4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[AcousticViper]

The presence of a small amount of blood on a common shared touch surface in a rental college apartment/house (esp one known for parties) is one of the least surprising pieces of evidence to me. I remember the places I lived in college...those landlords were not known for their in depth cleaning between residents. *shudder*

Imagine a test for tomatoe ketchup, or gravy, or coffee, or tea, or any number of the *shudder* fluids you have in mind in a college residence. Has anyone ever scanned their own home with an ultraviolet light?

"Although long-wavelength ultraviolet is not considered an ionizing radiation because its photons lack sufficient energy, it can induce chemical reactions and cause many substances to glow or fluoresce. Many practical applications, including chemical and biological effects, are derived from the way that UV radiation can interact with organic molecules."

The results may surprise you.

 

[Zinn]

Yes, the car led police to him. But that isn't convincing because the police misidentified the year and if early media reports are to be believed (many threads ago), they thought it might have been a Nissan, IIRC at first. We've all seen the videos. It's very blurry and unclear, and more importantly, did they ever place that car at the actual crime scene? I don't remember them doing that.



But that's the point. If the DNA is thrown out, everything else is weak. Guilty or not, the white car, his "weirdness," phone being off, and wifi in the neighborhood, by itself will not convict this guy. I would bet all of those things could apply to scores of others in the area. It's the DNA that's most important. If that is thrown out for whatever reason, the cases collapses, IMO.



There is no doubt that he drives a white Elantra. It casts doubt on whether the white Elantra in the video is his white Elantra. If the DNA is thrown out, this becomes so much weaker.



This doesn't make sense to me. He had no business in that area at night? Wasn't it at 10 pm that his phone used the wifi in the neighborhood? Weren't there grocery stores in that area? Wasn't there a shopping hub of some sort there? But even if it was later and everything was closed, we have no evidence (that we know of) that puts him in the neighborhood for any length of time prior to the murders. He could have been driving through on the way to some place else. Heck, he could have just been driving around, which he has every right to do. To say he had no business being there is an overstatement that is factually biased as we all have a right to be in whatever public area we want, regardless of time of day.



His phone was out for hours, not "during the precise time in question." Those hours happened to have included the time of the murder, but it was also out hours before, wasn't it? We also don't know if his phone was out the night before or the night before that or the night before that. All we know is that his phone was off the night of the murders for several hours. All that proves is that his phone can't exonerate him. It doesn't prove he did it.

MOO.

PCA indicated the phone stopped reporting at 2:47am and resumed reporting at 4:48am. This can be due to deliberate action to prevent the phone from reporting or it can be due to consistently being in an area without cellular coverage.

 

[schooling]

My Takeaway: As reported by Dateline, prosecutors have a Amazon receipt for a Ka-Bar knife. IMO.

And it sounds like someone spilled the beans (or more likely hinted at or recalled) on a Amazon purchase via a grand jury subpoena. Allowing LE to issue a warrant to Amazon specifically looking for the goods. (MOO)

Which means they didn't have it until May 2023. Which can lead us to assume that the first warrant was a strikeout. Which makes you wonder.....was the purchase not made under BKs name? If it had been, they would have likely had his name before the arrest and at worst made a connection after the arrest. (MOO)

Just another coincidence I suppose.

All MOO

 

[wendy44]

So did someone catch where AT said that BK was in Moscow at the time but not in the region of the house?

Yes! I was going to ask if anyone else caught that--I wasn't sure if she meant that he was in Moscow but not at the house that night, or if she was talking about the other times his phone was using cellular resources that provide coverage to King Rd. I'll try to listen again to see what preceded that comment.
JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Imagine a test for tomatoe ketchup, or gravy, or coffee, or tea, or any number of the *shudder* fluids you have in mind in a college residence. Has anyone ever scanned their own home with an ultraviolet light?

"Although long-wavelength ultraviolet is not considered an ionizing radiation because its photons lack sufficient energy, it can induce chemical reactions and cause many substances to glow or fluoresce. Many practical applications, including chemical and biological effects, are derived from the way that UV radiation can interact with organic molecules."

The results may surprise you.

This is why I just don't particularly like to travel any longer and stay in hotels. Or swim in their pools.

That being said, someone mentioned about BK taking a plea, for what?! It is not like he is going to get any other deal aside from LWOP. DP off the table? No one has been given DP in Idaho over a decade.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

This was a large house, with lots of people who came in and out. Random male DNA may be in places in the house. College students are not generally known to be overly sensitive about maintaining an immaculate home.

But, that still does not provide the answer to why BK's DNA was found on a knife sheathe, under a victim. That needs to be explained. Not any other DNA found in the house.

In the Delphi case, the defense threw anything they could find into legal filings, using illogical arguments. They tried pagans, prison conditions, conspiracies and corruption. Railed against ballistics and questioned confessions. But it was the timeline that convicted Richard Allen. He put himself on that bridge and no one could get him off.
This case seems similar. The defense is illogically questioning everything; DNA, white car, survivor accounts, conscious of guilt behavior, etc. They want it all thrown out. But it’s the DNA on that knife sheath. It shouldn’t be there. And no one can get it off.

 

[MassGuy]

In the Delphi case, the defense threw anything they could find into legal filings, using illogical arguments. They tried pagans, prison conditions, conspiracies and corruption. Railed against ballistics and questioned confessions. But it was the timeline that convicted Richard Allen. He put himself on that bridge and no one could get him off.
This case seems similar. The defense is illogically questioning everything; DNA, white car, survivor accounts, conscious of guilt behavior, etc. They want it all thrown out. But it’s the DNA on that knife sheath. It shouldn’t be there. And no one can get it off.

Couldn't get Allen off that bridge; can't get BK's DNA off that sheath.

 

[Kemug]

I think he did not expect there to be a second person in M M's bed and it threw him off. Also, I believe KG surprised him by fighting back if I remember correctly. She was sitting up in the corner and had fought back I think her parents said. This would not be something the coward killer expected. He thought he could stab a single sleeping victim and his plans went awry and this is why he left his sheath.

My opinion if I am remembering correctly.

Plus, in that moment when he realised there was another person in the bed, he would probably have assumed it was a male. Perhaps therefore felt some fear. Rattled him a bit. Maybe he didn't realise it was another girl until it hit the headlines.

 

[INfisherman]

In the Delphi case, the defense threw anything they could find into legal filings, using illogical arguments. They tried pagans, prison conditions, conspiracies and corruption. Railed against ballistics and questioned confessions. But it was the timeline that convicted Richard Allen. He put himself on that bridge and no one could get him off.
This case seems similar. The defense is illogically questioning everything; DNA, white car, survivor accounts, conscious of guilt behavior, etc. They want it all thrown out. But it’s the DNA on that knife sheath. It shouldn’t be there. And no one can get it off.

Agreed, however AT isn’t consorting with YT mouthpieces to spread misinformation to the public nor leaking evidence via former employees. AFAIK, she’s at least being more upstanding about it (doing it the right way) so far.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Not sure what to make of BK's facial expression, posture, body language.

Anyone?

I haven't been watching live so don't know how he appears -but- it is my belief that a lot of prisoners are heavily medicated and maybe even over medicated.

After all, they're in a situation that would cause panic, anxiety, insomnia, terror, depression, paranoia, and they're in a lock up where if they 'act out' they can harm themselves, others, staff. It is for that reason IMO, that they are readily heavily medicated (read: sedated)

Also any decent lawyer is going to advise their client to sit still, sit up straight and don't make gestures or facial expressions. Then people read into this that they are devoid of emotion. Some may be but many aren't.

So, IMO, it's always hard to imagine what the defendant / perpetrator is really thinking or feeling. I wonder, do we ever get to know about their medications.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

RSBM
Sorry, but I don't believe this. They are pretending they think that.

100% they're doing their job - their job is to uphold justice by testing and arguing any weakness in the case and making sure every part of the prosecution case is watertight. In the end, a great defence lawyer will have collaborated in the conviction of their client.

Although there are examples where a guilty man walks free because the LE / prosecution have made procedural errors or messed up evidence, a case like this is not going to be one IMO.

 

[Boxer]

PCA indicated the phone stopped reporting at 2:47am and resumed reporting at 4:48am. This can be due to deliberate action to prevent the phone from reporting or it can be due to consistently being in an area without cellular coverage.

It went off in a coverage area.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

And possible the door dash driver actually handed the food to a person at the door and can identify this person. We do not know if the door dash driver left the food outside the door or handed the food to an actual person in the house.

2 Cents

I feel so sorry for that door dash driver / rider. Imagine making that delivery in the small hours and then the next day or so being questioned as a potential suspect of such an horrific crime? It almost defies belief that someone can drop off a food order and within just a couple of hours the house is a bloodbath

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

My Takeaway: As reported by Dateline, prosecutors have a Amazon receipt for a Ka-Bar knife. IMO.

And it sounds like someone spilled the beans (or more likely hinted at or recalled) on a Amazon purchase via a grand jury subpoena. Allowing LE to issue a warrant to Amazon specifically looking for the goods. (MOO)

Which means they didn't have it until May 2023. Which can lead us to assume that the first warrant was a strikeout. Which makes you wonder.....was the purchase not made under BKs name? If it had been, they would have likely had his name before the arrest and at worst made a connection after the arrest. (MOO)

Just another coincidence I suppose.

All MOO

I'm finding it exceptionally hard to believe that PhD Criminology student sets out to commit the 'perfect crime' undetected and purchases his weapon of choice from Amazon. I understand many people agree it's looking that way but how does that jive with the theory of his intention? Makes no sense IMO.

 

[snooptroop88]

But if it’s "Bryan’s" DNA stuck to the wall & used as evidence, that’s a violation of his constitutional rights.

This must be the Constitution of the moon and stars...

 

[INfisherman]

I'm finding it exceptionally hard to believe that PhD Criminology student sets out to commit the 'perfect crime' undetected and purchases his weapon of choice from Amazon. I understand many people agree it's looking that way but how does that jive with the theory of his intention? Makes no sense IMO.

Neither does contacting the police & telling them you were on the MHB from 1:30 to 3:30 after murdering 2 girls, but that’s exactly what RA did in the Delphi case.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

This must be the Constitution of the moon and stars...

Hi bud.

Yes, but don’t leave out the fog my friend.

 

[snooptroop88]

I'm finding it exceptionally hard to believe that PhD Criminology student sets out to commit the 'perfect crime' undetected and purchases his weapon of choice from Amazon. I understand many people agree it's looking that way but how does that jive with the theory of his intention? Makes no sense IMO.

He had no idea then he was going to forget the sheath, though.

 

[INfisherman]

He had no idea then he was going to forget the sheath, though.

Evidently he wasn’t aware of video cameras all around the area as well. However, even with cameras around, that doesn’t mean bad things will be recorded all the time - Lauren Spierer.

 

[Swansee]

Regardless of the case at hand, I was really shocked to see confirmation from both sides that authorities do indeed violate the TOS of ancestry genealogy services.
There had been hints at that beforehand but this hearing really confirms it. Again, I'm not talking about BK or the implications for this case, but generally speaking, I don't think this is ok.
I don't know about unconstitutional but it is definitely unethical IMO. The "opt in/out" option might as well be removed if it's just going to be ignored/circumvented by authorities.