4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[StarryStarryNight]

BK's father clearly loves and cares for him, but I don't believe BK has any genuine care or love for anyone else (as he stated in his chats, void of emotion, sees people as pieces of meat).

I don't think he'd heed any advice from his father if it was in opposition to his own thoughts.

jmo

I did not know BK referred to people as “pieces of meat” in his chats.
That’s very chilling.
Eric Harris of Columbine infamy wrote similar things in his journal. Harris felt he was vastly superior to everyone else on the planet and it was a shame he had to deal with people so stupid everyday. He saw people as no more than game pieces on a giant board game for him to manipulate as he saw fit. There was no humanity in his thinking at all. He was a stone cold violent psychopath unfortunately only diagnosed after his crime.
I do believe BK thinks similarly and believes he is the smartest guy in the room and that he could pull off the perfect crime. The fact that people were killed and families hurt by his actions never crossed his mind. That didn’t matter to him. People existed for him to play with. Pawns on his game board.
He never foresaw having to sit in court and listen to “pieces of meat” drone on about him. It must be torture for him. Good.



Opinion of course

 

[Boxer]

I did not know BK referred to people as “pieces of meat” in his chats.
That’s very chilling.
Eric Harris of Columbine infamy wrote similar things in his journal. Harris felt he was vastly superior to everyone else on the planet and it was a shame he had to deal with people so stupid everyday. He saw people as no more than game pieces on a giant board game for him to manipulate as he saw fit. There was no humanity in his thinking at all. He was a stone cold violent psychopath unfortunately only diagnosed after his crime.
I do believe BK thinks similarly and believes he is the smartest guy in the room and that he could pull off the perfect crime. The fact that people were killed and families hurt by his actions never crossed his mind. That didn’t matter to him. People existed for him to play with. Pawns on his game board.
He never foresaw having to sit in court and listen to “pieces of meat” drone on about him. It must be torture for him. Good.



Opinion of course

Hopefully is the freezer for him.

 

[Balthazar]

SBM--where does the defense say this? Do you have a time stamp for that?
JMO

First off, it was not the defense but the prosecution, specifically AJ who said DM consistently described the intruder as a man, white, wearing all black, with a mask that covered his entire head except for his eyes, height was her height (DM is 5'8") or taller. DM heard a voice she did not recognize.

7:19 When shown a picture of BK, DM did not recognize the defendant (per AJ). Then AJ claims it is "clear" from the PCA that DM "was not going to recognize the defendant." IMO, it is not clear from the PCA that DM wouldn't recognize the defendant. IF DM got a good look at his eyes as claimed in the PCA, she should remember the shape of his eyes and his bushy eyebrows.

7:20 AJ lists what the man DM claimed to see in the house looked like from a piece of paper that contained DM's actual description.

7:21:20 In regards to height, AJ said, DM said the man she saw was her height (5'8") or taller. BK is at least 6' tall. There is a HUGE difference between 5'8" and 5'10" which is stated in the PCA. and an even bigger visual difference between 5'8" and 6'. 6' could not be mistaken for 5'8". DM described a slim, skinny, lean build, not an athletic build as stated in the PCA. So here we have an eyewitness saying the man was her height which would make him around 5'6" to maybe 5'10" and that he was slim, skinny and lean. This does NOT describe BK at all. But then DM told LE she may have dreamed it all, she wasn't sure.

What I found most interesting was that nowhere in this description did AJ mention that DM stated the man had bushy eyebrows. AJ had just looked at DM's exact description on a piece of paper. So now, I have to ask, was bushy eyebrows NOT a part of DM's actual description of the man?

Without question, AJ has proven and affirmed to the court that the description that DM gave is NOT the description of the man in the PCA. Further, there are only two points of data that match BK: that the person DM saw was male and white. Nothing else matches BK at all and indeed DM could not identify BK.

Around 7:47, AT is now rebutting AJ's presentation. DM claimed 4 times in a row, she heard KG walk upstairs and then come running down the stairs in her interview on Nov. 13, 2024. The problem with this is that is impossible as KG was dead. DM made many references to not remembering what she saw or what happened and being drunk made bon Nov. 13 and on subsequent interviews, none of which was stated in the PCA.

 

[MassGuy]

First off, it was not the defense but the prosecution, specifically AJ who said DM consistently described the intruder as a man, white, wearing all black, with a mask that covered his entire head except for his eyes, height was her height (DM is 5'8") or taller. DM heard a voice she did not recognize.

7:19 When shown a picture of BK, DM did not recognize the defendant (per AJ). Then AJ claims it is "clear" from the PCA that DM "was not going to recognize the defendant." IMO, it is not clear from the PCA that DM wouldn't recognize the defendant. IF DM got a good look at his eyes as claimed in the PCA, she should remember the shape of his eyes and his bushy eyebrows.

7:20 AJ lists what the man DM claimed to see in the house looked like from a piece of paper that contained DM's actual description.

7:21:20 In regards to height, AJ said, DM said the man she saw was her height (5'8") or taller. BK is at least 6' tall. There is a HUGE difference between 5'8" and 5'10" which is stated in the PCA. and an even bigger visual difference between 5'8" and 6'. 6' could not be mistaken for 5'8". DM described a slim, skinny, lean build, not an athletic build as stated in the PCA. So here we have an eyewitness saying the man was her height which would make him around 5'6" to maybe 5'10" and that he was slim, skinny and lean. This does NOT describe BK at all. But then DM told LE she may have dreamed it all, she wasn't sure.

What I found most interesting was that nowhere in this description did AJ mention that DM stated the man had bushy eyebrows. AJ had just looked at DM's exact description on a piece of paper. So now, I have to ask, was bushy eyebrows NOT a part of DM's actual description of the man?

Without question, AJ has proven and affirmed to the court that the description that DM gave is NOT the description of the man in the PCA. Further, there are only two points of data that match BK: that the person DM saw was male and white. Nothing else matches BK at all and indeed DM could not identify BK.

Around 7:47, AT is now rebutting AJ's presentation. DM claimed 4 times in a row, she heard KG walk upstairs and then come running down the stairs in her interview on Nov. 13, 2024. The problem with this is that is impossible as KG was dead. DM made many references to not remembering what she saw or what happened and being drunk made bon Nov. 13 and on subsequent interviews, none of which was stated in the PCA.

This is absolutely meaningless, even if the defense's claims are true, which they are likely not (almost certainly cherrypicked).

The man she described was consistent with BK, not that this case hinges in the slightest on witness identification of the suspect. She's drunk, it's dark, he's concealed, and she's traumatized.

Also, slim, skinny, and lean, are synonymous with "athletic" for many people.

It's the same as saying "in shape."

Trust me, repeat what the defense claims all you want, but it will crumble fast at trial. This is all standard stuff.

 

[Arkay]

In regards to height, AJ said, DM said the man she saw was her height (5'8") or taller. BK is at least 6' tall. There is a HUGE difference between 5'8" and 5'10" which is stated in the PCA. and an even bigger visual difference between 5'8" and 6'. 6' could not be mistaken for 5'8

Doesn’t “or taller” mean “or taller?”

IMO regardless, DM’s testimony is not going to be the main identifying factor. That would be the incriminating DNA.

I know you don’t agree, which is your right.

We will agree to disagree, because I believe that DNA pinned down the suspect.

BK, at that time and in that place.

IMO

ETA: just saw MG’s post above. I have known my boyfriend for 30 years. I always say he’s “lanky,” while he declares himself to be “rangy.” There’s a wide variation in how people describe a certain body type. BK fits the parameters of lean AND athletic, IMO.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

It is incredibly common for serial offenders (killers and arsonists) to return to the scene of the crime (I've said all along that I believe he was behaving like one). They get off on watching the police response. It has nothing to do with having a PHD in criminology, or being intelligent in general. It's a compulsion, not unlike the murders themselves.

They wouldn't mention the phone data if it was that vague. I assure you, it will be more specific than you can imagine.

Yes! Ian Huntley, who killed two 11yr old girls in the UK in 2002, was caught out by the interviews he gave to the press whilst pretending to be a concerned citizen. He just couldn't help himself.

BK was very likely already some kind of voyeur, imo, he would t have been able to resist!

 

[Megnut]

We get to draw conclusions here all we like, but for the jury, it's not evidence until it's admitted at trial or presented under oath, via direct testimony, subject to cross.

And the jury will decide what weight, if any, to give what they hear and see.

DM saw a figure. LE developed a latent footprint in the very place DM said she saw someone...

IME juries love corroboration. Circumstantial evidence upon circumstantial evidence upon circumstantial evidence.

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

This is absolutely meaningless, even if the defense's claims are true, which they are likely not (almost certainly cherrypicked).

The man she described was consistent with BK, not that this case hinges in the slightest on witness identification of the suspect. She's drunk, it's dark, he's concealed, and she's traumatized.

Also, slim, skinny, and lean, are synonymous with "athletic" for many people.

It's the same as saying "in shape."

Trust me, repeat what the defense claims all you want, but it will crumble fast at trial. This is all standard stuff.

These were NOT the defenses claims almost ALL of this was stated by the prosecution - specifically Ashley Jennings, Deputy Prosecutor. You may not believe AJ, but AJ was reading DM's description of the man DM saw from a piece of paper. I would expect that AJ has the correct information about DM's description. And AJ told us that DM did not recognize BK from his photo either.

The thing that was stated in this hearing by AT that gave me the most pause was that Murphy was found by LE in KG's room (6:31 in video I linked above). The door to KG's room was wide open AND the door to MM's room where the bodies were on the 3rd floor was also wide open (as was the door to XK's bedroom.) There was no blood on Murphy and no bloody dog prints in the house but we know that the crime scenes were a bloody mess. I don't know if you have ever owned a dog, but that's extraordinarily out of character behavior for a dog unless they are drugged. Given this information, I think back to Mrs. G finding that applesauce packet in KG's trash and think that they should have notified LE immediately so LE could have had it tested for drugs and fingerprints and other trace evidence. People often use those applesauce packets to give their dogs medication. I think LE should have had Murphy tested for drugs given the situation in which he was found - around noon and sitting in a room he could have left very close to a room where the murders took place, where KG's body was. I wonder if DM and BF were questioned about if Murphy was barking that morning to eat and go outside? I hope that was done. We won't know until we see all of the discovery. All JMO but I think anyone who owns a dog would agree with me that dogs wake very early and want to potty and eat first thing in the morning and that it would be highly unusual for a dog to passively sit in one room while his owner was in another room when the doors to both rooms were wide open.

All JMO, MOO.

 

[dkaras]

..... Murphy was found by LE in KG's room (6:31 in video I linked above). The door to KG's room was wide open AND the door to MM's room where the bodies were on the 3rd floor was also wide open (as was the door to XK's bedroom.) There was no blood on Murphy and no bloody dog prints in the house but we know that the crime scenes were a bloody mess. I don't know if you have ever owned a dog, but that's extraordinarily out of character behavior for a dog unless they are drugged. Given this information, I think back to Mrs. G finding that applesauce packet in KG's trash and think that they should have notified LE immediately so LE could have had it tested for drugs and fingerprints and other trace evidence. People often use those applesauce packets to give their dogs medication. I think LE should have had Murphy tested for drugs given the situation in which he was found - around noon and sitting in a room he could have left very close to a room where the murders took place, where KG's body was. I wonder if DM and BF were questioned about if Murphy was barking that morning to eat and go outside? I hope that was done. We won't know until we see all of the discovery. All JMO but I think anyone who owns a dog would agree with me that dogs wake very early and want to potty and eat first thing in the morning and that it would be highly unusual for a dog to passively sit in one room while his owner was in another room when the doors to both rooms were wide open.

All JMO, MOO.

SBM

I forgot about the applesauce packet, and that's a good point about medicating the dog using applesauce. I agree that Murphy should have been tested, hopefully he was. Poor boy.

However, I disagree that Murphy would have been running around making bloody paw prints even if not drugged. I've seen a traumatized dog before, and if Murphy was traumatized he might have just stayed still for hours. Without going into great detail, a dog I used to have was in the house that was broken into and trashed, she was possibly hit or kicked (but thankfully not injured if she was). She was hiding in a closet, door wide open, several hours later and wouldn't come out. Poor baby.

 

[Balthazar]

Doesn’t “or taller” mean “or taller?”

She apparently said her own height or taller - which would indicate someone very close in height to her, not someone 6', not someone 5 inches taller. JMO.

IMO regardless, DM’s testimony is not going to be the main identifying factor. That would be the incriminating DNA.

Now that we know what DM said compared to the PCA, it is troubling.

I know you don’t agree, which is your right.

We will agree to disagree, because I believe that DNA pinned down the suspect.

The US Military does not allow use of transfer, trace or touch DNA in Military Court proceedings and many countries also do not allow it.https://www.court-martial-ucmj.com/dna-is-touch-or-transfer-dna-reliable-evidence-of-guilt/

With my background, I side with the US Military on this issue.

I also have to wonder why only the sheath's DNA had IGG done on it when there was blood on the bannister and blood on a glove outside 1122. IMO DNA from bodily fluids is much stronger evidence than transfer, trace or touch DNA.

BK, at that time and in that place.

IMO

ETA: just saw MG’s post above. I have known my boyfriend for 30 years. I always say he’s “lanky,” while he declares himself to be “rangy.” There’s a wide variation in how people describe a certain body type. BK fits the parameters of lean AND athletic, IMO.

I agree BK is athletic and lean but that's not what DM said according to Ashley Jennings. AJ said DM said skinny, thin and lean. I would not describe BK as skinny or thin. That's a completely different body type. Here's a photo of BK on Jan 5, 2023, not long after he was arrested. As you can see, he is in no way thin or skinny.

Moscow, Idaho, USA. 5th Jan, 2023. BRYAN KOHBERGER, right, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November 2022, appears at a hearing in Latah County District Court, Thursday. (Credit Image: © Ted S. Warren/POOL via ZUMA Press

Download this stock image: Moscow, Idaho, USA. 5th Jan, 2023. BRYAN KOHBERGER, right, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November 2022, appears at a hearing in Latah County District Court, Thursday. (Credit Image: © Ted S. Warren/POOL via ZUMA Press Wire Service) -...

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I would describe him as muscular, athletic, medium build, not fat. Here's a side view - he clearly is not thin or skinny. His legs and arms look bigger around and more muscular than those of the men escorting him:

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Newly released body camera video, obtained by ABC News, shows police responding to an alleged home invasion, which took place October 2021 in Pullman, Washington a little over a year before and about 10 miles from where four University of Idaho students were fatally stabbed in their off campus...

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[SpiderFalcon]

height was her height (DM is 5'8") or taller.

That's not what AJ said, or what DM said, that we know of. What AJ said was "slim, skinny, lean build, was taller than she was, is, around 5'8". IMO, when she said "around 5'8"", AJ was saying DM is "around 5'8" ". She never said DM said the suspect was her height or taller.

 

[Nila Aella]

That's not what AJ said, or what DM said, that we know of. What AJ said was "slim, skinny, lean build, was taller than she was, is, around 5'8". IMO, when she said "around 5'8"", AJ was saying DM is "around 5'8" ". She never said DM said the suspect was her height or taller.

From the hearing

2:02:00
AJ
interviews she described seeing someone wearing all

black, a mask, with only a portion of their face showing

visible, this person was male, white, she heard a voice that was not something

that she recognized, the person was a slim skinny lean

build, and the person was about was taller than she was is around

5'8.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

First off, it was not the defense but the prosecution, specifically AJ who said DM consistently described the intruder as a man, white, wearing all black, with a mask that covered his entire head except for his eyes, height was her height (DM is 5'8") or taller. DM heard a voice she did not recognize.

7:19 When shown a picture of BK, DM did not recognize the defendant (per AJ). Then AJ claims it is "clear" from the PCA that DM "was not going to recognize the defendant." IMO, it is not clear from the PCA that DM wouldn't recognize the defendant. IF DM got a good look at his eyes as claimed in the PCA, she should remember the shape of his eyes and his bushy eyebrows.

7:20 AJ lists what the man DM claimed to see in the house looked like from a piece of paper that contained DM's actual description.

7:21:20 In regards to height, AJ said, DM said the man she saw was her height (5'8") or taller. BK is at least 6' tall. There is a HUGE difference between 5'8" and 5'10" which is stated in the PCA. and an even bigger visual difference between 5'8" and 6'. 6' could not be mistaken for 5'8". DM described a slim, skinny, lean build, not an athletic build as stated in the PCA. So here we have an eyewitness saying the man was her height which would make him around 5'6" to maybe 5'10" and that he was slim, skinny and lean. This does NOT describe BK at all. But then DM told LE she may have dreamed it all, she wasn't sure.

What I found most interesting was that nowhere in this description did AJ mention that DM stated the man had bushy eyebrows. AJ had just looked at DM's exact description on a piece of paper. So now, I have to ask, was bushy eyebrows NOT a part of DM's actual description of the man?

Without question, AJ has proven and affirmed to the court that the description that DM gave is NOT the description of the man in the PCA. Further, there are only two points of data that match BK: that the person DM saw was male and white. Nothing else matches BK at all and indeed DM could not identify BK.

Around 7:47, AT is now rebutting AJ's presentation. DM claimed 4 times in a row, she heard KG walk upstairs and then come running down the stairs in her interview on Nov. 13, 2024. The problem with this is that is impossible as KG was dead. DM made many references to not remembering what she saw or what happened and being drunk made bon Nov. 13 and on subsequent interviews, none of which was stated in the PCA.

Hmmmmmm, you insist that DM’s saying that the man she encountered was her height or taller means the guy was barely taller than she was.
I could easily argue that BK was hunched over a bit when she saw him and therefore seemed shorter than his full height. He seems to walk like that to me whenever I see him. I’m certainly not going to any lengths to prove that because we don’t know exactly how that guy presented himself to DM that night.
Sworn testimony at trial and cross examination. Then we’ll have some clarity.

 

[MassGuy]

She apparently said her own height or taller - which would indicate someone very close in height to her, not someone 6', not someone 5 inches taller. JMO.

Now that we know what DM said compared to the PCA, it is troubling.

The US Military does not allow use of transfer, trace or touch DNA in Military Court proceedings and many countries also do not allow it.https://www.court-martial-ucmj.com/dna-is-touch-or-transfer-dna-reliable-evidence-of-guilt/

With my background, I side with the US Military on this issue.

I also have to wonder why only the sheath's DNA had IGG done on it when there was blood on the bannister and blood on a glove outside 1122. IMO DNA from bodily fluids is much stronger evidence than transfer, trace or touch DNA.

I agree BK is athletic and lean but that's not what DM said according to Ashley Jennings. AJ said DM said skinny, thin and lean. I would not describe BK as skinny or thin. That's a completely different body type. Here's a photo of BK on Jan 5, 2023, not long after he was arrested. As you can see, he is in no way thin or skinny.

Moscow, Idaho, USA. 5th Jan, 2023. BRYAN KOHBERGER, right, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November 2022, appears at a hearing in Latah County District Court, Thursday. (Credit Image: © Ted S. Warren/POOL via ZUMA Press

Download this stock image: Moscow, Idaho, USA. 5th Jan, 2023. BRYAN KOHBERGER, right, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November 2022, appears at a hearing in Latah County District Court, Thursday. (Credit Image: © Ted S. Warren/POOL via ZUMA Press Wire Service) -...

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I would describe him as muscular, athletic, medium build, not fat. Here's a side view - he clearly is not thin or skinny. His legs and arms look bigger around and more muscular than those of the men escorting him:
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This isn't true.

You claim the military doesn't to allow touch DNA, which I can find no record of. Then you site some defense attorney's opinion on the validity of touch DNA (and go figure, the opinion of other defense attorneys), in which he cites a case that unlike this one, does not have a single source profile on an object known to have been touched by the killer. So none of this applies here.

DNA–is touch or transfer DNA reliable evidence of guilt​

May 9, 2022| The Law Office of Philip D. Cave
My argument is no, and as military defense lawyers, this is our position at a court-martial trial held under the UCMJ.

In State v. Terrance Police, 2022 Conn. LEXIS 123 (May 10, 2022), the issue was whether “touch DNA” was good enough for probable cause to get an arrest warrant. Here is the important part of the decision saying it wasn’t.

[T]he DNA evidence used to describe the suspect was not a single source sample known to have come from the perpetrator. Rather, it was “touch DNA,” also known as “trace DNA,” from multiple sources that might or might not have come from the perpetrator—something the police simply had no way of knowing when they applied for the John Doe arrest warrant.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

SBM

I forgot about the applesauce packet, and that's a good point about medicating the dog using applesauce. I agree that Murphy should have been tested, hopefully he was. Poor boy.

However, I disagree that Murphy would have been running around making bloody paw prints even if not drugged. I've seen a traumatized dog before, and if Murphy was traumatized he might have just stayed still for hours. Without going into great detail, a dog I used to have was in the house that was broken into and trashed, she was possibly hit or kicked (but thankfully not injured if she was). She was hiding in a closet, door wide open, several hours later and wouldn't come out. Poor baby.

I agree. Whilst not quite the same thing, my dad passed suddenly just before Christmas and he was found in the bathroom a couple of hours later when my disabled mum went downstairs, the dog had been down but he didn't bark or alert in any way, he didn't sit in the bathroom or outside the door as I would have expected him to do, and he didn't venture out there at all whilst we waited for the coroner to arrive.
This is the same dog who would get up and move to the front door to wait 10 minutes before my dad was due home from the pub, every time, like clockwork.
Animals are unpredictable.

 

[wendy44]

First off, it was not the defense but the prosecution, specifically AJ who said DM consistently described the intruder as a man, white, wearing all black, with a mask that covered his entire head except for his eyes, height was her height (DM is 5'8") or taller. DM heard a voice she did not recognize.

7:19 When shown a picture of BK, DM did not recognize the defendant (per AJ). Then AJ claims it is "clear" from the PCA that DM "was not going to recognize the defendant." IMO, it is not clear from the PCA that DM wouldn't recognize the defendant. IF DM got a good look at his eyes as claimed in the PCA, she should remember the shape of his eyes and his bushy eyebrows.

7:20 AJ lists what the man DM claimed to see in the house looked like from a piece of paper that contained DM's actual description.

7:21:20 In regards to height, AJ said, DM said the man she saw was her height (5'8") or taller. BK is at least 6' tall. There is a HUGE difference between 5'8" and 5'10" which is stated in the PCA. and an even bigger visual difference between 5'8" and 6'. 6' could not be mistaken for 5'8". DM described a slim, skinny, lean build, not an athletic build as stated in the PCA. So here we have an eyewitness saying the man was her height which would make him around 5'6" to maybe 5'10" and that he was slim, skinny and lean. This does NOT describe BK at all. But then DM told LE she may have dreamed it all, she wasn't sure.

What I found most interesting was that nowhere in this description did AJ mention that DM stated the man had bushy eyebrows. AJ had just looked at DM's exact description on a piece of paper. So now, I have to ask, was bushy eyebrows NOT a part of DM's actual description of the man?

Without question, AJ has proven and affirmed to the court that the description that DM gave is NOT the description of the man in the PCA. Further, there are only two points of data that match BK: that the person DM saw was male and white. Nothing else matches BK at all and indeed DM could not identify BK.

Around 7:47, AT is now rebutting AJ's presentation. DM claimed 4 times in a row, she heard KG walk upstairs and then come running down the stairs in her interview on Nov. 13, 2024. The problem with this is that is impossible as KG was dead. DM made many references to not remembering what she saw or what happened and being drunk made bon Nov. 13 and on subsequent interviews, none of which was stated in the PCA.

So in the two full days that the defense made arguments before the court, the defense never said that what is in the PCA regarding the description is a lie and that the description in the PCA appears to have been changed to fit BK better?

Do you understand what a motion to hold a Franks hearing is? Genuinely asking.
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

She apparently said her own height or taller - which would indicate someone very close in height to her, not someone 6', not someone 5 inches taller. JMO.

Now that we know what DM said compared to the PCA, it is troubling.

The US Military does not allow use of transfer, trace or touch DNA in Military Court proceedings and many countries also do not allow it.https://www.court-martial-ucmj.com/dna-is-touch-or-transfer-dna-reliable-evidence-of-guilt/

With my background, I side with the US Military on this issue.

I also have to wonder why only the sheath's DNA had IGG done on it when there was blood on the bannister and blood on a glove outside 1122. IMO DNA from bodily fluids is much stronger evidence than transfer, trace or touch DNA.

I agree BK is athletic and lean but that's not what DM said according to Ashley Jennings. AJ said DM said skinny, thin and lean. I would not describe BK as skinny or thin. That's a completely different body type. Here's a photo of BK on Jan 5, 2023, not long after he was arrested. As you can see, he is in no way thin or skinny.

Moscow, Idaho, USA. 5th Jan, 2023. BRYAN KOHBERGER, right, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November 2022, appears at a hearing in Latah County District Court, Thursday. (Credit Image: © Ted S. Warren/POOL via ZUMA Press

Download this stock image: Moscow, Idaho, USA. 5th Jan, 2023. BRYAN KOHBERGER, right, who is accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November 2022, appears at a hearing in Latah County District Court, Thursday. (Credit Image: © Ted S. Warren/POOL via ZUMA Press Wire Service) -...

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I would describe him as muscular, athletic, medium build, not fat. Here's a side view - he clearly is not thin or skinny. His legs and arms look bigger around and more muscular than those of the men escorting him:
View attachment 563104

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger investigated for another home invasion prior to campus slayings Attractions News

Newly released body camera video, obtained by ABC News, shows police responding to an alleged home invasion, which took place October 2021 in Pullman, Washington a little over a year before and about 10 miles from where four University of Idaho students were fatally stabbed in their off campus...

www.attractions.net.au

Also, I want to talk about this portion: I also have to wonder why only the sheath's DNA had IGG done on it when there was blood on the bannister and blood on a glove outside 1122. IMO DNA from bodily fluids is much stronger evidence than transfer, trace or touch DNA.

If you're suggesting they perform IGG on random other samples, as opposed to something the killer absolutely had to touch, then I don't know what to say.

What we do know from court filings, is that the other DNA that was collected only resulted in partial profiles. So even if we were dealing with the Keystone cops, who test everything but the most obvious item, they couldn't have performed IGG anyway.

 

[schooling]

I agree. Whilst not quite the same thing, my dad passed suddenly just before Christmas and he was found in the bathroom a couple of hours later when my disabled mum went downstairs, the dog had been down but he didn't bark or alert in any way, he didn't sit in the bathroom or outside the door as I would have expected him to do, and he didn't venture out there at all whilst we waited for the coroner to arrive.
This is the same dog who would get up and move to the front door to wait 10 minutes before my dad was due home from the pub, every time, like clockwork.
Animals are unpredictable.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[wendy44]

These were NOT the defenses claims almost ALL of this was stated by the prosecution - specifically Ashley Jennings, Deputy Prosecutor. You may not believe AJ, but AJ was reading DM's description of the man DM saw from a piece of paper. I would expect that AJ has the correct information about DM's description. And AJ told us that DM did not recognize BK from his photo either.

The thing that was stated in this hearing by AT that gave me the most pause was that Murphy was found by LE in KG's room (6:31 in video I linked above). The door to KG's room was wide open AND the door to MM's room where the bodies were on the 3rd floor was also wide open (as was the door to XK's bedroom.) There was no blood on Murphy and no bloody dog prints in the house but we know that the crime scenes were a bloody mess. I don't know if you have ever owned a dog, but that's extraordinarily out of character behavior for a dog unless they are drugged. Given this information, I think back to Mrs. G finding that applesauce packet in KG's trash and think that they should have notified LE immediately so LE could have had it tested for drugs and fingerprints and other trace evidence. People often use those applesauce packets to give their dogs medication. I think LE should have had Murphy tested for drugs given the situation in which he was found - around noon and sitting in a room he could have left very close to a room where the murders took place, where KG's body was. I wonder if DM and BF were questioned about if Murphy was barking that morning to eat and go outside? I hope that was done. We won't know until we see all of the discovery. All JMO but I think anyone who owns a dog would agree with me that dogs wake very early and want to potty and eat first thing in the morning and that it would be highly unusual for a dog to passively sit in one room while his owner was in another room when the doors to both rooms were wide open.

All JMO, MOO.

What evidence do you have that AJ was reading the description DM gave in her original interview that was used to write the PCA? She doesn't even appear to be looking at anything, much less a transcript of the original interview in that clip. She's looking straight at the judge the whole time.
JMO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Sorry for your loss.

Thankyou