4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[Nila Aella]

That is your opinion. You should state that b/c we do not know for a fact his car was anywhere near that house. The 12 'pings' means he was somewhere in a 27 mile radius. Most of you act like those pings are the driveway of 1122 King Rd and that's not the case.

Yes the complete lack of evidence in his car all but guarantees that nobody escaped a crime scene in that specific car after stabbing four people to death. Some of you say he must of prepped his car but again this is real life where it doesn't work like that.


As for the DNA it was touch or transfer DNA which is NOTHING. If you use that DNA to lean towards guilt then you have to give equal weight to the LACK OF VICTIM DNA in his car. There is no way the perp did not carry a spec of one victims dna to their next location (be it the car, or they ran, etc). People do not realize how much his car was stripped and analyzed: seats, air vents, carpeting.

From the last hearing:
LE processed the car three times looking for what they expected to be there.
JMO

Something would have gone somewhere. And yet his car showed nothing and it also showed no evidence of cleaning agents. No shower curtain or shrink wrapping is going to cover that up. This is going to be a HUGE hurdle for the prosecution. AT can poke lots of holes in that touch DNA; the prosecution cannot create DNA.

We still don't know what BK will say do we? According to AT BF has exculpatory evidence or so she claims?

I've always thought it was odd also the the Police Chief loaded up the uhaul and drove it who know where?

I still think the 8 hour delay to call 911 is very odd.

But out of all of it, I find it all impossible that one guy with no connections went into a house with six cars in the driveway with nothing but a knife and somehow came out with not even a scratch. I say he didn't have a scratch b/c BK had a doctors appointment a couple days later and we'd of heard if he had cuts or bruises or the very least his students would of seen the cuts or bruises imo if he had any.

I find it odd they tried to have the house deep cleaned asap and AT had to put a stop to it.

I find it odd that they tore the house down asap.

So I'm not saying he's innocent but I do have reasonable doubt personally. I just hope the prosecution has a lot more than what we've seen so far. B/c if I was on the jury I would have reasonable doubt he did this.

All MOO

 

[jepop]

Well on 'cell phone expert' Sy Ray testified all of the evidence is exculpatory from he's seen. What CAST experts are you talking about? Idaho LE?

Imo, Sy Ray will have zero to say about BK's cell phone activity for the time of the crime because at trial it will be quickly established via logs that BK's phone was off during the two hours surrounding the crimes. This is Jmo but note how Ashley Jennings let this slip on day 1 of the recent hearings in Jan ( 23rd Jan during her final rebuttal IIRC).

And btw, I think you might be misrepresenting and over simplifying what SY Ray actually said at that MTC X 4 hearing last August. I, for one, am not taking your unsourced statements regarding his testimony as a fact even though you kinda present it as if it is. Jmo

 

[Balthazar]

And LE thought he would be returning to WSU according to the PCA exhibit for the apartment search warrant:

page 36
While I believe Kohberger is visiting family in Pennsylvania over the current school break at WSU, I believe he intends to return for the start of the next semester,so I expect his belongings to still be in his residence at 1630 NE Valley Rd, G201.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/search%20warrant%20for%20bryan%20kohberger%20apartment/ddb059f6cc8e24c1/full.pdf

JMO
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I think what you posted is very important because it makes it crystal clear that LE believed that BK was going to return to WSU after Christmas and that LE knew, just like thousands of other students, he had gone home to his parents house for Christmas and would come back afterwards. Despite this, LE chose to charge BK under a Fugitive Warrant, as though they believed he was trying to flee law enforcement. A Fugitive Warrant precludes the option to get bail but if someone goes on a trip with a plan to return home shortly, that does not make them a fugitive. A fugitive is defined as:

Under 18 U.S.C. § 921 , a fugitive from justice is defined as “any person who has fled from any State to avoid prosecution for a crime or avoid giving testimony in any criminal proceeding.”

fugitive from justice

www.law.cornell.edu

If BK was coming back to WSU after Christmas Break, he obviously had not fled from any state to avoid prosecution.

But LE got a Fugitive Arrest warrant despite this fact and a No-Knock Warrant as well, damaging the Kohberger home and terrorizing BK's innocent family.

But riddle me this: IF LE really believed that BK was a fugitive from justice, why didn't they charge his father and/or his entire family for hindering apprehension and harboring a fugitive?

All JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I think what you posted is very important because it makes it crystal clear that LE believed that BK was going to return to WSU after Christmas and that LE knew, just like thousands of other students, he had gone home to his parents house for Christmas and would come back afterwards. Despite this, LE chose to charge BK under a Fugitive Warrant, as though they believed he was trying to flee law enforcement. A Fugitive Warrant precludes the option to get bail but if someone goes on a trip with a plan to return home shortly, that does not make them a fugitive. A fugitive is defined as:

Under 18 U.S.C. § 921 , a fugitive from justice is defined as “any person who has fled from any State to avoid prosecution for a crime or avoid giving testimony in any criminal proceeding.”

fugitive from justice

www.law.cornell.edu

If BK was coming back to WSU after Christmas Break, he obviously had not fled from any state to avoid prosecution.

But LE got a Fugitive Arrest warrant despite this fact and a No-Knock Warrant as well, damaging the Kohberger home and terrorizing BK's innocent family.

But riddle me this: IF LE really believed that BK was a fugitive from justice, why didn't they charge his father and/or his entire family for hindering apprehension and harboring a fugitive?

All JMO.

They obtained the fugitive warrant simply because he was in another jurisdiction, and that was the mechanism for allowing him to be arrested in Pennsylvania. It has nothing to do with him fleeing from justice. This is the same type of warrant used to arrest Letecia Stauch in the murder of her stepson, Gannon. Everyone knew where she was, she made no effort to hide where she was, but that was the process used to facilitate her arrest in another state. Some people are reading way too much into this.

The no-knock warrant was entirely appropriate, as the concern was an armed quadruple murderer could present a danger, and/or attempt to destroy evidence.

The judge even alluded to law enforcement having a reason for this move, when the defense tried to make a big deal out of it.

Defense: "They knew he's walking around from room to room and that he had some kitchen gloves on. I don't think that equates necessarily to the destruction of.."

Judge: "Yeah, that's not all they knew, but I won't go into the detail in order to preserve the..."

 

[Nila Aella]

They obtained the fugitive warrant simply because he was in another jurisdiction, and that was the mechanism for allowing him to be arrested in Pennsylvania. It has nothing to do with him fleeing from justice. This is the same type of warrant used to arrest Letecia Stauch in the murder of her stepson, Gannon. Everyone knew where she was, she made no effort to hide where she was, but that was the process used to facilitate her arrest in another state. Some people are reading way too much into this.

The no-knock warrant was entirely appropriate, as the concern was an armed quadruple murderer could present a danger, and/or attempt to destroy evidence.

From the last hearing: Initially it was a knock and annouce, changed later to a no knock (no date or time) - what changed inbetween?
Destroy what evidence? Nothing in the car. The car was in the garage.
Some evidence in the house (for ten days) he was planning to destroy that night?
JMO

The judge even alluded to law enforcement having a reason for this move, when the defense tried to make a big deal out of it.

Defense: "They knew he's walking around from room to room and that he had some kitchen gloves on. I don't think that equates necessarily to the destruction of.."

Judge: "Yeah, that's not all they knew, but I won't go into the detail in order to preserve the..."

Yes they knew more than wearing gloves.
They saw him put garbage in a neighbors bin.
They saw him clean his car.
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

From the last hearing: Initially it was a knock and annouce, changed later to a no knock (no date or time) - what changed inbetween?
Destroy what evidence? Nothing in the car. The car was in the garage.
Some evidence in the house (for ten days) he was planning to destroy that night?
JMO

Yes they knew more than wearing gloves.
They saw him put garbage in a neighbors bin.
They saw him clean his car.
JMO

That was not the context of the conversation, and the judge was alluding to things we have not heard.

I cannot believe anyone thinks they should have knocked on the door. That is mind boggling to me.

 

[Arkay]

I cannot believe anyone thinks they should have knocked on the door. That is mind boggling to me.

Same.

LE had already amassed enough evidence to consider BK the suspect in a QUADRUPLE MURDER.

This was not the time for niceties. This was the time for immediate action.

Had police politely knocked on the door, how would they know he would not have fled the house? Or slaughtered his own family?

Tea and crumpets, smiles and backslaps were not the way to go.

IMO

 

[MassGuy]

Same.

LE had already amassed enough evidence to consider BK the suspect in a QUADRUPLE MURDER.

This was not the time for niceties. This was the time for immediate action.

Had police politely knocked on the door, how would they know he would not have fled the house? Or slaughtered his own family?

Tea and crumpets, smiles and backslaps were not the way to go.

IMO

“Let’s just risk our lives for absolutely no reason, and politely knock on the door of a potentially armed quadruple murderer, with nothing to lose.”

You take him outside, or you do it this way. There is no in between. I do think they felt compelled to do it right then, for reasons we are not privy too.

 

[wendy44]

All MOO

I will trust the cell phone expert's opinion over your opinion no offense.

But, Levitan said, when someone does show up in the coverage area of a cellphone tower, it doesn’t mean they were at the scene of the crime.

“Cellphone records as evidence are very reliable and useful, but it’s not DNA,” Levitan said in a follow-up email. “It doesn’t have the precision that would allow you to pinpoint a person’s phone. The best the state can say is that this phone was in a 27-square-mile area that includes the crime scene 12 times.”

Was it 27 square miles or 27 mile radius? Both have been mentioned and these are not the same.
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Prosecutor: More than 20,000 pieces of evidence given to Kohberger attorneys Prosecutor: More than 20,000 pieces of evidence given to Kohberger attorneys.​

MOSCOW, Idaho (Court TV) – Prosecutors in Idaho are firing back at the attorney representing Bryan Kohberger, saying they have handed over tens of thousands of reports, photographs and other evidence before a June preliminary hearing.

In a filing dated May 4, attorneys representing Kohberger filed a motion to compel discovery, saying the evidence they had requested from the state had not been delivered.

Prosecutors filed a response to the motion ahead of a scheduled May 22 hearing on the issue, saying that as of May 4, the Latah County Prosecutor’s Office had provided approximately:

• 10,000 pages of reports and other written materials
• 10,200 photographs
• 9,200 tips
• 51 terabytes of audio/visual media and digital materials

In their motion, attorneys representing Kohberger specifically pointed to bodycam and dashcam footage from officers involved in his arrest in Pennsylvania, reports detailing forensic evidence collected from his car and parents’ home and police reports related to his arrest and incarceration in Pennsylvania.

In response, the prosecution said all known items had been disclosed, and that the state was unaware of any footage beyond what was already disclosed, and “on information and belief, understands there is no body cam footage.” Prosecutors said the forensic reports on evidence collected at Kohberger’s family’s home and from his car, including reports from the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, were given to the defense, as well as the opportunity to directly view and inspect items seized as part of the investigation.

The only record prosecutors said they had not disclosed to the defense as requested were the training records for officers involved in the investigation, which the state argued in its response to the defense’s motion falls outside the scope of discovery.

Prosecutors dispute Kohberger defense claims to strike evidence from Idaho murder case

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article296705684.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article296705684.html

Prosecutors dispute Kohberger defense claims to strike evidence from Idaho murder case

Led by Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson, state attorneys argued in more than a dozen legal briefs — most of them sealed — that the evidence in question should remain available to them to prove Kohberger’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The briefs were submitted to the court last Friday, but those made public did not publish to an Idaho court’s website until late Thursday because the judge in the case took several days to review them, a court clerk told the Idaho Statesman. Prosecutors sought in the filings to thwart attempts by Kohberger’s defense to suppress certain evidence that police said ties the defendant to the November 2022 fatal stabbings of four University of Idaho students in Moscow.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article296705684.html#storylink=cpy

Should I say it louder?

• 10,000 pages of reports and other written materials
• 10,200 photographs
• 9,200 tips
• 51 terabytes of audio/visual media and digital materials

THERE IS ALOT OF EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE

 

[Cool Cats]

Was it 27 square miles or 27 mile radius? Both have been mentioned and these are not the same.
JMO

What is the difference?

 

[Gigiky]

A square mile is a unit of are. A radius is a measure of distance. I that makes any sense.

 

[Gigiky]

I so messed that last post up. I'm baking a cake and was trying to hurry.
A square mile is a unit of area. A radius is a measure of distance. If that makes sense.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

That was not the context of the conversation, and the judge was alluding to things we have not heard.

I cannot believe anyone thinks they should have knocked on the door. That is mind boggling to me.

It's an opinion that's just as valid as all others. There are many mind-boggling things about this case and the opinions surrounding it to me.

MOO.

 

[wendy44]

What is the difference?

27 mile radius is much, much larger, so it makes a big difference. 27 mile radius is 27 miles in any direction from the center of the circle. 27 square miles is an area where the number of miles of the length, multiplied by the number of miles of the width, equals the area. I hate math, so for example 5 miles by 5 miles is 25 square miles. Please correct me if I'm wrong, again, I hate math.
JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

“Let’s just risk our lives for absolutely no reason, and politely knock on the door of a potentially armed quadruple murderer, with nothing to lose.”

The opinion that a no-knock approach was the way to go is an understandable opinion, but I don't think we should minimize the alternative by saying it would have been for "absolutely no reason." No-knock warrants are known to be significantly traumatizing and put innocent individuals at risk of physical or psychological harm. This is how lifelong mental health symptoms develop in innocent bystanders.

The cops made a benefit-risk analysis, but I think it's short-sighted to consider the risk to be "absolutely no reason."

MOO.

 

[INfisherman]

27 mile radius is much, much larger, so it makes a big difference. 27 mile radius is 27 miles in any direction from the center of the circle. 27 square miles is an area where the number of miles of the length, multiplied by the number of miles of the width, equals the area. I hate math, so for example 5 miles by 5 miles is 25 square miles. Please correct me if I'm wrong, again, I hate math.
JMO

Respectfully, both may be compared. 27 square miles, leave that number alone. That is the value to compare against the circle with a 27mi radius. Solve the area of the circle using the radius & you will get the comparative number. I don’t mind math, I hate doing the calculations.

ETA it’s around 2300mi for the circle. Pi makes it a mess, as usual.

 

[MassGuy]

The opinion that a no-knock approach was the way to go is an understandable opinion, but I don't think we should minimize the alternative by saying it would have been for "absolutely no reason." No-knock warrants are known to be significantly traumatizing and put innocent individuals at risk of physical or psychological harm. This is how lifelong mental health symptoms develop in innocent bystanders.

The cops made a benefit-risk analysis, but I think it's short-sighted to consider the risk to be "absolutely no reason."

MOO.

I am against no-knock warrants in general, because of the heightened risk to all involved. We've also heard horror stories about police raiding the wrong house, or engaging with a legally armed homeowner who doesn't realize what is going on.

This was not your standard situation, as it involved a tactical team with line of sight, and some sort of situation that may have necessitated this being done then and there (reading between the lines, something else may have been going on).

They knew exactly where he was in that house, and what he was doing. Knocking, which would obviously tip him off, is far more dangerous in my view. They'd likely lose sight of him, and a lot of bad things can happen in those several seconds.

So yeah, I see "absolutely no reason" to take that risk.

 

[Cool Cats]

That was not the context of the conversation, and the judge was alluding to things we have not heard.

I cannot believe anyone thinks they should have knocked on the door. That is mind boggling to me.

Knocking on the door gets bullets shot into bullet proof vests.

27 mile radius is much, much larger, so it makes a big difference. 27 mile radius is 27 miles in any direction from the center of the circle. 27 square miles is an area where the number of miles of the length, multiplied by the number of miles of the width, equals the area. I hate math, so for example 5 miles by 5 miles is 25 square miles. Please correct me if I'm wrong, again, I hate math.
JMO

I hate math but this sounds too convoluted for a jury. I mean juries need to know the mileage and road conditions.

 

[MassGuy]

Knocking on the door gets bullets shot into bullet proof vests.



I hate math but this sounds too convoluted for a jury. I mean juries need to know the mileage and road conditions.

Any good CAST expert will break this down Barney style. They know how to explain this complicated technical stuff to a jury.

That’s been my experience following cases with their involvement anyway.