4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[MassGuy]

I follow most of what you said. But I still don't see how Dateline could have the Amazon data before 1) the Amazon warrants were issued and 2) Amazon responded. The time periods and dates of issuance of the warrants ARE very specific. And no matter how close to the investigation the source was, how could he/she know stuff before LE asked for and got the data? I guess it's possible it was unofficial info from Amazon. But it seems even more odd to get the date wrong in that case.
MOO

Amazon responded to the Feds four months prior to the airing of that episode:

"On both December 30, 2022, and January 27, 2023, Amazon responded with records showing Mr. Kohberger’s purchases."

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/111424-Motion-Supress-Memorandum-Support-Amazon.pdf

 

[Charlot123]

Re the traffic stop about being in the intersection grid. I've watched it a few types and IMO it simply shows someone hyper-focussed, possibly due to OCD or neurodiversity, on comprehending what they're accused of doing wrong and failing to fully have an answer. We are all prejudiced against BK because we're aware of what he's alleged to have done. fair enough.

However, if I were in the same situation, I'd be asking all the same questions. He entered the intersection grid in the mistaken believe the car in front would proceed and leave him space to cross. The car did not take the predicted route, leaving him sitting in an intersection, dangerously. He proceeded out of danger and that meant he crossed a red light.

Now we all heard the answers from the cop. That in this situation, he should not have moved into the intersection until he knew the car in front was fully clear and he definitely had space to proceed. However, I think any driver would agree, that a certain amount of driving is based on assuming the driver in front is going to proceed as expected or as indicated and that if they fail to do so, or make a sudden unpredictable move, then our situation becomes different. I think BK felt unfairly accused of being the difficult person and was struggling to see what he'd done wrong and wanted clarity of what he should do the next time. The cop was not giving specific responses so much as 'just don't do it' and to some types of personality, that is not detailed enough.

He didn't overly labor the points IMO but he certainly asked a lot of questions and there's definitely particular traits of neurodiversity in that. I think he would have been exactly the same prior to the murders and it's not a sign of a criminal mind, that also other people with the same sort of neurodiversity are also the same and they haven't murdered anyone.

JMO MOO

That's interesting. I interpret it differently. WA state traffic fines are high. So high that some people would take time off work (the bosses always understand), go to court and dispute the charges. I know a person who always goes and always wins.

So probably BK, having a small budget, tried to talk a female officer out of writing out a fine for him. I can name a lot on non-neurodivergent, non-OCD people who would absolutely do the same.

 

[jepop]

IIUC is not 20 cells that were recovered, but enough DNA to support a single source full profile, matched to 20 alleles.

Or somesuch.

If BK took steps to reduce transfer, I'm not surprised that he was nearly successful.

JMO

The 20 cells comes from Blum. Imo Blum is not reliable and personally I never consider anything specific he says, such as this claim, as proven fact. We'll hear at trial what's what. Jmo

 

[NCWatcher]

Amazon responded to the Feds four months prior to the airing of that episode:

"On both December 30, 2022, and January 27, 2023, Amazon responded with records showing Mr. Kohberger’s purchases."

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/111424-Motion-Supress-Memorandum-Support-Amazon.pdf

Thanks. So the early subpoena may not have been consistent with the Idaho Constitution so that was redone-- and that redoing in May 2023 was what ABC reported in the article I linked in my comment. The time periods chosen for Amazon to report were March 20-30 2022 and Nov 1 - Dec 6 2022.

Still seems odd the date Dateline was reported was in April 2022 but ok

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Chad Isaak in ND lay in wait for employees at a business to show up for their morning coffee meet-up. After the first couple entered, he stabbed and shot them both, even struggling with one of them. When the third employee entered, he stabbed and shot him, obscuring his body behind a workbench. The owner entered, he was stabbed to death. All told, 98 stab wounds total. CI was in the building maybe 20 minutes, because he had to wait for them all to arrive. Medical examiner said each murder would take 1-5 minutes to complete. Not one speck of DNA from CI was left behind. None, after stabbing 4 people, fighting one, knocking things over, hiding one body, etc. Caught because someone reported his strange behavior (wearing a full hunting style facemask in 40 degree weather) when he walked to the local McDonald's to retrieve his truck. They tracked the truck's movement, just like the Elantra. A LEO recognized his truck as belonging to his chiropractor, and CI was arrested. And incidentally, there were at least 3 loaded weapons nearby that the victims couldn't get to in time.

Sorry, forgot link! Chad Isaak

 

[gremlin444]

Not sure it was a store or a Burger King. I strongly suspect (just my assumption, no proof) is that he got himself a dealer in Idaho. Maybe got a dose, slept and left the sheath wherever he was. I honestly think he had a reason to go to Idaho, but I also think he’d never been to 1122 King road. Some other place. Maybe he got psychotic when high.

I believe you mentioned earlier that you didn't have a good mental image of this knife? I suggest you do an image search on Ka-Bar USMC knife. I've seen one in person at a military surplus store, so I have a very good sense of scale.

We're going to assume that a standard full sized Ka-Bar USMC knife is what was in the full sized Ka-Bar USMC sheath.

The blade is 7 inches long. The total length of the knife, including handle, is nearly 12 inches long. Grab a standard 12" ruler and hold it to your belt area to see how far it goes down your leg.

This is not a subtle knife. It's not going to fit in a pocket. It's very noticeable. If you walk into a drug deal with it strapped to your belt, they are going to assume hostility and things are going to proceed very badly--if you even got let in wearing it in the first place. And it's not a knife that you are going to just take off your belt, put it down, and zonk out around other people.

In the woods, you might not get a second glance for wearing it. In an urban environment--you are going to be noticed and it's going to be taken as a threat.

To try to get an image of what this knife could do, I poked around YT and found there is a "water bottle test" that is popular for testing Ka-bars.

So here's a video of USMC Ka-Bar 7" blade knife cutting through 10+ filled plastic water bottles that are lined up--with one swing of the arm.

 

[jepop]

Amazon responded to the Feds four months prior to the airing of that episode:

"On both December 30, 2022, and January 27, 2023, Amazon responded with records showing Mr. Kohberger’s purchases."

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/111424-Motion-Supress-Memorandum-Support-Amazon.pdf

Yes the investigative GJ subpoenas pertaining to Amazon were mentioned in MTS hearings. FBI passed the info onto local LE. Later, LE formally executed warrants for the same info. AT argued strongly for all this to be suppressed. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Yes the investigative GJ subpoenas pertaining to Amazon were mentioned in MTS hearings. FBI passed the info onto local LE. Later, LE formally executed warrants for the same info. AT argued strongly for all this to be suppressed. Jmo

Yeah. This isn't a big deal because he bought toothpaste and socks. Just imagine if there's something like overalls, or some sort of seat cover, or a knife.

 

[Charlot123]

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I believe you mentioned earlier that you didn't have a good mental image of this knife? I suggest you do an image search on Ka-Bar USMC knife. I've seen one in person at a military surplus store, so I have a very good sense of scale.

We're going to assume that a standard full sized Ka-Bar USMC knife is what was in the full sized Ka-Bar USMC sheath.

The blade is 7 inches long. The total length of the knife, including handle, is nearly 12 inches long. Grab a standard 12" ruler and hold it to your belt area to see how far it goes down your leg.

This is not a subtle knife. It's not going to fit in a pocket. It's very noticeable. If you walk into a drug deal with it strapped to your belt, they are going to assume hostility and things are going to proceed very badly--if you even got let in wearing it in the first place. And it's not a knife that you are going to just take off your belt, put it down, and zonk out around other people.

In the woods, you might not get a second glance for wearing it. In an urban environment--you are going to be noticed and it's going to be taken as a threat.

To try to get an image of what this knife could do, I poked around YT and found there is a "water bottle test" that is popular for testing Ka-bars.

So here's a video of USMC Ka-Bar 7" blade knife cutting through 10+ filled plastic water bottles that are lined up--with one swing of the arm.

I have zero mental image of the knife. Thank you.
So basically, people would get side looks when sporting a knife like this around the student town.
Do you expect the owner, a TA student, carrying it around frequently? Or keeping it in a car?
How commonplace are they?

 

[jepop]

Yeah. This isn't a big deal because he bought toothpaste and socks. Just imagine if there's something like overalls, or some sort of seat cover, or a knife.

Amazon has toothpaste? Well knock me over with a feather.

 

[MassGuy]

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I have zero mental image of the knife. Thank you.
So basically, people would get side looks when sporting a knife like this around the student town.
Do you expect the owner, a TA student, carrying it around frequently? Or keeping it in a car?
How commonplace are they?

Pretty much no one carries a knife around, much less a college student. I went to college in a good size city, and I never came across a single student who even owned one.

 

[MassGuy]

Amazon has toothpaste? Well knock me over with a feather.

You name it, they sell it. You can get a year’s worth of a name brand for like $15.

 

[schooling]

All MOO

That's not exactly what I believe or 'think' but I do believe there's no shot BK fled the scene after murdering four people with a knife in his white elantra. LE tore that car apart and did not find one spec of evidence which in my opinion rules out BK using his car to flee the scene.

Maybe if he shot four people and fled the scene. Or maybe if he had a few hours to clean up and then flee the scene. But that's not what happened. LE claims BK was in and out of the house in approximately 10-12 minutes and somehow only left a few skin cells at the scene.


All MOO

If he bought the knife in March of that year (like I believe prosecutors will be able to prove he did) he’s likely been planning this crime for quite awhile.

I’d say going as far back as
that Reddit post for his Thesis. Which is where I’m sure he concocted the “I’m here to help” line to quiet down a presumed scared and/or hurt Xana IMO

He’s been immersed in forensics (with the exception of that paltry, IMO, cyber forensics certificate) for the last 10 years. You dont think that every square inch of that car was fully prepared?

He knew he would appear on cameras. He had to make absolutely sure that the car’s interior wouldn’t tie him back to the crime scene.

The fact that it doesn’t is probably the least surprising thing about this case IMO. And the reports of his sister being suspect of his obsessive cleaning of his car. To the point she even thought it was odd (IMO, IIRC) is also a sign that he was just making sure.

Edit: I also think that BF might shed some light into this clean car thing (not sure if the Independent is an approved source) and some of the talk of bathroom sounds might too.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

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I have zero mental image of the knife. Thank you.
So basically, people would get side looks when sporting a knife like this around the student town.
Do you expect the owner, a TA student, carrying it around frequently? Or keeping it in a car?
How commonplace are they?

I don’t think BK got the knife so he could style around town with it strapped to his hip. I think he kept his knife hidden away until he decided to use it.
He’d have to be mighty stupid to be showing off the knife he planned to kill people with around town.

 

[al66pine]

A KaBar in 1122 King Before Killer Arrived?

Plus the other roommates are alive and can testify to knowledge of whether any of the victims owned a knife like that.

Oooooo! I didn’t think of that but that easily clears everything up doesn’t it.
Nice.

@LinasK @StarryStarryNight @MassGuy @Balthazar

A college woman keeping BaBar knife w sheath for self protection??? Okay, maybe statistically not likely. Not guessing any numbers or percentages. Can we just say possible?

IF a victim kept knife w sheath, imo likely kept it at/near bedside, on nightstand, in night table drawer, under mattress, etc.

Presumably prosecution will put LE & forensic folks on the stand, maybe before or after housemate(s) to describe events leading up to and during that morning.

Will pros. ask housemate(s) about whether any of the residents kept a Ka-Bar w or w'out a sheath at 1122 King - this or similar. What about dates, boyfriends, frequent visitors, occasional guests, party guests? Did you observe any w a KaBar or sheath? Appliance repair person, anybody who crossed the threshold there, who might have left a knife or sheath?
Okay, likely she/they say no, no, no, no, never saw a Ka-Bar knife or sheath, nothing like that in the home.
Pros: Did any of the four victims talk about knives & self-protection? Again, no, no, no, no.

CROSS EXAMINATION:
Asks about how long & how well housemate(s) knew the victims, etc. How much time they spent together w victims. [Do I recall correctly that survivors knew victims only a few mo’s?]
Were housemate(s) present at parties and social gatherings at 1122 King? All of the group get-togethers there?
Then drills into whether housemate(s) spent time in the victims’ bedrooms, did they open victims’ nightstand drawers, or check under victims’ mattresses & pillows, etc. How do you know none of them had a Ka-Bar w sheath?

Would the Def dig in TRYING to show that surviving housemates did not know the victims well, etc. And that housemate(s) may have simply been UNAWARE of KaBar knife & sheath one of the victims routinely kept at bedside at 1122 King.
A stretch?

Not saying that pros will introduce the issue w that line of questioning.
Just sayin, even w housemate(s) testimony - never saw Ka-Bar or sheath there - the Def may try to inject DOUBT about awareness of Ka-Bar or sheath.

 

[MassGuy]

A KaBar in 1122 King Before Killer Arrived?


@LinasK @StarryStarryNight @MassGuy @Balthazar

A college woman keeping BaBar knife w sheath for self protection??? Okay, maybe statistically not likely. Not guessing any numbers or percentages. Can we just say possible?

IF a victim kept knife w sheath, imo likely kept it at/near bedside, on nightstand, in night table drawer, under mattress, etc.

Presumably prosecution will put LE & forensic folks on the stand, maybe before or after housemate(s) to describe events leading up to and during that morning.

Will pros. ask housemate(s) about whether any of the residents kept a Ka-Bar w or w'out a sheath at 1122 King - this or similar. What about dates, boyfriends, frequent visitors, occasional guests, party guests? Did you observe any w a KaBar or sheath? Appliance repair person, anybody who crossed the threshold there, who might have left a knife or sheath?
Okay, likely she/they say no, no, no, no, never saw a Ka-Bar knife or sheath, nothing like that in the home.
Pros: Did any of the four victims talk about knives & self-protection? Again, no, no, no, no.

CROSS EXAMINATION:
Asks about how long & how well housemate(s) knew the victims, etc. How much time they spent together w victims. [Do I recall correctly that survivors knew victims only a few mo’s?]
Were housemate(s) present at parties and social gatherings at 1122 King? All of the group get-togethers there?
Then drills into whether housemate(s) spent time in the victims’ bedrooms, did they open victims’ nightstand drawers, or check under victims’ mattresses & pillows, etc. How do you know none of them had a Ka-Bar w sheath?

Would the Def dig in TRYING to show that surviving housemates did not know the victims well, etc. And that housemate(s) may have simply been UNAWARE of KaBar knife & sheath one of the victims routinely kept at bedside at 1122 King.
A stretch?

Not saying that pros will introduce the issue w that line of questioning.
Just sayin, even w housemate(s) testimony - never saw Ka-Bar or sheath there - the Def may try to inject DOUBT about awareness of Ka-Bar or sheath.

All of this becomes moot if there’s any record of BK ever purchasing one.

 

[al66pine]

All of this becomes moot if there’s any record of BK ever purchasing one.

@MassGuy Thx.
Absolutely, positively true.

ETA: Hoping the state has evidence of the purchase.

 

[Arkay]

I believe you mentioned earlier that you didn't have a good mental image of this knife? I suggest you do an image search on Ka-Bar USMC knife. I've seen one in person at a military surplus store, so I have a very good sense of scale.

We're going to assume that a standard full sized Ka-Bar USMC knife is what was in the full sized Ka-Bar USMC sheath.

The blade is 7 inches long. The total length of the knife, including handle, is nearly 12 inches long. Grab a standard 12" ruler and hold it to your belt area to see how far it goes down your leg.

This is not a subtle knife. It's not going to fit in a pocket. It's very noticeable. If you walk into a drug deal with it strapped to your belt, they are going to assume hostility and things are going to proceed very badly--if you even got let in wearing it in the first place. And it's not a knife that you are going to just take off your belt, put it down, and zonk out around other people.

In the woods, you might not get a second glance for wearing it. In an urban environment--you are going to be noticed and it's going to be taken as a threat.

To try to get an image of what this knife could do, I poked around YT and foun. there is a "water bottle test" that is popular for testing Ka-bars.

So here's a video of USMC Ka-Bar 7" blade knife cutting through 10+ filled plastic water bottles that are lined up--with one swing of the arm.

Whoa!

In the early threads, when this case was new, I remember when info first came out that it appeared to be a K-Bar knife that was used to murder these victims.

At the time, many posters attached pictures of just what a K-Bar looked like. Certainly a vicious knife and not what is typically found in a kitchen drawer.

But this video, @gremlin444 , truly shows the savage power of this kind of knife.

Thanks for posting.

 

[CKS]

All of this becomes moot if there’s any record of BK ever purchasing one.

All MOO

I would bet just about whatever that BK the Criminology expert and VEGAN did not purchase a kbar with a leather sheath anywhere or ever and especially off of Amazon.


Just my 2 cents

 

[iamshadow21]

All MOO

I would bet just about whatever that BK the Criminology expert and VEGAN did not purchase a kbar with a leather sheath anywhere or ever and especially off of Amazon.


Just my 2 cents

Yeah, well, not every vegan is the same.

I've known people who have no problem with using leather or wool, they just don't want to eat dead animals.

Also, we're talking about a vegan who has potentially slaughtered four people. If responsible, he clearly doesn't hold all sentient life sacred.

MOO