4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[INfisherman]

Knocking on the door gets bullets shot into bullet proof vests.



I hate math but this sounds too convoluted for a jury. I mean juries need to know the mileage and road conditions.

27 square miles vs just shy of 2300 square miles (for coverage of a radius with 27 miles). That’s as simple as I can make it. LOL

 

[Cool Cats]

I am against no-knock warrants in general, because of the heightened risk to all involved. We've also heard horror stories about police raiding the wrong house, or engaging with a legally armed homeowner who doesn't realize what is going on.

This was not your standard situation, as it involved a tactical team with line of sight, and some sort of situation that may have necessitated this being done then and there (reading between the lines, something else may have been going on).

They knew exactly where he was in that house, and what he was doing. Knocking, which would obviously tip him off, is far more dangerous in my view. They'd likely lose sight of him, and a lot of bad things can happen in those several seconds.

So yeah, I see "absolutely no reason" to take that risk.

Revealed: The chilling items seized from Bryan Kohberger's home

State police raided Bryan Kohberger’s family home in Pennsylvania in December and seized dozens of items, including a Glock handgun and three knives.

nypost.com

A gun, multiple knives, black face masks and gloves were among the dozens of chilling items that were seized from the Pennsylvania family home of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger, search warrants unsealed Wednesday revealed.

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[Arkay]

Any good CAST expert will break this down Barney style. They know how to explain this complicated technical stuff to a jury.

That’s been my experience following cases with their involvement anyway.

Hey MG, if you have any good connections over at PBS, could you persuade Sesame Street to discuss that “single” means “one?”

Then we could possibly all agree that there was only one, single, singular, sole source of DNA on the snap? Therefore no transfer or touch DNA from any other source than BK?

I know all of us posters are thirsting after the truth, and the truth is in the DNA.

IMO but also science!

 

[ShastaDaisy]

dbm

 

[INfisherman]

Hey MG, if you have any good connections over at PBS, could you persuade Sesame Street to discuss that “single” means “one?”

Then we could possibly all agree that there was only one, single, singular, sole source of DNA on the snap? Therefore no transfer or touch DNA from any other source than BK?

I know all of us posters are thirsting after the truth, and the truth is in the DNA.

IMO but also science!

Simplicity in the form of a little bit of common sense. It’s like the first drink of an ice cold beer on a hot summer day. So refreshing.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

27 square miles vs just shy of 2300 square miles (for coverage of a radius with 27 miles). That’s as simple as I can make it. LOL

Should I be embarrassed?

Nah

 

[wendy44]

Respectfully, both may be compared. 27 square miles, leave that number alone. That is the value to compare against the circle with a 27mi radius. Solve the area of the circle using the radius & you will get the comparative number. I don’t mind math, I hate doing the calculations.

ETA it’s around 2300mi for the circle. Pi makes it a mess, as usual.

Thank you--I was just genuinely wondering which one it was--27 square miles or 27 mile radius--since both were stated as what the experts were saying and that he could have been in his apartment 11 miles away. It's a pretty big difference in area.
JMO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Per BK's PA attorney,drive home was plannedDriving home at Christmas was always the plan.

(Michael) Kohberger arrived in Pennsylvania in mid-December, LaBar said. His father flew to Washington to make the drive back with his son in what LaBar said was a trip planned before the start of the school year. LaBar said father and son left Pullman sometime between Dec. 13 and Dec. 16 in an effort to beat the incoming snowstorm.

 

[Cool Cats]

Per BK's PA attorney,drive home was plannedDriving home at Christmas was always the plan.

(Michael) Kohberger arrived in Pennsylvania in mid-December, LaBar said. His father flew to Washington to make the drive back with his son in what LaBar said was a trip planned before the start of the school year. LaBar said father and son left Pullman sometime between Dec. 13 and Dec. 16 in an effort to beat the incoming snowstorm.

Then this tells me that BK thought he would be coming back to Washington for 2nd semester.

I think he eventually knew for sure he was not going back after the 1st semester was over. We have no idea what he told his family. He could have lied and simply said that this was not the right career path for him.

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[BeginnerSleuther]

I am against no-knock warrants in general, because of the heightened risk to all involved. We've also heard horror stories about police raiding the wrong house, or engaging with a legally armed homeowner who doesn't realize what is going on.

This was not your standard situation, as it involved a tactical team with line of sight, and some sort of situation that may have necessitated this being done then and there (reading between the lines, something else may have been going on).

They knew exactly where he was in that house, and what he was doing. Knocking, which would obviously tip him off, is far more dangerous in my view. They'd likely lose sight of him, and a lot of bad things can happen in those several seconds.

So yeah, I see "absolutely no reason" to take that risk.

The well-being of innocent bystanders is not "absolutely no reason" in my view.

MOO.

 

[INfisherman]

Should I be embarrassed?

Nah

Of course not. You wouldn’t have been the one in the imaginary purple dino costume either.

 

[mmeynstyn]

Thank you--I was just genuinely wondering which one it was--27 square miles or 27 mile radius--since both were stated as what the experts were saying and that he could have been in his apartment 11 miles away. It's a pretty big difference in area.
JMO

@CKS should respond as this is where BOTH numbers came from. Including BK's apartment being within that "radius???"

JMO, I think there is some confusion here and it isn't the latest math.

 

[Megnut]

I'm confused. Linear distance is only relative to one tower, right? But as soon as you add extra towers, you triangulate. But in any event, LE will no doubt also have GPS/satellite data which will be supremely accurate is plotting where BK's phone was while it was on. Those twelve loops? If hid phone was on, IMO LE knows exactly how close BK was to the 1122 house. And so does AT. She just doesn't want the public to know she knows.

JMO

 

[AcousticViper]

Defendant's own Strava activity shows he can run a mile in, what was it, 6 minutes? Good luck to any outdoor SRT member laden with tactical gear should he opt to flee. Hasty home entry likely the best option, holding in mind he is a quadruple murder suspect plus indication of evidence destruction — that is, moving room to room wearing latex, not rubber, gloves. Gloves unsuitable for washing cutlery/plates, no matter what Jay Lodgson asserts.

 

[technicallymissing]

Defendant's own Strava activity shows he can run a mile in, what was it, 6 minutes? Good luck to any outdoor SRT member laden with tactical gear should he opt to flee. Hasty home entry likely the best option, holding in mind he is a quadruple murder suspect plus indication of evidence destruction — that is, moving room to room wearing latex, not rubber, gloves. Gloves unsuitable for washing cutlery/plates, no matter what Jay Lodgson asserts.

Quadruple murder suspect who was alleged to have killed the 4 people with a knife (rather than a gun/something "easier") in 10-15 minutes max! Along with everything you mentioned... difficult to imagine a scenario more demanding of a no-knock warrant than this one was. jmo

 

[schooling]

I am against no-knock warrants in general, because of the heightened risk to all involved. We've also heard horror stories about police raiding the wrong house, or engaging with a legally armed homeowner who doesn't realize what is going on.

This was not your standard situation, as it involved a tactical team with line of sight, and some sort of situation that may have necessitated this being done then and there (reading between the lines, something else may have been going on).

They knew exactly where he was in that house, and what he was doing. Knocking, which would obviously tip him off, is far more dangerous in my view. They'd likely lose sight of him, and a lot of bad things can happen in those several seconds.

So yeah, I see "absolutely no reason" to take that risk.

Exactly,

What percentage of our population is capable of a quadruple murder?

If there's ever an exceptional case, this is it.

 

[Cool Cats]

Exactly,

What percentage of our population is capable of a quadruple murder?

If there's ever an exceptional case, this is it.

OMG.

A guy was operating a meth lab next to my house - normal suburban neighborhood.

Swat was going berserk. This unfortunately happens alot to err on the side of caution protocal.

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[Soulmagent]

IMO, he probably had a sense that his stint as a TA was ending. He'd been disciplined and also given an improvement plan that he failed.

He probably told his dad some lie about wanting to drive in and his dad offered to help drive (which I did one time for my daughter the same).

He had no intentions of letting his car be seen in Pullman any more. He'd change license plates to Washington so that there was a plate on the front and the back and he probably thought this covered him.

Then the 2 pullovers in Indiana and he probably thought they were onto him. By the way, if it was just a check, the cops did a good job disguising it. Good acting job there.

I would fly out and drive back for my collage kid. I would. I pay for plane tickets for her every 3 or four years. Its true. I keep my grandkids and support her healthy life ambitions when she need me too. At 27 she had already had a mortgage.
This dad IMO was not clueless at the first stop but by the second police stop . He was catching up.

 

[Arkay]

Exactly,

What percentage of our population is capable of a quadruple murder?

If there's ever an exceptional case, this is it.

For all the police in Pa. knew, if he was the prime suspect in a quadruple murder of strangers in Idaho, he could conceivably have duplicated that in a family annihilation. A mother, a father and two sisters? I don’t remember if both sisters were there, but LE could not take the chance that he’d kill his four family members in a replay of his earlier quadruple murder.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I would fly out and drive back for my collage kid. I would. I pay for plane tickets for her every 3 or four years. Its true. I keep my grandkids and support her healthy life ambitions when she need me too. At 27 she had already had a mortgage.
This dad IMO was not clueless at the first stop but by the second police stop . He was catching up.

His poor dad also drove to Pullman with him and settled him into his apartment and according to the neighbor he encouraged the neighbor to be friendly with him.

BK

really hurt his family and I feel for them.

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