4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[wendy44]

I remember David Eisenhauer & Natalie Keepers. Brian Walshe. Who else?

Currently, there's Naresh Bhatt in the Mamta Bhatt case caught shopping at Walmart for knives and then a different day at another Walmart for cleaning supplies. She hasn't been found and he's scheduled for trial in September. I went to the same school as Eisenhauer and Keepers and have shopped at all three of these stores. It's always crazy when you see a place you are very familiar with on the national news.

Regarding the roommates, one of the things I'm most interested in seeing is what if any text messages were being sent among them that night/early morning. What were they texting to each other and to the victims as this was occurring and in the aftermath. Whatever DM's memory was, we've had hints there are text messages in real time and this might be a window into what was happening that we don't usually have.

General impression after watching the full video from yesterday--this judge seems to have every intention of moving forward with this trial. For example, the advice he gave to the prosecution at the end of the hearing regarding the expert witness reports. He did not speak like a judge who thinks this may not go to trial.
JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

My thinking is maybe they had a broad list of purchases, but weren’t given specifics. So they then requested detailed information for the time periods where they saw incriminating orders.

LE already had the information from a FGJ subpoena.
They applied for a warrant after they knew the information.
This was also discussed in the hearing.

MTS
At some point, an FBI agent subpoenaed Amazon records belonging to Mr. Kohberger’s account.1 On both December 30, 2022, and January 27, 2023, Amazon responded with records showing Mr. Kohberger’s purchases.

on April 26, 2023, Det. Mowery of the Moscow Police requested a warrant for the same information, telling the court that an unnamed FBI Special Agent had “located” requested information. The warrant was amended due to a date error and ultimately issued May 8, 2023.

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/090823-Order-to-Seal-and-Redact-Amazon.pdf

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/111424-Motion-Supress-Memorandum-Support-Amazon.pdf

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JMO

 

[joe jones]

One thing I have often wondered about is why most opinions seem to be focused on the intended victims being MM and KG, and what evidence led/leads LE to think they were killed first,
Their appears to be no connection between BK and any of the victims, no stalking according to LE, so why the assumption they were his reason for going to the house,
I also am utterly confused as to why he went back into the house further away from his exit point if he killed MM and KG first, and if he killed XK and EC to get rid of possible witnesses why leave another witness alive, I can only suppose he didn't see her,
I am also very interested in the lighting inside the house, and if the people who discovered the bodies were the ones that opened the upstairs door in the room the dog was in,
So many questions I hope get answered at trial

 

[iamshadow21]

One thing I have often wondered about is why most opinions seem to be focused on the intended victims being MM and KG, and what evidence led/leads LE to think they were killed first,
Their appears to be no connection between BK and any of the victims, no stalking according to LE, so why the assumption they were his reason for going to the house,
I also am utterly confused as to why he went back into the house further away from his exit point if he killed MM and KG first, and if he killed XK and EC to get rid of possible witnesses why leave another witness alive, I can only suppose he didn't see her,
I am also very interested in the lighting inside the house, and if the people who discovered the bodies were the ones that opened the upstairs door in the room the dog was in,
So many questions I hope get answered at trial

I'm one of the outliers who don't believe he targeted any of the girls in particular, but thinks he targeted the house, and whoever he came across inside it.

I think for a house in the middle of the night, the lighting wasn't bad, because in the middle floor living room, the neon wall art seems to have been left on. We also don't know if the housemates were in the habit of leaving other lights on for ease of movement. For example, in the house that I live, a small light in the kitchen and the hall light are permanently on to make it easier to get to the loo at night, etc. I think the neon light in the living room, which would have been on his left as he stepped down into that central point right where the surviving roommate's door was, temporarily blinded his vision and meant he didn't see her door was cracked open.

Whatever lights were left on, it seems to have been a fishbowl of a house, if the tabloid photographs taken while forensics teams were inside processing are anything to go by.

The original court documentation seems to imply that after finding Xana and Ethan, the flatmates and their friends didn't investigate further, and that LE were the ones to find the dog unharmed upstairs.

MOO

 

[Swansee]

As far as I understand DM was interviewed at least four times. So there may be four slightly different versions and descriptions in her various interviews, some including bushy eyebrows, others not. That's just normal, people don't use the exact same words every time we tell a story, and may leave out one thing or recall another in more detail.
I didn't get the impression AT was attacking DM at all; IMO her attack was very clearly directed at Payne and the State and accusing them of cherry picking many things, including DM's words, to put together the PCA, while ignoring elements that she claims would have been exculpatory.

What interests me is that Ashley Jennings tells us that DM had texted the description of what she was seeing and hearing in real time to BF. Those text messages are IMO the most interesting version of DM's testimony.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, lots of college students drink too much although it's not clear the witness spent time with KG that night or even knew very her well. I hadn't assumed the witness was definitely under the influence though until I read she said her memory was affected by alcohol.

I would like to know more about the actual interview before I find her credible. I still think she sounded coached in what has been reported.
MOO

She was interviewed way before LE knew who their suspect was. So how could they coach her to describe someone similar to BK?

 

[gremlin444]

I see at least one a week on the ID channel shows even just last night. The woman who disappeared the mother in Florida purchased gloves, tarp, heavy duty garbage bags and an electric knife. I think WM should have an algorithm that flashes a "Warning, Danger" sign in these cases. Joking/not joking.

JMO

Not be pedantic, but Brian Walshe and many others favor Home Depot/Lowes, instead of WalMart, for all their post murder clean up supplies.

What Brian Walshe bought after his wife disappeared, according to prosecutors

Brian Walshe, who is charged in his wife's murder, allegedly bought hardware and cleaning supplies in the days after she was last seen.

www.boston.com

 

[schooling]

Yes, lots of college students drink too much although it's not clear the witness spent time with KG that night or even knew very her well. I hadn't assumed the witness was definitely under the influence though until I read she said her memory was affected by alcohol.

I would like to know more about the actual interview before I find her credible. I still think she sounded coached in what has been reported.
MOO

On the day of the very morning that the victim's were discovered locals and students were already sharing uncoroborated information on social media. Most of it on Reddit's dedicated Moscow Idaho subreddit. That subreddit ultimately deleted and banned threads discussing the incident. A few days later the somewhat vial (IMO) places dedicated to the crime sprung up and the quality of information deteriorated.

Most of those original posts have been treated as a clearninghouse for reporting from Radar, Newsweek, NewsNation and DailyMail. Since I can't possibly cull all of the verified reporting I wont mention any here. But many (if not most) align with what we see in the PCA. Making the window for coaching extremely tight. And because of that I don't believe that there was any coaching at all.

 

[INfisherman]

Not be pedantic, but Brian Walshe and many others favor Home Depot/Lowes, instead of WalMart, for all their post murder clean up supplies.

What Brian Walshe bought after his wife disappeared, according to prosecutors

Brian Walshe, who is charged in his wife's murder, allegedly bought hardware and cleaning supplies in the days after she was last seen.

www.boston.com

Were they veterans? If so, there you go, veterans discount.

 

[mickey2942]

I'm one of the outliers who don't believe he targeted any of the girls in particular, but thinks he targeted the house, and whoever he came across inside it.

I think for a house in the middle of the night, the lighting wasn't bad, because in the middle floor living room, the neon wall art seems to have been left on. We also don't know if the housemates were in the habit of leaving other lights on for ease of movement. For example, in the house that I live, a small light in the kitchen and the hall light are permanently on to make it easier to get to the loo at night, etc. I think the neon light in the living room, which would have been on his left as he stepped down into that central point right where the surviving roommate's door was, temporarily blinded his vision and meant he didn't see her door was cracked open.

Whatever lights were left on, it seems to have been a fishbowl of a house, if the tabloid photographs taken while forensics teams were inside processing are anything to go by.

The original court documentation seems to imply that after finding Xana and Ethan, the flatmates and their friends didn't investigate further, and that LE were the ones to find the dog unharmed upstairs.

MOO

That is interesting. Because I keep wondering why those people. He chose the house?!

I keep thinking that this was not his first kill.

 

[iamshadow21]

That is interesting. Because I keep wondering why those people. He chose the house?!

I keep thinking that this was not his first kill.

Why not? We know that certain other killers have selected based on the house. Choosing places with sliding doors, apartments with balcony access, etc.

With the exception of the Chi Omega sorority house, I believe all Bundy's known home invasion attacks were basement apartments with women living alone.

I'm not saying the house was the only factor, but it could have been a major factor. It was a fishbowl, it was very easy to surveill, and not only that, you could virtually walk around the entire thing online thanks to the real estate listing.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

That is interesting. Because I keep wondering why those people. He chose the house?!

I keep thinking that this was not his first kill.

Perhaps his first actual kill but likely not his first hot prowl, a skill which may have given him the self-appointed confidence to carry out what he set out to carry out that night.

JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Perhaps his first actual kill but likely not his first hot prowl, a skill which may have given him the self-appointed confidence to carry out what he set out to carry out that night.

JMO

Yes @Megnut …. have to agree. I also wonder, what computer and electronic device forensics might reveal if anything in this case? Can’t remember what has been made public if any in that area. Maybe some device search history could be illuminating? MOO

 

[MassGuy]

That is interesting. Because I keep wondering why those people. He chose the house?!

I keep thinking that this was not his first kill.

I'm sure they've checked anything and everything he could have been involved in, from more minor crimes to other murders. I never had the impression he had done this before though.

 

[INfisherman]

Perhaps his first actual kill but likely not his first hot prowl, a skill which may have given him the self-appointed confidence to carry out what he set out to carry out that night.

JMO

For me, the clothing & habits at night seems to indicate you may be correct.

I'm sure they've checked anything and everything he could have been involved in, from more minor crimes to other murders. I never had the impression he had done this before though.

It would be nice to know if there were, in fact, any "sloppy" & possibly unsolved murders of any young females in the Pullman &/or Moscow areas or smaller campuses or towns prior to this one, but I do feel you’re likely correct.

JMO

ETA For some reason, I can’t shake the idea that had he not been a POI or caught, this wouldn’t have been his last murder either.

ETA2 locations

 

[MassGuy]

For me, the clothing & habits at night seems to indicate you may be correct.


It would be nice to know if there were, in fact, any "sloppy" & possibly unsolved murders of any young females prior to this one, but I do feel you’re likely correct.

JMO

ETA For some reason, I can’t shake the idea that had he not been a POI or caught, this wouldn’t have been his last murder either.

Oh I do think he would have done this again, eventually.

I also think there are other crimes that built up to this.

 

[INfisherman]

Oh I do think he would have done this again, eventually.

I also think there are other crimes that built up to this.

Probably highly likely. He strikes me as one who enjoys sneaking/creeping & highly voyeuristic. Might justify it in his own mind as he likes observing people from a distance.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Oh I do think he would have done this again, eventually.

I also think there are other crimes that built up to this.

Exactly.

And who is going to call LE to report a missing trinket or a moved coffee cup? It's very possible BK was practiced in prowling, deriving pleasure from the invasion itself, taking things of value or no value or simply moving them around, fueling his fantasy.

He may well have been in that house before, doing just that.

Where most people might fear being caught, he probably felt, instead, a thrill at the prospect of not.

JMO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I'm sure they've checked anything and everything he could have been involved in, from more minor crimes to other murders. I never had the impression he had done this before though.

I think this was his first time killing too, and I also think he only intended to have one victim.
The others were collateral damage because they got in his way IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Interesting....."between March 20 and March 30, 2022" seems very specific. What did they know/find that would suggest that time frame I wonder?

Cause they found some specific ordered items in that time frame. Can't get around it. Exact date and time are stamped on it. So it is important enough for them to check these specific items.

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