4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin

Bryan Kohberger pre-trial hearing continues today.Defense trying to get DNA evidence tossed.You can stream here.

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[MassGuy]

I'm finding it exceptionally hard to believe that PhD Criminology student sets out to commit the 'perfect crime' undetected and purchases his weapon of choice from Amazon. I understand many people agree it's looking that way but how does that jive with the theory of his intention? Makes no sense IMO.

These crimes tend to start out as a fantasy. The knife purchase may have come well before he formed a plan to actually carry these murders. So I think there's a reasonable chance the purchase and the crime weren't particularly close together.

 

[QB2022]

If these are the straws the defence are clutching at then BK is stuffed.

 

[mrjitty]

These crimes tend to start out as a fantasy. The knife purchase may have come well before he formed a plan to actually carry these murders. So I think there's a reasonable chance the purchase and the crime weren't particularly close together.

Also he is not very smart - like most people who do a crime like this.

More likely he has elevated levels of risk taking compared to the average citizen and is poor at evaluating risks and consequence.

my opinion.

 

[jepop]

It went off in a coverage area.

I'm now almost 100% he turned it off (and then back on when 20 minutes south of 1122 at around 4.50am). At least Ashley Jennings said he turned it off in court yesterday. I think It's been confirmed.

 

[MassGuy]

Also he is not very smart - like most people who do a crime like this.

More likely he has elevated levels of risk taking compared to the average citizen and is poor at evaluating risks and consequence.

my opinion.

I mean, what’s the difference if you never intend to end up on LE’s radar in the first place.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Detective Mowery is on the stand. Forensic Detective with Moscow PD.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

This detective doesn't seem to be disguising his distaste for the defence tactics, he isn't giving her an inch

 

[jepop]

Detective Mowery is on the stand. Forensic Detective with Moscow PD.

Having a break and a snooze ( it being the middle of the night in my part of this earth). Is it as exciting as the questioning of Detective Payne...?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Having a break and a snooze ( it being the middle of the night in my part of this earth). Is it as exciting as the questioning of Detective Payne?

It seems the information is flowing easier with this witness.

 

[NCWatcher]

It doesn't really upset me that the FBI would ignore an 'opt out' in order to find a brutal killer.

Just because a family member checks a box saying 'please don't investigate any of my family in the future' , that doesn't mean those killers should walk free from investigation.

Do we have the right to cover for murderous family members just because we want to? I don't think so.

Did they say the ancestry sites TOS are violated only for murder investigations? Or could it be for any reason LE/the FBI deems relevant?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

What?

Defense just said it doesn't intend to bring every warrant before the Court but intends to scalpel it.

I don't know I'd choose that word in this case.

JMO

Yikes @Megnut …. maybe someone, the defense attorney, is beginning to try and desensitize the public to such terms and the nature of the crime their client is accused of committing? SMH

And with an apparent gag order, or partial order in place, seems there are only so many opportunities to ‘communicate’ outside filings or court? MOO

 

[DizzyB]

Did they say the ancestry sites TOS are violated only for murder investigations? Or could it be for any reason LE/the FBI deems relevant?

Slippery slope. I resolved never to be tested-mostly because I don’t want my DNA to be utilized in the future for all sorts of things, including healthcare decisions. It will eventually come to that.

However, I’m pretty much screwed anyway.Odds are, someone, somewhere in my family tree is going to upload their DNA to a site. We will all end up in a database eventually. You can’t unring that bell. They are not tossing evidence. If it was BK’s DNA in the database, and he had opted out, maybe, just maybe, the defense could argue the point. But he personally has no standing.

 

[CKS]

I'm now almost 100% he turned it off (and then back on when 20 minutes south of 1122 at around 4.50am). At least Ashley Jennings said he turned it off in court yesterday. I think It's been confirmed.

All MOO

I do not believe they have confirmed that nor not sure they ever will.

“But Levitan said a typical cellphone tower covers an area of 12 square miles. Someone could be miles away from the nearest cell tower, and Moscow is a roughly 3-by-5-mile town.

“You cannot pinpoint a person,” Levitan said about cellphone records. “There’s no chance any expert in the world can tell you where that person is located.”

Levitan added that the nearest cell tower to the King Road home covers an area of 27.3 square miles — the same size as nearly 14,000 football fields.

Moscow police said Kohberger’s historical phone records were pulled to determine whether Kohberger “stalked any of the victims” before the stabbings. Levitan said if authorities during the court proceedings try to show Kohberger visited the home 12 times, “they will be wrong and could damage their case.”... Police in the affidavit said that a phone not reporting to the network could mean it was in airplane mode, turned off, or in an area without service. Levitan said that it’s impossible to know for sure that Kohberger turned off his phone unless someone called Kohberger during the two-hour period and the call records showed that his phone went straight to voicemail.

He added that if someone’s phone isn’t showing up on the network, all it means is that they didn’t receive any calls or texts or use any apps during that time period.”https://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html

 

[girlhasnoname]

I love Detective Mowrey, he is buttoned up tighter than a guitar string. They can 'fish' all day but he's no dummy.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

Live feed is back on.

 

[MassGuy]

All MOO

I do not believe they have confirmed that nor not sure they ever will.

“But Levitan said a typical cellphone tower covers an area of 12 square miles. Someone could be miles away from the nearest cell tower, and Moscow is a roughly 3-by-5-mile town.

“You cannot pinpoint a person,” Levitan said about cellphone records. “There’s no chance any expert in the world can tell you where that person is located.”

Levitan added that the nearest cell tower to the King Road home covers an area of 27.3 square miles — the same size as nearly 14,000 football fields.

Moscow police said Kohberger’s historical phone records were pulled to determine whether Kohberger “stalked any of the victims” before the stabbings. Levitan said if authorities during the court proceedings try to show Kohberger visited the home 12 times, “they will be wrong and could damage their case.”... Police in the affidavit said that a phone not reporting to the network could mean it was in airplane mode, turned off, or in an area without service. Levitan said that it’s impossible to know for sure that Kohberger turned off his phone unless someone called Kohberger during the two-hour period and the call records showed that his phone went straight to voicemail.

He added that if someone’s phone isn’t showing up on the network, all it means is that they didn’t receive any calls or texts or use any apps during that time period.”https://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html

They have the actual device. We've seen in countless cases on here the type of information they can gather from that, things like when a device was unlocked, when it was put on charge, when it entered airplane mode, when it was powered down, etc. It's all stored in the system logs.

Do you have a specific reason why that wouldn't be present here?

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Slippery slope. I resolved never to be tested-mostly because I don’t want my DNA to be utilized in the future for all sorts of things, including healthcare decisions. It will eventually come to that.

However, I’m pretty much screwed anyway.Odds are, someone, somewhere in my family tree is going to upload their DNA to a site. We will all end up in a database eventually. You can’t unring that bell. They are not tossing evidence. If it was BK’s DNA in the database, and he had opted out, maybe, just maybe, the defense could argue the point. But he personally has no standing.

Just the opposite here.
Did a 23&ME because my brother was NPE and he asked me to do it. But I requested my raw data and uploaded it to GEDmatch, based specifically on this case. If some far-flung relative committed a crime, I want them caught. Healthcare issues, I'm not one iota concerned. YMMV. Moo (and I hate writing MOO because I've had it up to here in all that bovine stuff!)

 

[jepop]

All MOO

I do not believe they have confirmed that nor not sure they ever will.

“But Levitan said a typical cellphone tower covers an area of 12 square miles. Someone could be miles away from the nearest cell tower, and Moscow is a roughly 3-by-5-mile town.

“You cannot pinpoint a person,” Levitan said about cellphone records. “There’s no chance any expert in the world can tell you where that person is located.”

Levitan added that the nearest cell tower to the King Road home covers an area of 27.3 square miles — the same size as nearly 14,000 football fields.

Moscow police said Kohberger’s historical phone records were pulled to determine whether Kohberger “stalked any of the victims” before the stabbings. Levitan said if authorities during the court proceedings try to show Kohberger visited the home 12 times, “they will be wrong and could damage their case.”... Police in the affidavit said that a phone not reporting to the network could mean it was in airplane mode, turned off, or in an area without service. Levitan said that it’s impossible to know for sure that Kohberger turned off his phone unless someone called Kohberger during the two-hour period and the call records showed that his phone went straight to voicemail.

He added that if someone’s phone isn’t showing up on the network, all it means is that they didn’t receive any calls or texts or use any apps during that time period.”https://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html

Logs, forensic phone analysis will be evidenced at trial. Imo

 

[arielilane]

For those that care

@cathyrusson

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