4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[mrjitty]

Boom.

Judge: if the Court allows the IGG, and it had been included in the PCA, wouldn't that have strengthened the probable cause?

is AT going to argue next for the charges to be dropped because no impartial jury can be seated because this hearing for a hearing was streamed, while she and the defendant are drowning?

JMO

LOL!

This is what I said ages ago. The whole thing is a circular argument.

Inclusion of IGG only increases the PC, unless IGG is unconstitutional - which it is not unless and until a high appeal court so rules. Which won't be happening pre-trial.

MOO

 

[arielilane]

Steve Goncalves says community support has been a blessing

Steve Goncalves, the father of Kaylee, one of the four University of Idaho students murdered in Moscow, talks to Idaho News 6.

www.kivitv.com

Jan 23, 2025 and last updated 1 hour and 16 minutes ago

 

[Jade]

It’s totally desperate how the Defense tries to convolute the truthfully stated impressions of the roommate as if the young girl would ever think it was an intruder murdering all her roommates instead of routine sounds.

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Taylor added the roommate told police she had been drinking and that she also heard one of the victims come up and down the stairs during the time of the attack.
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To categorize that as a “fact” instead of more accurately the content of her witness statement is over reach and ignorant sounding, imo

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"They know that fact is wrong," Taylor added.
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It was the roommate’s impression at the time as to what was going on.

The witness reasonably believed it was a roommate on the steps in the middle of the night.

Interesting that Taylor thinks it interesting the FBI wouldn’t have jurisdiction over the “trash man”. I do hope she reveals what authority the “trash man” has over the FBI.

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"I think it's interesting when you have the FBI telling the trash man what to do," Taylor said in court.
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Perhaps she should turn to WS for advice since here we all know:

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"An individual has no expectation of privacy as to what they throw into the trash, and so law enforcement wouldn't need to get a warrant to check what they call as an abandonment sample," Buckmire explained.
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New details revealed of surviving roommate's interview with police after Idaho college murders

Kohberger's lawyer said the roommate told police she had been drinking and that she also heard one of the victims come up and down the stairs during the time of the attack.

6abc.com

Looks like a start to another flat earth defense, imo.


all imo

 

[Megnut]

What?

Defense just said it doesn't intend to bring every warrant before the Court but intends to scalpel it.

I don't know I'd choose that word in this case.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Oh Judge Hippler is not having it. I can't believe this D Lawyer is fumbling around and then arguing with him when he calls her out. AT looks like she could throw up and BK looks even smaller than yesterday. Any lower and he is going to be sitting on the floor.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

What did we learn today?

My analysis of today: AT isn't afraid that BK can't get a fair trial; she's afraid he'll GET a fair trial. Which will result in his certain conviction.

JMO

RSBM

Agree Meg. The whole point is to delay, file a blizzard of motions, hope to hornswoggle the Judge or overwhelm the state ... you never want to go to trial.

It hasn't worked so far.

 

[mmeynstyn]

Oh Judge Hippler is not having it. I can't believe this D Lawyer is fumbling around and then arguing with him when he calls her out. AT looks like she could throw up and BK looks even smaller than yesterday. Any lower and he is going to be sitting on the floor.

JMO

I know...the height of BK's chair and the height of the chair for BK's attorney that is talking is sooo obvious. Does this kind of thing really work?

correction: height of the chair for BK's attorney that is talking -not- AT's chair.

 

[mrjitty]

The judge also made the point that BK lacks standing since he didn't upload his own DNA--again, the facts of familial DNA I think can complicate that but she didn't argue it.

RSBM
Interesting. I was wondering about standing. As you say at first glance he doesn't have standing. So then you get into complicated policy questions - but no trial court is going to decide those. MOO

 

[jepop]

Unlike Judge Hippler

Seems to be Grumpy judge extraordinaire! Don't know if you watched the first hearing not long after when case was first transfered over. This very direct and upfront judge made clear to those gathered he was not happy to be there and wanted to get that out of the way first thing, lol

 

[Megnut]

What is this? Defense deposing LE on the Court's time?

Feels like a fact-finding mission for the Defense. Fishing expedition.

Very tolerant judge.

Too tolerant.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Yes, which makes them the same as pretty much every lawyer ever.

Yeah all the cool kids roll this way now

 

[mmeynstyn]

What is this? Defense deposing LE on the Court's time?

Feels like a fact-finding mission for the Defense. Fishing expedition.

Very tolerant judge.

Too tolerant.

JMO

Is the Defense just going through all this paperwork to point out typo's and incomplete template edits. I wish she would have summarized her point....maybe that will come later?

 

[mrjitty]

Seems like the D have no case - which has been pretty apparent since he left his DNA at the crime scene.

Maybe in some years IGG will get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court and a helpful ruling will emerge for killers who were caught this way.

But until that day it feels like this case is all over bar the fat lady singing.

MOO

 

[arielilane]

This is what you call, "milking it" moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just a quick reminder -- this isn't a Frank's hearing. This is a hearing for the Defense to attempt to convince the Court a Frank's hearing is even in order.

Big hill.

JMO

Yeah, I'm calling it a big no.

 

[Jade]

Regardless of the case at hand, I was really shocked to see confirmation from both sides that authorities do indeed violate the TOS of ancestry genealogy services.
There had been hints at that beforehand but this hearing really confirms it. Again, I'm not talking about BK or the implications for this case, but generally speaking, I don't think this is ok.
I don't know about unconstitutional but it is definitely unethical IMO. The "opt in/out" option might as well be removed if it's just going to be ignored/circumvented by authorities.

I was told by an attorney that sort of waiver is not worth the paper it’s written on.

Or should we say these days the bandwidth it takes to check the box.

I'm not shocked that anything I would submit to a public company, a online business, would be completely trusted to not get away in some way, get hacked, etc.

I'm talking about genealogical services directly through the public not through clinical health care providers.


all imo

 

[DizzyB]

Out of interest, did they disclose which of those 4 sites gave them the hit? If it was one-of the two that are open and not opt in, isn't their argument still irrelevant?

It sounded like D said My Heritage, which does have an opt in/out policy. However, it wasn’t BK’s DNA they found on the site, it was familial. So BK has no standing. My Heritage could sue the FBI for violation of their TOS, but it still won’t throw out the evidence.

 

[arielilane]

LE found a Ka-Bar knife sheath on a bed next to the bodies of MM and KG. The sheath was face down and partially under both MM’s body and the comforter on the bed. LE seized the Ka-Bar knife sheath pursuant to a search warrant.

Sample from Bryan Kohberger matches DNA found at Idaho crime scene, court documents say

The DNA sample revealed a near-exact match to the DNA found on a knife sheath found at the scene of the quadruple murder in Idaho last November.

www.cbsnews.com

6/21/2023

 

[arielilane]

Judge Hippler is top notch. Like this judge.

 

[arielilane]

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