driving all the way to Clarkston.

The things in this case that make us go hmmmmm.

I think he may have been scouting for places to dump his knife in the Snake River. He needed daylight for that. He could then return later that day (it was dark by 4:50 pm) to do the deed. Remember, his phone was apparently off from around 5:30 pm to 8:30 pm (PC Affidafit).



Source: Sunrise and sunset times in Lewiston, November 2022

ETA:

@DisplacedDivaofthe6C posted her idea that Kohberger tossed the knife (and kill suit) from the Red Wolf (Crossing) Bridge into the Snake River in post 534 in the previous thread.

Here’s the Red Wolf Crossing bridge in Lewiston, Idaho:


Credit: Ducci (a Google Local Guide), three years ago

 

[Megnut]

Thank you for that clarification. I did notice the Walmart practically right across the street from Kate's. I mentally questioned whether he went there or not. First thought was about a previous discussion we've had here in which Walmart cameras have been instrumental in catching other perps. If BK was aware of that, he most likely would not go into Walmart. Second thought was "what would he buy at Walmart that he couldn't get at Albertsons besides new Dickies coveralls?" I mean, he sure was anxious to get a new knife. Daang, I don't recall any mention of him captured on camera at Walmart, but it sure would fit. If he didn't go to Walmart, where else was he headed?

I agree though, why all that way? I thought there was a Walmart in Pullman? Even access to the bank of the Snake River....Wawawai Park is closer to WSU than driving all the way to Clarkston.

The things in this case that make us go hmmmmm.

Fun fact I would have missed if not for GH -- BK was apparently turned away at Costco. Members only. He didn't have the jacket.

Went Albertson's instead. Self-checkout so LE knows what he bought.

Perhaps what he was doing at Kate's CoJ was availing himself of a free dumpster --

JMO