4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

You're totally right about that so I will digress here. But if you're going to use anyone's imagery in your photography, you should still be following a release process. This often applies to more commercial and other aspects. JMOO

In the UK, this is untrue. Anyone can photograph anything or anyone in a public space and there's no such thing as needing a release form. There's some rules about young children and play areas.

But my initial point was not asking for clarification of legislation, I was wondering how the poster above had discovered their family member wasn't just a 'people watcher' but was in fact staring at people for nefarious purposes. Out of curiosity. As so many people consider 'people watching' a minor hobby and ditto many people are taking creative street photos / videos.

 

[girlhasnoname]

IMO, and with all due respect to the victim's families, the above statement it all wrong. Cameras in the courthouse turn the trials into circuses. There were no camera's allowed in the Lori Vallow trial, but there was good reporting on every aspect of that trial and IMO the public was well informed and justice was served.

I've seen 2 recent trials, Alex Murdaugh and Leticia Stauch, that had cameras and were not circuses. I think the tone and conduct is the result of the presiding Judge handling his Courtroom like a professional. Both of these Judges did an amazing job of keeping things on track and professional.

I've also seen some terrible "trials by twitter" that got numerous reports wrong and once the tweet was out, it was almost impossible to entirely correct. I believe cameras should be allowed in any courtroom in America for transparency on The Prosecution, The Defense and The Judge equally.

JMO

 

[Valen2]

So is the latest suggestion that BK's alibi for the murders could be that he was studying in the closed library of a university at which he was not enrolled? Or that the explanation for the other nights he was nearby could be that he was at the library of the victims school?

I don't understand the apparent need to try and explain away the evidence before we even have a full understanding of it, or to provide BK a possible alibi instead of just waiting for the evidence to come out. Either way, we don't even know what other nights he was in the area or whether the library was open at the times he was nearby.

The library has cameras, I'm sure. If he had been there, his defense would be using that footage. They aren't because he wasn't there. You are right. This need to try and explain away evidence is hard to understand.

 

[Valen2]

Same for Kristin Smart, and audio wasn't even allowed in that case.

 

[10ofRods]

I, also, wonder about that. I wonder about the BTK book with Ramsland as an example.

This is what I have been able to find so far. It sounds to me like the lawyer for the families has developed a contract where Ramsland would get about 25% of any profit/royalties and the victims' families would get about 75% of profits, and that the families of the victims would have final say in the approval of any media portrayals of BTK and his victims. At least that's how I interpret this section of the article, below.

One question people often ask about this unusual collaboration is whether Rader profits from it. He doesn’t, Ramsland explained. In the past 40 years, so-called Son of Sam laws — named after David Berkowitz, who considered selling his story to great outrage in 1977 — have prevented a number of murderers from making money from their stories. In 2005, Thompson worried that Son of Sam laws did not go far enough: They varied from state to state, and a 1991 court ruling had found them to be too broad and possibly unconstitutional. So Thompson and his then co-counsel, Mark Hutton, drew up a contract that gave the families of the victims 75 percent of the profits of all media rights. The current contract, though slightly different, is similarly generous. (Sony has already optioned a TV series.)

Edited to add link

The Serial Killer’s Co-Author (Published 2016)

Katherine Ramsland has written many books on macabre subjects, but her latest volume takes a startling new form: a collaboration that lets a notorious murderer — Dennis Rader, a.k.a. the ‘B.T.K. Killer’ — tell his own story.

www.nytimes.com

Thank you so much! Great example and definitely answers my question (inquiring minds want to know these things). I wonder how many lawyers might end up involved in crafting such an agreement - and how the families feel about making money from a book.

I personally don't want to see a movie based on BTK or BK and their stories - but I do appreciate that BTK's daughter has told her own story.

 

[schooling]

The library has cameras, I'm sure. If he had been there, his defense would be using that footage. They aren't because he wasn't there. You are right. This need to try and explain away evidence is hard to understand.

His DNA, his alibi of driving around, the cellphone, the video, the closed library speculation…

It would make the most predictable and shortest episode of Forensic Files ever. 10 min, with multiple commercial breaks included.

 

[jepop]

No cameras in court defense motion hearing today (13th Sept) at 2pm. Intervenors for Associated Press filed a few Stat decs opposing both the Defense motion and State's position on 8th Sept. Just noticed filings updated to the page now.

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090723-AMENDED-Notice-of-Hearing-Criminal.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/091223-PUBLIC-Order-Regarding-Notice-of-Hearing-Zoom-Information.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090823-Intervenors-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Remove-Cameras-from-Courtroom.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090811-Declaration-of-Boone-in-Support-of-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Remove-Cameras-from-the-Courtroom.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090811-Declaration%20of%20Olson-in-Support-of-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Remove-Cameras-from-the-Courtroom.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090811-Declaration%20of%20Wong-in-Support-of-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Remove-Cameras-from-the-Courtroom.pdf

 

[SpiderFalcon]

No cameras in court defense motion hearing today (13th Sept) at 2pm. Intervenors for Associated Press filed a few Stat decs opposing both the Defense motion and State's position on 8th Sept. Just noticed filings updated to the page now.

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090723-AMENDED-Notice-of-Hearing-Criminal.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/091223-PUBLIC-Order-Regarding-Notice-of-Hearing-Zoom-Information.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090823-Intervenors-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Remove-Cameras-from-Courtroom.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090811-Declaration-of-Boone-in-Support-of-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Remove-Cameras-from-the-Courtroom.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090811-Declaration%20of%20Olson-in-Support-of-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Remove-Cameras-from-the-Courtroom.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090811-Declaration%20of%20Wong-in-Support-of-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Remove-Cameras-from-the-Courtroom.pdf

I think this order grants cameras in the hearing today:

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/091223-Order-Associated-Press-Media-Request.pdf

 

[jepop]

My thought is that after the murders, maybe he stashed his stuff quickly in some rural area south of Pullman, like near Busby or Staley Airport, which is why he took the Bishop Blvd route in to town. Then, when leaving Pullman on his way to Lewiston later that day, he took the same route out of town (per the PCA). Maybe he stopped to pick up the stuff and disposed of it during his outing to Lewiston.??? Jmo.

For sure that makes sense to me as a possibility. As to the next day, I think he could have done some disposing after 5.30pm (rather than picking up stash and taking to Lewiston in daylight hours) when he disconnected from the network for three hours in the vicinity of Johnson Id (per PCA). Given his phone was likely turned off deliberately for three hours (Moo as opposed to being out of range or dead battery) I think he may also have spent some time out there in the sticks going over his vehicle and cleaning it. Speculation and Moo.

 

[arielilane]

"To me the courtroom is truth in action. So why do we hide that?" Here is my full interview with Steve Goncalves ahead of this afternoons Bryan Kohberger hearing. Goncalves and other victims family are concerned removing cameras from the courtroom removes transparency.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701991457551499553

 

[NyxNY]

Sneak peek: The Night of the Idaho Student Murders

The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports Saturday, June 29 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

www.cbsnews.com

Sneak peek: The Night of the Idaho Student Murders

NEW SEASON: The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports Saturday, Sept. 16 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.7H AGO


The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. @PeterVanSant reports, Saturday at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701687123546443843

BBM

Not meaning to reply specifically to you, ariel, but more so to the advertisement and show itself. I really don't expect any new information. Just regurgitated old stuff. "NEW SEASON: The family of murdered student Kaylee Goncalves says they may have uncovered a connection between the suspect, their daughter, and Maddie Mogen. <----- That alone was said by SG a few days following BK's arrest.

 

[arielilane]

Kohberger hearing on cameras in the court is at 2pmPT. I’ll be in the courtroom and live tweet - and we will have the latest on

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702015221399962011

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702016668837495052

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin

 

[10ofRods]

Here is an image from SFGate this morning:



I've taken many a picture like this. And pictures like this are in newspapers across the world. No way that a release is sought from all these individuals. People take videos of all kinds of things and put them up on youtube - sporting events, for example, with vast numbers of people in the background. The local weather news often captures people struggling with weather - and they're using telephoto from a helicopter.

All public spaces, no releases necessary. Some places have local ordinances about pictures taken with telephoto into a private space, but most don't. People who go to crowd events have no expectation of privacy and photojournalists, regular journalists and other patrons at the venue can take pictures of the crowd. Some tickets ban taking pictures of performers - but it is rarely enforced unless the pictures are sold. Even then, with performers like Kanye, it would be hard to know when his performance began and went it ended - but at any rate, he's all over the European news right now, with street photos.

I think this is relevant to the "cameras in the courtroom" issue, because people have misunderstandings about media - and privacy. Courtrooms are not private, is one thing. Judges can limit access to their own courtrooms, is another thing. But if people really believe that releases are sought from all people whose pictures are taken in public, I think that's a misrepresentation of the "right to privacy."

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IMO.

 

[arielilane]

Waiting to head into Latah County Court for the hearing on cameras in the courtroom. Stick with me on this feed for live updates from Moscow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702059104565706985

 

[arielilane]

Just went through security and sat down in the courtroom. Kohberger hearing expected to start at 2pmPT. Less crowded today. Only a handful of media.


Bryan Kohberger just walked into courtroom. He is wearing a suit jacket with a green tie. Sitting between his lawyers. Court starting now.

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/

 

[arielilane]

Court is now in session here in Moscow. Follow for updates: @KHQLocalNews

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702064979867046238

 

[arielilane]

1 - Media colation is represented in court today.

https://twitter.com/johnwebbtv

 

[arielilane]

Lawyers for Kohberger, the prosecution, and attorneys for the media coalition are here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702065530788864381

 

[arielilane]

The judge is questioning whether the media has the right to intervene about the camera issue at this point in the Kohberger case.

Attorney representing media coalition is arguing to the judge that the media does have the right to intervene when first amendment and access issues come up.

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin