4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[AcousticViper]

I did find another link that said there were 90 white Elantras licensed to park at the University of Idaho. So I don't think it was that unusual a car in the area, regardless.

That is 90 registered white Hyundai Elantras since 2018, a 4 year period. Nothing about model year, which narrows the list further (the design changed significantly after 2020). How many applicable Elantras remained registered of the type investigators were looking for by 2022 is unknown.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Re the traffic stop about being in the intersection grid. I've watched it a few types and IMO it simply shows someone hyper-focussed, possibly due to OCD or neurodiversity, on comprehending what they're accused of doing wrong and failing to fully have an answer. We are all prejudiced against BK because we're aware of what he's alleged to have done. fair enough.

However, if I were in the same situation, I'd be asking all the same questions. He entered the intersection grid in the mistaken believe the car in front would proceed and leave him space to cross. The car did not take the predicted route, leaving him sitting in an intersection, dangerously. He proceeded out of danger and that meant he crossed a red light.

Now we all heard the answers from the cop. That in this situation, he should not have moved into the intersection until he knew the car in front was fully clear and he definitely had space to proceed. However, I think any driver would agree, that a certain amount of driving is based on assuming the driver in front is going to proceed as expected or as indicated and that if they fail to do so, or make a sudden unpredictable move, then our situation becomes different. I think BK felt unfairly accused of being the difficult person and was struggling to see what he'd done wrong and wanted clarity of what he should do the next time. The cop was not giving specific responses so much as 'just don't do it' and to some types of personality, that is not detailed enough.

He didn't overly labor the points IMO but he certainly asked a lot of questions and there's definitely particular traits of neurodiversity in that. I think he would have been exactly the same prior to the murders and it's not a sign of a criminal mind, that also other people with the same sort of neurodiversity are also the same and they haven't murdered anyone.

JMO MOO

 

[Maat99]

Not sure it was a store or a Burger King. I strongly suspect (just my assumption, no proof) is that he got himself a dealer in Idaho. Maybe got a dose, slept and left the sheath wherever he was. I honestly think he had a reason to go to Idaho, but I also think he’d never been to 1122 King road. Some other place. Maybe he got psychotic when high.

It’s so weird that he hasn’t mentioned that he accidentally left his knife sheath with his dealer.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Do people here suspect that BK / perpetrator must have doused or soaked the sheath in some sort of liquid that cleansed it and would have continued to degrade any DNA?

Otherwise, I don't see how it can have had no other DNA on it from the people who manufactured, constructed, packaged, dispatched it and handled it along the way. JMO.

 

[pseudo_hum]

I was open to both ideas (he went back to get the knife, or he went back to see what was going on with law enforcement).

I now strongly lean towards the latter option, for one main reason. Immediately following the murders, I believe he drove to a preplanned site to dispose of evidence. It is at this point I believe he would have realized the sheath was missing (if not before).

The timeline seems to indicate that he returned to his apartment for a few hours (arrived back around 5:30, before again departing towards Moscow around 9:00.

At the absolute latest, he would have realized the sheath was missing upon his return, and it makes no sense for him to wait 3.5 hours or so to make an attempt at retrieval.

So I'm sold on him returning to the scene out of curiosity (to see if police were there). Many of these guys get off on that sort of thing too.

Agreed, IMO, he wanted to see the effect of his "night moves". He was curious about the news, IMO. And I believe, that is why he wants a very media focused trial.

 

[mrjitty]

I am very interested in the news reporting Trisha posted about a potential Amazon purchase of a weapon that fits that used in the murder.

If that is the case, suddenly this case looks extra tight.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

I am very interested in the news reporting Trisha posted about a potential Amazon purchase of a weapon that fits that used in the murder.

If that is the case, suddenly this case looks extra tight.

MOO

And online shopping carts.... might give a timeline for when one shopped for items, when they added them to the cart, when they checked out, where they were delivered.

LE gold.

JMO

 

[Jade]

Do people here suspect that BK / perpetrator must have doused or soaked the sheath in some sort of liquid that cleansed it and would have continued to degrade any DNA?

Otherwise, I don't see how it can have had no other DNA on it from the people who manufactured, constructed, packaged, dispatched it and handled it along the way. JMO.

ADMIN NOTE:

There is no known, legitimate source to any claim that there was no victim DNA on the knife sheath or that
a bloody glove was found by CSI.

Relevant posts have been removed.

 

[schooling]

Was it confirmed they could see ANY license plate on the videos? Last I heard, there was some rumble about that. The eyewitness description is only credible if what the PCA said is 100% true and there's something about that from the defense POV, isn't there? Define "suspiciously" and I say that because it seems BK's always acted at least somewhat weird, not just after the murders. So does his after-murder behavior deviate significantly from pre-murder behavior? I don't think we know.

Snipped by me for focus...

This is MOO. But I believe that during the last hearings AT confirmed (IMO) that LE's video from 1125 Ridge Road has something that can positively identify BK's Elantra. I remember reading in early reporting shortly after BKs arrest that it might have been a Ring camera.

During the hearing AT essentially makes the case that one or two of the videos (ridge, pullman) might be BK but there's no way to say for sure. And that LE only made all of the videos the same Elantra because of IGG. JMO

She's further going out of her way (IMO) to weaponize prosecutors' admission that there's no evidence of stalking.

She wants BK's totally-not-stalking behavior of

• a) previous late night visits to the neighborhood (as assumed by cell tower connections)
• b) being pulled over in the neighborhood late one night
  
  to be conflated with....
• c) BK in the neighborhood on the night of the murders

THEY ARE ALL ONE IN THE SAME the defense wnats us to believe. Benign. Prosecutors jumping to conclusions. Not stalking and certainly not murder. Just a normal night of normal BK driving. Nothing remarkable here. MOO

We've seen this strategy from the defense before. Just like with CODIS vs IGG. Just like with STR vs SNP. Local lab vs Othram. The only place they draw the conflation line is at the 2013 vs 2015 Elantra. MOO.

Sidenote: This is all especially interesting because she seems to concede to positive ID on Ridge Road but makes the argument that BKs car was not pointing towards Moscow in the Pullman video. How did he get to Ridge Road then?

MOO

Edit: Sorry for the barely legible grammatical mistakes this AM

 

[CKS]

Makes no sense. If a victim uncomfortably slept on a sheath with knife the 2 of them - knife and sheath belonged together. Sheath does go to the murder weapon.

So what if a found knife was found in bed and BK brought no knife? He still used it to kill 4 people.

If this sheath and knife belonged to a victim for protection of themselves, then DNA would be all over the snap. The victim's DNA and probably her friend's DNA.

The snap was single source DNA only addressed to BK's DNA match.

Juries do not need to write down a hundred "Maybe this or maybe that happened."

The clear DNA evidence shows plenty.

2 Cents

All MOO

I don't know how anyone could believe that a sheath laying under a victim for over 8 hours somehow ONLY has a few microscopic skin cells from one person. It's simply not believable in my opinion.

I just hope there is body cam video of LE finding/discovering the 'placed' sheath. I say placed b/c that's what the PCA says.

All MOO

 

[CKS]

Sounds like victim blaming because their house wasn't secure enough/they weren't discriminating/aware that they were being watched/stalked. I strongly think despite what's been publicly said that there WILL be evidence brought forward at trial of him having stalked one of more of the girls. I think that they are keeping it close to the vest for now.

All MOO

So what will you think when there isn't any stalking that comes up at the trial?

Why would BT say on record BK never stalked them but then say BK stalked him during the trial?

In my opinion that doesn't make any sense whatsoever

All MOO

 

[CKS]

I don't see the reasonable doubt, even without the DNA- his cell phone data, his car in the vicinity of the murder house- why not stargaze in Pullman??? I'm sure it's sufficiently dark there.

All MOO

Without the transfer DNA on a moveable object LE has literally NOTHING on BK. Nada.


All MOO

 

[MassGuy]

All MOO

I don't know how anyone could believe that a sheath laying under a victim for over 8 hours somehow ONLY has a few microscopic skin cells from one person. It's simply not believable in my opinion.

I just hope there is body cam video of LE finding/discovering the 'placed' sheath. I say placed b/c that's what the PCA says.

All MOO

I don’t know how anyone can expect the sheath to contain victim DNA.

First, we don’t even know if it made contact with the victim’s skin. Secondly, there’s no guarantee it would contain DNA even if it did.

One thing that increases the odds of DNA transfer, is the application of pressure on an object, you know, like the snap to a sheath.

Are you seriously suggesting that police or someone else randomly planted a knife sheath at the scene? That’s not just conspiracy theory territory- that’s verging on grounds for involuntary commitment.

From ChatGTP:

In forensic science, a shedder is someone who readily transfers their DNA onto objects through touch. Some people naturally shed more skin cells, oils, or sweat, making it easier to leave behind trace DNA.

Several factors influence shedding:

Biology: Some individuals naturally shed more skin cells than others.

Contact Duration & Pressure: Longer or firmer contact increases DNA transfer.

Skin Condition: Dry or flaky skin tends to shed more cells.

Environment: Humidity, friction, and surface type affect DNA retention.

Forensic experts consider shedding levels when analyzing touch DNA, as strong shedders are more likely to leave usable samples.

 

[mrjitty]

All MOO

I don't know how anyone could believe that a sheath laying under a victim for over 8 hours somehow ONLY has a few microscopic skin cells from one person. It's simply not believable in my opinion.

I just hope there is body cam video of LE finding/discovering the 'placed' sheath. I say placed b/c that's what the PCA says.

All MOO

Something many of us learned in the Delphi trial is blood from the victim can obliterate DNA evidence. I don't know if there was blood, but for instance, that is one obvious way that you might not recover as much as expected.

Another obvious point is if there is not DNA from the victim and residents, that is a good indicator it came from outside.

MOO

 

[MassGuy]

All MOO

Without the transfer DNA on a moveable object LE has literally NOTHING on BK. Nada.


All MOO

Is this a joke?

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Is this a joke?

IIUC, @CKS does not believe that BK or his vehicle was at the house. I don't totally understand why but they have been consistent with that take on the case.

 

[Tricia]

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[MassGuy]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>

We know that multiple warrants for specific time periods were executed on Amazon. We know that the Amazon warrants are damaging due to the defense's extensive efforts to have them thrown out.

This came from sources close to the investigation, and has never been walked back by NBC News, nor has it been refuted in any way. They are putting their credibility on the line, and it's not something they would recklessly broadcast without corroboration.

I think the odds of it being true are far more probable than not.

 

[CKS]

I don’t know how anyone can expect the sheath to contain victim DNA.

First, we don’t even know if it made contact with the victim’s skin. Secondly, there’s no guarantee it would contain DNA even if it did.

One thing that increases the odds of DNA transfer, is the application of pressure on an object, you know, like the snap to a sheath.

Are you seriously suggesting that police or someone else randomly planted a knife sheath at the scene? That’s not just conspiracy theory territory- that’s verging on grounds for involuntary commitment.

From ChatGTP:

In forensic science, a shedder is someone who readily transfers their DNA onto objects through touch. Some people naturally shed more skin cells, oils, or sweat, making it easier to leave behind trace DNA.

Several factors influence shedding:

Biology: Some individuals naturally shed more skin cells than others.

Contact Duration & Pressure: Longer or firmer contact increases DNA transfer.

Skin Condition: Dry or flaky skin tends to shed more cells.

Environment: Humidity, friction, and surface type affect DNA retention.

Forensic experts consider shedding levels when analyzing touch DNA, as strong shedders are more likely to leave usable samples.

All MOO

Isn't it something like humans shed 200,000,000 skin cells per day? Yet a sheath laying underneath a blanket and a victim only has what 20 skin cells ONLY in the button snap?

Is it possible? Maybe. But in my opinion it's nearly impossible unless the ONLY part of the sheath they actually tested was the button snap.


All MOO

 

[Jade]

All MOO

Without the transfer DNA on a moveable object LE has literally NOTHING on BK. Nada.


All MOO

Patience Grasshopper. We know nothing except what is in msm. All will be revealed at trail.

In fact we find at trials what we have talked about endlessly on WS isn’t even a major point because we didn’t know about all the real dirt the prosecution has.



All imo