4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[Soulmagent]

It has occurred to me that in all this complicated case history and science, we have seriously overlooked BK's mother. We know a little about his father, and have extended our sympathy, even appreciation to him. We know a little bit about his sisters, whether it's one or both. But his mother? Nothing, zilch, nada. And yet she is probably heartbroken. What mother wouldn't be? Poor lady.

Maybe we should let sleeping mothers lie or lay , or lye.. I dunno , just a suggestion .

 

[jepop]

Great post.

Trying to construct complex theories based on speculation from sources or hints from AT can be a complete waste of time as illustrated in many cases we have all followed.

I definitely agree!

This post though is mostly just speculation about Howard Blum.

I guess my theory in progress is that the origin of the claim in his book, could be' conflation between codis DNA profile upload requirements and the size of a forensic sample. Given that afaik the number of cells making up the sample on snap button has never been public info. Moo

 

[mrjitty]

I definitely agree!

This post though is mostly just speculation about Howard Blum.

I guess my theory in progress is that the origin of the claim in his book, could be' conflation between codis DNA profile upload requirements and the size of a forensic sample. Given that afaik the number of cells making up the sample on snap button has never been public info. Moo

I suspect you are probably correct.

 

[Cool Cats]

Blood on the bannister in a house where there were stabbings and the glove with the blood outside. A network actually live streamed most of the CSI yard search. CSI found many things in the yard. There may be a different glove than what the YouTube detective found on Nov. 28, 2022. But we'll have to wait for the trial. IMO, both blood DNA (bannister and glove) are possible evidence, both should have been tested completely including attempting IGG. Since they were not, this will be used as reasonable doubt. All JMO.

Good God. They checked everything they possible could. Unless they want to be fired.

Only the sheath snap matched BK. Oh by the way, the muder weapon was under a murder victim.

2 Cents

 

[katydid23]

Blood on the bannister in a house where there were stabbings and the glove with the blood outside. A network actually live streamed most of the CSI yard search. CSI found many things in the yard. There may be a different glove than what the YouTube detective found on Nov. 28, 2022. But we'll have to wait for the trial. IMO, both blood DNA (bannister and glove) are possible evidence, both should have been tested completely including attempting IGG. Since they were not, this will be used as reasonable doubt. All JMO.

Wait, are you suggesting the investigators should have done IGGS for the unknown DNA they found? I thought that was unconstitutional and should not be done?

 

[Soulmagent]

Wait, are you suggesting the investigators should have done IGGS for the unknown DNA they found? I thought that was unconstitutional and should not be done?

WILD!

 

[Karin1974]

Could you link the source to Kristi interview please. Kristi is Kayley's sister? I forget when and who did these interviews.

IMO - Kristi is Kaylee’s Mum.

 

[Sundog]

Maybe we should let sleeping mothers lie or lay , or lye.. I dunno , just a suggestion .

Agree, we can't sleuth family members. They are victims.

 

[DizzyB]

I definitely agree!

This post though is mostly just speculation about Howard Blum.

I guess my theory in progress is that the origin of the claim in his book, could be' conflation between codis DNA profile upload requirements and the size of a forensic sample. Given that afaik the number of cells making up the sample on snap button has never been public info. Moo

Howard Blum got some stuff right, and a lot wrong. I think that many WSers could have taken a red pen to his essays about the case. Some of his so called facts were wildly inaccurate.

 

[Balthazar]

Good God. They checked everything they possible could. Unless they want to be fired.

Only the sheath snap matched BK. Oh by the way, the muder weapon was under a murder victim.

2 Cents

Insofar as I have read in the news, LE has not found the murder weapon in this case so far. Do you know something which has not been released to the public thus far and "the murder weapon was under a murder victim?"

 

[mrjitty]

Insofar as I have read in the news, LE has not found the murder weapon in this case so far. Do you know something which has not been released to the public thus far and "the murder weapon was under a murder victim?"

It’s a natural and obvious inference that the sheath is part of the murder weapon given it did not belong to the victims. The jury will draw that inference every day of the week.

That’s just how criminal evidence and procedure works.

IMO.

 

[NCWatcher]

It’s a natural and obvious inference that the sheath is part of the murder weapon given it did not belong to the victims. The jury will draw that inference every days of the week.

That’s just how criminal evidence and procedure works.

IMO.

I'm not sure how anyone could know it didn't belong to a victim at this point. I'm not arguing that it did, but how has it been shown it didn't belong to someone in the house?
MOO

 

[mrjitty]

I'm not sure how anyone could know it didn't belong to a victim at this point. I'm not arguing that it did, but how has it been shown it didn't belong to someone in the house?
MOO

There will be a trial where that will be established. just a basic building block of evidential procedure.

This isn’t the first murder trial that ever happened. These basic facts will be established and the jury will be invited to make logical inferences from the web of circumstantial evidence.

Meanwhile things that prove nothing or amount to wild speculation will be put aside.

IMO

 

[jepop]

Howard Blum got some stuff right, and a lot wrong. I think that many WSers could have taken a red pen to his essays about the case. Some of his so called facts were wildly inaccurate.

Personally, I can't stand his style, his content, his book or his misinformation. No, I'm not bias, I just believe he's pretty much totally unreliable! Jmo

 

[NCWatcher]

There will be a trial where that will be established. just a basic building block of evidential procedure.

This isn’t the first murder trial that ever happened. These basic facts will be established and the jury will be invited to make logical inferences from the web of circumstantial evidence.

Meanwhile things that prove nothing or amount to wild speculation will be put aside.

IMO

Yes, you are correct--anything can happen once the trial is underway. But at this point, we can't rule out anyone of being the sheath's owner. So IMO it's not a given it didn't belong to someone in the house.

If I were a juror, I doubt I'd conclude in the absence of an identified murder weapon that a found holster must part of the missing murder gun or that a car key is part of an as-yet unidentified missing car that ran over someone. So I doubt I'd conclude the sheath is part of the murder weapon in this case with no additional evidence.
MOO

 

[jepop]

I'm not sure how anyone could know it didn't belong to a victim at this point. I'm not arguing that it did, but how has it been shown it didn't belong to someone in the house?
MOO

Idk, perhaps because Jay Logsdon and AT never once let it slip in any motion or hearing where sheathe DNA was mentioned? And the fact multiple warrants were executed looking for purchases of a large knife, the potential murder weapon? Moo it obviously did not belong to anyone living there.

Has to be that ownership of the sheathe was one of the first things the police sought to establish. Jmo it defies belief that any of those dead kids happened to own a sheathe for such a weapon and then for two of them to be murdered with a large knife only to have their coincidentally size matched sheathe turn up under their bodies? With "no connection to the victims" BK's dna on the use point? And LE nonetheless executing multiple warrants looking for knife purchase.

Imo in the case of the sheathe, absence of evidence for it belonging to a victim actually does equal absence of evidence. Jmo

 

[Balthazar]

It’s a natural and obvious inference that the sheath is part of the murder weapon given it did not belong to the victims. The jury will draw that inference every day of the week.

That’s just how criminal evidence and procedure works.

IMO.

We don't know if the sheath goes to the murder weapon at this point. For all we know, the knife and sheath could have belonged to a victim for self protection and was taken from her by the killer. It could then have become the murder weapon or some other edged weapon was the murder weapon. I don't think we should assume anything yet.

 

[Arkay]

We don't know if the sheath goes to the murder weapon at this point. For all we know, the knife and sheath could have belonged to a victim for self protection and was taken from her by the killer. It could then have become the murder weapon or some other edged weapon was the murder weapon. I don't think we should assume anything yet.

If I were a juror on this case, I would find it beyond a reasonable doubt that the sheath of a murder weapon secreted beneath the body of a murder victim, that murder weapon being a knife when the victims were knifed to death, does NOT somehow equal the actual weapon used to perpetrate the murders.

If it belonged originally to one of the occupants of the house, why is the only DNA found on the sheath snap Bryan’s and not one of the deceased?

JMO of what makes sense.

 

[jepop]

If I were a juror on this case, I would find it beyond a reasonable doubt that the sheath of a murder weapon secreted beneath the body of a murder victim, that murder weapon being a knife when the victims were knifed to death, does NOT somehow equal the actual weapon used to perpetrate the murders.

If it belonged originally to one of the occupants of the house, why is the only DNA found on the sheath snap Bryan’s and not one of the deceased?

JMO of what makes sense.

[Mod edit snark] it's a possibility that the victims were murdered by their own kbar! BK took the knife and forgot the sheathe, which he'd taken his gloves off to open just after he found it with the knife in a bedside draw where said victim kept it for protection. The survivors told LE the sheathe belonged to the victim and the knife was missing. But instead of following it up, Investigators inexplicably went ahead with executing warrants looking for the buyer of another knife.

 

[Balthazar]

It’s a natural and obvious inference that the sheath is part of the murder weapon given it did not belong to the victims. The jury will draw that inference every day of the week.

That’s just how criminal evidence and procedure works.

IMO.

There are far too many murder cases to name where a victim pulled a knife on an aggressor only to have their knife taken by the aggressor and used to kill the victim

https://www.wjhl.com/video/affidavit-man-said-he-killed-teen-with-victim%e2%80%99s-own-knife-during-visit-to-buy-drugs/8138041/

Sources: Good Samaritan stabbed to death with his own knife on BART over shoe theft

A fatal stabbing on a BART train at the South Hayward Station on Tuesday stemmed from a fight, authorities said.

www.ktvu.com

In fact, you are far more likely to be stabbed with your own knife than someone else's:

Carrying a knife makes it more likely someone will harm you

Carrying a knife makes it more likely someone will harm you.

www.london.gov.uk

In this case, knives are prevalent in Idaho due to the hunting/outdoors lifestyle there. IMO, if one or more of the roommates owned a knife it would not be surprising or even unusual for the area.

All JMO.