Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[technicallymissing]

It was suggested to me by my spouse that the chunk of time after Libby's phone stopped moving circa 2:30 and when BG was seen by the witness driving down the road circa 4:00 was used to take pictures......creepy thought. Also that he made be copies of pictures for the families at no charge.

Creeps like this want trophies. Is it possible he could have put his phone in airplane mode and taken pictures which he then made copies of at home or work? Then pulverized the phone so that couldn't be traced?

MOO

I have to think (or hope at least) that LE would have found pictures of the girls in their search of RA’s house and and car. Really interesting thought, though. I always wondered about that and what his motive was because I think there has to be an ulterior one beyond just perceived kindness towards the families.

I think your thought re: trophies is possible and maybe at some point when he was beginning to be investigated he got rid of them… or perhaps he didn’t make copies but printing the photos for free was a part of the “undoing” process for him, trying to pretend the murders hadn’t taken place (like the way it’s been speculated Abby being clothed, the girls covered in sticks etc were).

 

[sunshineray]

I hear ya -- I'm trying to ascertain if he said it was HIS phone or just a phone? Curious is all

Are you meaning there was a possible deception there, from RA? Giving DD someone else's phone to write down as the phone he RA was using that day at the trails? Well I suppose that could be a possibility but why would he have done that?

 

[fred&edna]

Once again, I do wish additional skilled technicians would continue reviewing any and all cell/device/geo-fence etc reports in this case.

jmo

 

[Warwick7]

Can someone help with this point.

Have I heard this correctly, Libby’s phone drains of battery around 10pm but then came to life at around 4am? Is that correct and if so how?

My post from 10-18-24 below. It shows how a phone can reconnect to a tower.
The battery wasn't drained and the phone came back to life.

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[Cedars]

Can someone help with this point.

Have I heard this correctly, Libby’s phone drains of battery around 10pm but then came to life at around 4am? Is that correct and if so how?

The technology for analysing phones constantly 'improves'. The estimate for 10 pm drainage was based on older software that analysed the activity on the phone. The digital detective acquired the fancy new software in 2024 and re-analysed the same data, and it came up with (old) messages time-stamped 4 am.

He doesn't speculate why that shows up in this different software. I'd guess you'd need an expert in iphones to try to figure it out, but they don't normally participate in legal trials (it's all proprietory, too).

JMO

 

[CS2C]

Once again, I do wish additional skilled technicians would continue reviewing any and all cell/device/geo-fence etc reports in this case.

jmo

We don’t have have the technical data do we?
The reason I ask is because I am friends with someone who was in management at Vodafone in the UK and head of all the tech department. He is well versed in the tech side of everything cell related.

 

[flashy09]

I have not heard of this inmate statement, where can I see it. Trash is indexed at landfills.
It seems worthwhile to try and find the box cutter.

https://fox59.com/news/detective-testifies-richard-allen-confessed-more-than-60-times-to-delphi-murders/

"Reportedly guards and other inmates have also said they heard Allen confess unprompted.

ISP Lt. Jerry Holeman testified that an inmate claimed Allen admitted he threw away a boxcutter in a dumpster behind the CVS store where he worked in Delphi."

 

[Willow Knight]

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I'm looking forward to them discrediting the state's witnesses's testimony.

Why?

 

[Cedars]

My post from 10-18-24 below. It shows how a phone can reconnect to a tower.
The battery wasn't drained and the phone came back to life.

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Also, it was still clear from the 2024 analysis, that the phone hadn't moved after 2:30 pm.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

We don’t have have the technical data do we?
The reason I ask is because I am friends with someone who was in management at Vodafone in the UK and head of all the tech department. He is well versed in the tech side of everything cell related.

I think that technical phone testimony is still to come. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, not discussed in detail yet.

 

[sunshineray]

I have not heard of this inmate statement, where can I see it. Trash is indexed at landfills.
It seems worthwhile to try and find the box cutter.

After 6 years, the metals pile would have surely been turned over for recycle, no?

 

[technicallymissing]

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Eight: The Second Police Interview

We discuss the eighth day of Richard Allen's trial. We had a half-day of testimony from Lieutenant Jerry Holeman of the Indiana State Police. Support The...

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For anyone wondering why the RA interview videos weren't shown yesterday and who's decision that was, Baldwin asked about showing the videos, there was a "long" sidebar and it was then agreed they would play them next week. (Presumably because Saturday was a short session and at the time of the sidebar they were already an hour into the day- if they had played the videos that would have been about all there was time for on Saturday).

Shortly after the sidebar there was a break because Baldwin said that some of the questions he had planned he would not be able to use if they weren't showing the interviews that day, so he would need to go through them and Judge Gull stepped in to say "Well, I don't want you to rush that process, why don't we take a break so you have time to fully prepare for your cross-examination". Her manner was described as friendly towards Baldwin, telling him she didn't want him to feel like he had to rush, and court took a 15 minute break at that point.

source is about 50:20 in the above episode of TMS- I know some don't like TMS as a source and that is completely fine though I would note that Gull's interaction with Baldwin about taking a break was the first positive thing I have heard TMS say about her since the trial began. They have been very vocal with criticisms of her handling of this case.

 

[INfisherman]

gAre you meaning there was a possible deception there, from RA? Giving DD someone else's phone to write down as the phone he RA was using that day at the trails? Well I suppose that could be a possibility but why would he have done that?

If there was any evidence on RA’s cell phone that linked him to CSAM or anything to do with this crime or his location, he’s not going to give that freely, IMO. That phone he handed to DD could have been any other phone on the planet. RA just had to know the number & passcode.

With that being said, he could potentially run the risk of being found out if LE had checked with his carrier & done their due diligence to see if any logs proved either the phone wasn’t his or it was & proved other alibis didn’t check out. I’m not sure what all they can & cannot do with all that.

I hope that makes sense.

JMO

 

[Dhighsmith]

RA gave his phone identification number to Dullin, Dullin (might be misspelling his name), was tasked with tracking leads and providing the information to LE. It’s 100% LE’s fault they didn’t either read or follow up on his report and get the cell phone at that time. Sure, and like I said, I think RA probably did this, but this is just another failure by LE, what do you expect a murderer to keep evidence against themselves?

So, it seems the failure to properly identify RA

Will the second hand confessions be allowed in the trial? Like the inmate that heard RA say he used a boxcutter and threw it away at the CVS dumpster?

Source for details of confession to use of a boxcutter that was disposed of in CVS dumpster: Were the details connected with claims of a confession overheard by an inmate revealed in a Motion, which has now been withdrawn?

 

[Cedars]

I think that technical phone testimony is still to come. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, not discussed in detail yet.

But they didn't find his cell phone, so I doubt it.

IMO, LE only invest resources on an analysis if it can help them solve a crime.

For a few reasons: to not waste limited LE resources, to keep focussed on solving the crime instead of asking 'I wonder why' and just going down rabbitholes, and to protect the privacy of citizens where possible.

eg: the hair in Abby's hands was from a female relative of Libby. Do they suspect a female relative of Libby? No. So why investigate further?

Do they need to know why Libby's phone apparently downloaded text messages at 4 am? No, it will not solve the crime, it will not help convict their suspect.

They invested all their resources into the video.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

But they didn't find his cell phone, so I doubt it.

IMO, LE only invest resources on an analysis if it can help them solve a crime.

For a few reasons: to not waste limited LE resources, to keep focussed on solving the crime instead of asking 'I wonder why' and going down rabbitholes, to protect the privacy of citizens where possible.

eg: the hair in Abby's hands was from a female relative of Libby. Do they suspect a female relative of Libby? No. So why investigate further?

Do they need to know why Libby's phone apparently downloaded text messages at 4 am. No, it will not solve the crime, it will not help convict their suspect.

JMO

If his phone is not found on the tower dump, yet he said he was there using it, he lied. Either the phone he gave DD was not the actual one he said he was using or he never had any phone on the trails that day. A lie either way, so important. JMO

Am I remembering one of the teen girl's testimony correctly or getting it confused with SC's testimony. Did then-teen BV testify when passing RA near the Freedom Bridge, BG was walking with purpose and had his hands in his pockets? She never said she saw him on his phone, correct? RA said he was walking by them while watching his stock ticker, so phone out in hand.

 

[Boxer]

After 6 years, the metals pile would have surely been turned over for recycle, no?

Thinking straight landfill - but don't know how Delphi's dumpster trash is dealt with.

 

[Dhighsmith]

We don’t have have the technical data do we?
The reason I ask is because I am friends with someone who was in management at Vodafone in the UK and head of all the tech department. He is well versed in the tech side of everything cell related.

I just heard of Vodafone during Karen Read trial, supposedly experts in cell phones.

I’m a Tech idiot that’s why I’m always interested in that area of evidence, maybe I can one day prevent Hackers from compromising my iPhone.

 

[Boxer]

But they didn't find his cell phone, so I doubt it.

IMO, LE only invest resources on an analysis if it can help them solve a crime.

For a few reasons: to not waste limited LE resources, to keep focussed on solving the crime instead of asking 'I wonder why' and just going down rabbitholes, and to protect the privacy of citizens where possible.

eg: the hair in Abby's hands was from a female relative of Libby. Do they suspect a female relative of Libby? No. So why investigate further?

Do they need to know why Libby's phone apparently downloaded text messages at 4 am? No, it will not solve the crime, it will not help convict their suspect.

They invested all their resources into the video.

JMO

The tower and carrier data still can be a factor if not dumped after 5 yearsby the companies.

 

[rez125]

The state is saving the best for last.

There is a reason the defense seems to only be focusing on an appeal at this point. Imo.

What do you mean they're only focusing on an appeal?

This is normal by the way.

But I don't see how they're not fiercely protecting their client's innocence through this trial?