4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[Megnut]

I went to Church on Sunday. The Church is to the NW but I left toward the SE, and even though my car was in fact pointed away from Church, I was never going anywhere but Church. Why did I go the long way? To avoid a long traffic light.

Two things can be true.

BK left Pullman, turned away from Moscow, but ultimately progressed to there.

There is no deceit in that. LE might not know every turn he took to be able to assert he got there somehow.

That we're talking about an event which occurred an hour before the crimes makes it even more irrelevant IMO. Maybe he circled home for something and went out again, turning in opposite directions. All it really shows is that he was still Pullman and had plenty of time to get to Moscow. Time to kill... before it was his time to kill.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

I have to admit, while listening to AT during the hearing, one of the things that crossed my mind was that old saying: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bs."

JMO

Unfortunately for "Bryan", it seems as though she was unable to pull off either one.

MOO

 

[jepop]

Yes, that is the P response.
JMO

It did aid LE. They knew he was not near the residence before writing the PCA (draft cast). And according to AT, the final draft says the same. Inbetween, additonal information came in supporting that he was not near the residence.

Did the PCA exhibit ever change to reflect this?
JMO

AT referenced the draft CAST.
LE has connected BK, phone, and car.
JMO

The hearing was about the PCA and the information that LE knew at the time.
At the time LE wrote the PCA exhibit, the draft CAST data shows he was not near the residence.
JMO

Where in Moscow is relevant.
JMO

ATs argument is about what was included and about the omission.
Heading toward Moscow vs. heading away from Moscow.
The arrow on the map is pointed toward Moscow.
Timing difference between draft CAST and PCA.
The omission (that he was not near the house)

Would love to hear what Judge M thought when reading that portion of the PCA exhibit.

JMO

On your last points, I wasn't addressing the Pullman video, just AT's accusations that investigators deliberately sought to mislead judge by including those 11 late night/ early am phone pings in Moscow. We can agree to disagree. I think AT's argument is flawed and accusations unfounded. There is no reason why that info should have been excluded, given what was then known. Late night and early am was relevant. Jmo

ETA there is no omission argument for the 11 late night/ early am pings Imo. Investigators can't omit in the negative, ie info that wasn't there to begin with. The only rational argument would be for exclusion of the pings entirely. If AT was arguing for omission of other info re the prior phone pings then that appears flawed from a logical stand point. JMO

 

[INfisherman]

I went to Church on Sunday. The Church is to the NW but I left toward the SE, and even though my car was in fact pointed away from Church, I was never going anywhere but Church. Why did I go the long way? To avoid a long traffic light.

Two things can be true.

BK left Pullman, turned away from Moscow, but ultimately progressed to there.

There is no deceit in that. LE might not know every turn he took to be able to assert he got there somehow.

That we're talking about an event which occurred an hour before the crimes makes it even more irrelevant IMO. Maybe he circled home for something and went out again, turning in opposite directions. All it really shows is that he was still Pullman and had plenty of time to get to Moscow. Time to kill... before it was his time to kill.

JMO

It’s all in how facts are represented. IMO that’s where half truths &/or telling the complete order of events comes into play. My youngest child thought he was a master at this. What he didn’t realize was his father had a propensity for detecting utter BS coming from the mouths of minors.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Asking out of ignorance, but won’t GPS data be separate from tower data & even more accurate if it’s available? I am under the impression those are 2 distinctly separate things using 2 different means for location. Thoughts, if any?

I can't quote his post, because it was many many moons ago, but I think @schooling discussed the GPS data. Maybe he can jump in here and answer more concisely. Here are some screen shots of some of my research about this:

I first noticed this on : https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...ts-Motions-Suppress-Motion-Franks-Hearing.pdf


and I looked up this on AI:


Also, I'm fairly certain they have his phone, but I don't know why I'm certain.

 

[INfisherman]

I can't quote his post, because it was many many moons ago, but I think @schooling discussed the GPS data. Maybe he can jump in here and answer more concisely. Here are some screen shots of some of my research about this:

I first noticed this on : https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...ts-Motions-Suppress-Motion-Franks-Hearing.pdf

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and I looked up this on AI:

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Also, I'm fairly certain they have his phone, but I don't know why I'm certain.

Thank you. I’m familiar with the basics of what Cellebrite does - was covered in other cases prior to this one but I do appreciate the additional input. I was mainly concerned with confirming my understanding in that there are multiple means of determining cell phone location & not necessarily using only tower data. For example, I am super familiar with how GPS works in mapping & devices which aren’t cell phones. I didn’t wish to just assume that sort of tech/methodology also applied to cell phones as well. I hope that makes some sort of sense.

 

[Balthazar]

Revealed: The chilling items seized from Bryan Kohberger's home

State police raided Bryan Kohberger’s family home in Pennsylvania in December and seized dozens of items, including a Glock handgun and three knives.

nypost.com

A gun, multiple knives, black face masks and gloves were among the dozens of chilling items that were seized from the Pennsylvania family home of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger, search warrants unsealed Wednesday revealed.

2 Cents

I think most people have that stuff. They are hardly "chilling items." JMO.

 

[Megnut]

Thank you. I’m familiar with the basics of what Cellebrite does - was covered in other cases prior to this one but I do appreciate the additional input. I was mainly concerned with confirming my understanding in that there are multiple means of determining cell phone location & not necessarily using only tower data. For example, I am super familiar with how GPS works in mapping & devices which aren’t cell phones. I didn’t wish to just assume that sort of tech/methodology also applied to cell phones as well. I hope that makes some sort of sense.

Yes, cellphones have it too. And from what I've seen in other trials, GPS still tracks even in airplane mode.

Based on the revelation from the hearing last week, BK's phone was turned off during the timespan the murders occurred but his usage history will be interesting. The hows and whens and whethers and whys.

JMO

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Thank you. I’m familiar with the basics of what Cellebrite does - was covered in other cases prior to this one but I do appreciate the additional input. I was mainly concerned with confirming my understanding in that there are multiple means of determining cell phone location & not necessarily using only tower data. For example, I am super familiar with how GPS works in mapping & devices which aren’t cell phones. I didn’t wish to just assume that sort of tech/methodology also applied to cell phones as well. I hope that makes some sort of sense.

Yes, we've all (probably) seen a few cases on here where Cellebrite has come into play. I know one of you GENIUSES on this particular case had talked about how GPS data still happens, EVEN IF THE PHONE IS OFF. And how you basically have to TURN IT OFF yourself intentionally, or it's just automatically on. I want it to be @schooling that talked about it, but it might have been @MassGuy or even somebody else. Personally, I use the moon and stars to locate myself, (and I'm REALLY PO'd that AT tried to use that as an alibi) , but I understand that my cell phone can locate me using magical GPS.

 

[INfisherman]

Yes, cellphones have it too. And from what I've seen in other trials, GPS still tracks even in airplane mode.

Based on the revelation from the hearing last week, BK's phone was turned off during the timespan the murders occurred but his usage history will be interesting. The hows and whens and whethers and whys.

JMO

Yes, thank you. Simply wished to be assumed an idiot rather than open my mouth & remove all doubt but admittedly there are times when even that doesn’t do the trick.

 

[Cool Cats]

I think most people have that stuff. They are hardly "chilling items." JMO.

The swat team went in with the possibility this guy had taken maybe even these knives and ripped into and killed 4 students. With the possibility of him shooting himself or his family or trying to escape and cause more mayhem. The witness saw a black face mask maybe gloves.

Under these circumstances I do not understand how you can nonchalantly say that these specific items are not "chilling items."

2 Cents.

Maybe I'm "different" but they chill me to the bone.

 

[INfisherman]

The swat team went in with the possibility this guy had taken maybe even these knives and ripped into and killed 4 students. With the possibility of him shooting himself or his family or trying to escape and cause more mayhem. The witness saw a black face mask maybe gloves.

Under these circumstances I do not understand how you can nonchalantly say that these specific items are not "chilling items."

2 Cents.

Maybe I'm "different" but they chill me to the bone.

Particularly when nobody else’s (not most people’s) was discovered at the scene of a quadruple homicide.

Just for the record, if a head with a black mask ever pokes through the doggie door, it will not be mine, as I’ve never owned a black face mask.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, we've all (probably) seen a few cases on here where Cellebrite has come into play. I know one of you GENIUSES on this particular case had talked about how GPS data still happens, EVEN IF THE PHONE IS OFF. And how you basically have to TURN IT OFF yourself intentionally, or it's just automatically on. I want it to be @schooling that talked about it, but it might have been @MassGuy or even somebody else. Personally, I use the moon and stars to locate myself, (and I'm REALLY PO'd that AT tried to use that as an alibi) , but I understand that my cell phone can locate me using magical GPS.

Fine. They can find me and my muffin top at Bake and Cakes.

 

[wendy44]

S&BBM

They obtained the fugitive warrant simply because he was in another jurisdiction, and that was the mechanism for allowing him to be arrested in Pennsylvania. It has nothing to do with him fleeing from justice. This is the same type of warrant used to arrest Letecia Stauch in the murder of her stepson, Gannon. Everyone knew where she was, she made no effort to hide where she was, but that was the process used to facilitate her arrest in another state. Some people are reading way too much into this.

I wonder how different her trial may have gone if she'd had AT. And how different BK's would be now if he had hers. Truly one of the worst opening statements I've ever seen--starting with saying how horrible the crime was and how horrible his client is, then saying, you know what, this is a lost cause and pretending to give up and walk out. Then coming back in dramatically and saying he can't quit, he has to do his job and rambling about wars being fought over this.

I understand he had to argue the vampire-council-made-me-do-it defense, but this was really bad and it only went downhill from there. BK is truly fortunate to have such a stellar public defender.
JMO

 

[Balthazar]

The swat team went in with the possibility this guy had taken maybe even these knives and ripped into and killed 4 students. With the possibility of him shooting himself or his family or trying to escape and cause more mayhem. The witness saw a black face mask maybe gloves.

Under these circumstances I do not understand how you can nonchalantly say that these specific items are not "chilling items."

2 Cents.

Maybe I'm "different" but they chill me to the bone.

At this point, we really don't know what DM saw.

But as to the items, maybe you don't live in the USA because they are all normal household items that the vast majority of Americans would have in their homes.

A gun, but no bullets - well I would think the majority of gun owners have bullets, but in this case, no. So that's a huge nothing. Obviously BK was not planning on shooting anyone with a gun.

A few random knives - most Americans own dozens of knives for all kinds of purposes.

Black masks - Black ski masks in an area where it snows a lot, black covid-19 masks, nothing scary about any of that.

Gloves: Playtex Living Gloves, medical gloves/food service gloves, snow gloves. All seem very normal to me for pretty much any household in America.

And absolutely none of the items were tied to the murders in any way. So they are just a bunch of non-evidence in this crime. That's why I'm nonchalant about them. The items proved nothing whatsoever.

 

[fcavanaugh]

I think most people have that stuff. They are hardly "chilling items." JMO.

Well to each their own but considering the context here-
the horrific, gruesome murder of four innocent college students, and the fact that some of the items collected from the murder suspect’s family home included what witness DM described the intruder/killer wearing, as well as items similar to the likely murder weapon the murderer of four innocent college students used to slaughter them to death…is pretty darned chilling to me…

IMHOO

 

[Cool Cats]

At this point, we really don't know what DM saw.

But as to the items, maybe you don't live in the USA because they are all normal household items that the vast majority of Americans would have in their homes.

A gun, but no bullets - well I would think the majority of gun owners have bullets, but in this case, no. So that's a huge nothing. Obviously BK was not planning on shooting anyone with a gun.

A few random knives - most Americans own dozens of knives for all kinds of purposes.

Black masks - Black ski masks in an area where it snows a lot, black covid-19 masks, nothing scary about any of that.

Gloves: Playtex Living Gloves, medical gloves/food service gloves, snow gloves. All seem very normal to me for pretty much any household in America.

And absolutely none of the items were tied to the murders in any way. So they are just a bunch of non-evidence in this crime. That's why I'm nonchalant about them. The items proved nothing whatsoever.

Are you serious?

Swat teams can read minds?

EXAMPLE:

This guy is our one and only suspect who possibly in a frenzy, stabbed God only knows how many times, 4 college students to death and had knives and guns in his house.

But we know with all certainty the guns and knives and mask were used to cut carrots, shoot rabid squirrels and used to disguise himself when getting into his neighbor's trash cans.

No foul play here.

2 Cents

 

[Arkay]

Revealed: The chilling items seized from Bryan Kohberger's home

State police raided Bryan Kohberger’s family home in Pennsylvania in December and seized dozens of items, including a Glock handgun and three knives.

nypost.com

A gun, multiple knives, black face masks and gloves were among the dozens of chilling items that were seized from the Pennsylvania family home of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger, search warrants unsealed Wednesday revealed.

2 Cents

I think most people have that stuff. They are hardly "chilling items." JMO.

IMO it’s very dependent on context.

I don’t have anything to do with guns. The only face masks I’ve ever had were due to Covid. My knives are in my home, used in food preparation.

Also I haven’t been driving contemporaneously near a murder scene, been described by a survivor, nor left my DNA on an obscure part of a knife sheath under the body of someone knifed to death.

Therefore IMO, these things found at Bryan’s home are indeed chilling. They magnify what appear to be his means and method.

Just like if I were seen on a Home Depot video, for example, purchasing a trash can. Innocuous if there is nothing in it but my trash, yet telling if a dead body is later found stuffed within.

JMO

ETA @fcavanaugh just saw your post after I posted. Completely agree.

 

[INfisherman]

The items proved nothing whatsoever.

They sure didn’t make him look any more innocent given the circumstances at the time. We’ve yet to even get to trial, so it’s a bit difficult to say the items, along with other evidence, won’t mean anything to a jury. One thing is certain, we shall see, unless he ends up folding & cops a plea to save his rear. He’s got around 5 months to consider things though.

MOO

 

[Gigiky]

I believe he's to smug to cop a plea, even on the advice of his defense team. JMO.