Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[shonyakay]

How many LE screw ups like not collecting the sticks for instance might it take for the jury to want to toss this case and RA out? I see points for and against both sides. It takes one juror to not back down in their conviction if they won’t go for guilty. Given how we debate here and we don’t see or hear what they do I imagine the jury room discussions will be quite interesting. Mooo

Testimony explained that it is hard to locate and extract DNA off of branches.

 

[BUF]

Sure would like to know where he disposed of his bloody muddy clothes….gloves.

I don’t believe he washed his clothes. What about his shoes?

 

[Bergmann]

How many LE screw ups like not collecting the sticks for instance might it take for the jury to want to toss this case and RA out? I see points for and against both sides. It takes one juror to not back down in their conviction if they won’t go for guilty. Given how we debate here and we don’t see or hear what they do I imagine the jury room discussions will be quite interesting. Mooo

Quite. I never try to predict how a jury will conclude and certainly don’t try to project my speculation or conclusions onto a jury either, it’s foolish IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Sure would like to know where he disposed of his bloody muddy clothes….gloves.

I don’t believe he washed his clothes. What about his shoes?

Maybe in the dumpster at the CVS parking lot. In one of his confessions (I posted up thread), he claimed to have disposed of the murder weapon there. No reason not to dispose of his clothing at the same time.

 

[ClearAhead]

How many LE screw ups like not collecting the sticks for instance might it take for the jury to want to toss this case and RA out? I see points for and against both sides. It takes one juror to not back down in their conviction if they won’t go for guilty. Given how we debate here and we don’t see or hear what they do I imagine the jury room discussions will be quite interesting. Mooo

IIRC Instructions to the Jury the first day was they’re allowed to take notes but not discuss the trial amongst themselves until deliberation, after the trial has ended.

 

[BUF]

Maybe in the dumpster at the CVS parking lot. In one of his confessions (I posted up thread), he claimed to have disposed of the murder weapon there. No reason not to dispose of his clothing at the same time.

Think about how brazen that is

 

[shonyakay]

Think about how brazen that is

No more brazen then say abducting two teen girls' off a bridge at gunpoint in the middle of broad daylight.

 

[ClearAhead]

Maybe in the dumpster at the CVS parking lot. In one of his confessions (I posted up thread), he claimed to have disposed of the murder weapon there. No reason not to dispose of his clothing at the same time.

Makes sense to me. He would know exactly when the CVS dumpter got emptied and could time his tossing accordingly, eliminating the risk somebody might discover incriminating items in trash elsewhere. JMO

 

[WildHuncher]

sorry, that is not a pistol IMO. When someone puts a pistol in their pocket, they put the barrel into the pocket first and the butt last, so their hand can grip the pistol butt and pull the firearm from the pocket ready to use. In the photo of BG, the butt went first and the barrel last. Nobody pocket-carries like that, so whatever is in that pocket, it is not a pistol. JMO

Unlucky that it looks like a Sig Sauer P226, then. Or it would be if it were part of the prosecution case.

Gee! He COULD have been even unluckier than he is.

 

[MassGuy]

Makes sense to me. He would know exactly when the CVS dumpter got emptied and could time his tossing accordingly, eliminating the risk somebody might discover incriminating items in trash elsewhere. JMO

And he’d be comfortable using it. I always used the same one back in high school when I needed to dispose of evidence of parties I threw.

 

[Betty P]

Forcing them to undress is SA in and of itself but yes, we maybe only know what he didn't do. We don't know what he may have done. Touching. Staring. So many ways to violate a person. Barely teenaged girls.

We'll never know what DNA the creek may have destroyed either.

JMO

Violent child abusers are usually psychopaths. They tend to engage in very deviant sexual practices.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213412000695

 

[EllaMinnowP]

IIRC Instructions to the Jury the first day was they’re allowed to take notes but not discuss the trial amongst themselves until deliberation, after the trial has ended.

_Instructions of Court Pursuant to Criminal Rule and Jury Rule 20 of the Indiana Supreme Court of the State of Indiana.pdf

drive.google.com

Page 12 says they can discuss the evidence amongst themselves during recesses, provided all jurors are present for the discussion, and so long as the conversations take place in the jury room.

MOO

 

[BUF]

Makes sense to me. He would know exactly when the CVS dumpter got emptied and could time his tossing accordingly, eliminating the risk somebody might discover incriminating items in trash elsewhere. JMO

Good point!

So he self reports that he was there that day and he disposed of evidence at the dumpster he worked at.

 

[Megnut]

Makes sense to me. He would know exactly when the CVS dumpter got emptied and could time his tossing accordingly, eliminating the risk somebody might discover incriminating items in trash elsewhere. JMO

And isn't the CVS like a stone's toss from the police station, no less?

Talk about brazen. And in plain sight.

JMO

 

[susane7]

Glad to see the testimony from the DNA expert and put that hair to rest (hopefully..). As many of us suspected, there isn't usable DNA in this case. The killer managed to commit the crime without leaving usable DNA.

 

[sunshineray]

I'm saying the entire video has been played with. The BG is much further away from where the girls were when AW was seen running at the end of the bridge. Seconds later is when the audio that's been described as "down the hill" was "heard".

How did he get across the bridge so quickly to catch up to them?

Did he sprint across it? All I've heard is it's a trecherous bridge and you've gotta look down when moving across it.

I'm sorry, I can't agree with what your questions are implying because there's absolutely no evidence that's been delivered in testimony that put's anyone but BG on that bridge with the girl's.

LE tech did not "play with" the video's depth perception to make it seem he was the one (when he wasn't) speaking those words to the girls and then kidnapping those girls down the hill to their deaths. There's been absolutely no evidence of that tech deception in testimony. BG was close enough to Abby to make her bolt even though it was her first time on that dangerous bridge. That's my opinion. That's what's the evidence presented has convinced me of.

All just my opinion. We've never even seen the entire original video nor the enhanced one to judge it ourselves, with our own eyes. I rely on the testimony of LE's tech investigators. I don't believe anything but honest work was done to enhancing that video to try and catch a child murderer...to protect and serve. MHO

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Think about how brazen that is

He could have had an empty trash bag in his trunk, remove jacket and shoes put in trash bag possibly pants too they look baggy he could have had shorts or pants underneath then drive home and just leave them in his trunk. Then just drop it in the dumpster next time he works. Hiding in plain sight. This only works if his wife isn't there when he gets home. She wouldn't know for sure what he wore that day, if she wasn't with him the whole day. If only his tip wasn't overlooked for so long there could be surveillance cameras, ring cameras so many things. But those most likely don't exist after all this time. MOO.

 

[Betty P]

How many LE screw ups like not collecting the sticks for instance might it take for the jury to want to toss this case and RA out? I see points for and against both sides. It takes one juror to not back down in their conviction if they won’t go for guilty. Given how we debate here and we don’t see or hear what they do I imagine the jury room discussions will be quite interesting. Mooo

JMO, the LE mistakes will be outweighed by the dishonesty and trickery of the DT.

 

[Yuletide]

So Abby was found in Libby’s clothes. Libby was found nude. The purpose of that I guess will forever remain in the mind of a twisted murderer.

 

[cbeagle]

Glad to see the testimony from the DNA expert and put that hair to rest (hopefully..). As many of us suspected, there isn't usable DNA in this case. The killer managed to commit the crime without leaving usable DNA.

So the old statement of (paraphrased) of "we have DNA, it's just not what you think" must have referred to the hair that was family DNA.